President Trump and US politics catchall

[robmatic]

On Fox News and other pro-Trump outlets, there have been unprecedented attacks on the Military Leadership in the last few days and I've read opinions that view this as part of an attempt to drive a wedge between the rank-and-file and Command. The feeling is that the January 6th could have succeeded but that the Generals failed to support it. By undermining their authority and appealing to the other ranks, the feeling is that the anticipated support from the Military would be more likely to materialise. General Flynn's comments about the Myanmar coup would seem to support this.

Of course this all could be highly fanciful rubbish, but it does seem that a lot of the attendees of Trump's rally believe it.

The US military's racial makeup tends less white than the general US population, especially among the lower ranks, so it's weird that Trumpists assume that the military would be on their side.

[Rinkals]

Yes.

I'm not sure that logic is the strong suit of most Trump supporters, though.

When rally goers speak of 'civil war', they clearly feel that they have the support of both the general population and the military rank and file.

I think the general perception is that Biden is only President through the intervention of the Washington Elite and that Trump won "over 80% of the vote" (according to one interviewee).

At what point does Trump's whipping up of his supporters become treason?

I can honestly see a situation where there is an attempt on Biden's or Pelosi's life in the next few months and, should that happen, it would be hard to absolve Donald J. Trump.

[Rinkals]

On the tax related charges against Trump Org. it does seem as though this may be a damp squib.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

“We asked, ‘Is there anything else?’” Fischetti told POLITICO. “They said, ‘No.’”

“It’s crazy that that’s all they had,” he added.

...

“It’s like the Shakespeare play Much Ado About Nothing,” Fischetti added. “This is so small that I can’t believe I’m going to have to try a case like this.”

[fishfoodie]

On the tax related charges against Trump Org. it does seem as though this may be a damp squib.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

“We asked, ‘Is there anything else?’” Fischetti told POLITICO. “They said, ‘No.’”

“It’s crazy that that’s all they had,” he added.

...

“It’s like the Shakespeare play Much Ado About Nothing,” Fischetti added. “This is so small that I can’t believe I’m going to have to try a case like this.”

You're taking the opinion of the shitgibbons lawyer as accurate & factual ????

[Rinkals]

I'm not so sure.

What I do know is that they'd given Trump's lawyers until yesterday to respond to the charges, so I'd be quite surprised if they didn't tell them what the charges were.

I could be wrong, though.

[GogLais]

Granted I don't follow domestic US news closely but things seem far quieter than I would expect them to be. No storming of state capitols or terrorist attacks for example. That I know of anyway. What should I make of this?

It's difficult to separate the conspiracy theories from what we see from interviews of punters at Trump's Ohio rally.

At the heart of a conspiracy theory, there is a plan. The conspirators have an objective, and they work together to manipulate events to further that objective.

The weakness in a lot of conspiracy theories is that the number of people who would be required to maintain absolute silence makes them implausible.

In this case, I don't think there is any planned and coordinated action; rather, I think there is a general objective - return Trump to the Presidency in August - and there are disparate groups working separately to influence events which would make it easier for that to happen.

On Fox News and other pro-Trump outlets, there have been unprecedented attacks on the Military Leadership in the last few days and I've read opinions that view this as part of an attempt to drive a wedge between the rank-and-file and Command. The feeling is that the January 6th could have succeeded but that the Generals failed to support it. By undermining their authority and appealing to the other ranks, the feeling is that the anticipated support from the Military would be more likely to materialise. General Flynn's comments about the Myanmar coup would seem to support this.

Of course this all could be highly fanciful rubbish, but it does seem that a lot of the attendees of Trump's rally believe it.

Thanks for this.

[fishfoodie]

I'm not so sure.

What I do know is that they'd given Trump's lawyers until yesterday to respond to the charges, so I'd be quite surprised if they didn't tell them what the charges were.

I could be wrong, though.

This round is just about driving a wedge between the shitgibbon; & someone who knows where the bodies are. The charges are just big enough to make someone like Weisselberg contemplate spend the rest of his life in prison; & his two sons are also in the frame.

Right now he's still using their lawyer; so he hasn't made a deal; but there's another guy in play, who worked for him, & actually did the leg work, & signed the forms. These guys have probably gotten all kinds of promises from the loser; but they know the true value of his promises.

They can be brave now; but lets see if they are prepared to go into court & perjure themselves; on the strength of a promise from a pathological liar, to look after them.

[Kiwias]

This bloke Glenn Kirschner offers a decent explanation why this first indictment seems somewhat minor and trivial.

[convoluted]

In another RICO update; the SDNY has warned the Trump Org; that it's going to proceed against; "The Organization" !, probably within a week.

So they have a series of criminal acts; from the hush payments, to the bank valuations, to insurance valuations; & un-taxed BIK stuff for senior officers. All of these together show the Org as a criminal enterprise over decades.

and then the kicker .... the point being made by an ex-senior DA, is that no Bank will have anything to do with a company that is; not just under investigation; but under indictment, & in those circumstances; the banks would all call in their loans; & the Turd org, would go into bankruptcy immediately !

The SDNY has given up looking for heads; & now their just going to burn the Organization to the ground, & fish around in the debris for people to throw in jail; & be satisfied with removing a cancer from their State.

Yay !!!!!!!

THIS TIME (attempt #76 to take down Trump) is surely it.
THIS TIME the noose is surely tightening.
THIS TIME the walls are surely closing in on Trump.

Dear God please please please please let it be THIS TIME.
75 previous times we gullible morons have fallen for the anti-Trump crap from the MSM.
75 previous times the MSM have treated us with absolute contempt by feeding total crap into our pea brains.
75 previous times all my pro-Trump relatives and friends have ended up cackling at me for my buffoonish servitude to the MSM.

So please let it be this time.

Please, I beg you.

[Zig]

Even South Africa can successfully prosecute corrupt former Presidents.

[Rinkals]

Spoiler

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In another RICO update; the SDNY has warned the Trump Org; that it's going to proceed against; "The Organization" !, probably within a week.

So they have a series of criminal acts; from the hush payments, to the bank valuations, to insurance valuations; & un-taxed BIK stuff for senior officers. All of these together show the Org as a criminal enterprise over decades.

and then the kicker .... the point being made by an ex-senior DA, is that no Bank will have anything to do with a company that is; not just under investigation; but under indictment, & in those circumstances; the banks would all call in their loans; & the Turd org, would go into bankruptcy immediately !

The SDNY has given up looking for heads; & now their just going to burn the Organization to the ground, & fish around in the debris for people to throw in jail; & be satisfied with removing a cancer from their State.

Yay !!!!!!!

THIS TIME (attempt #76 to take down Trump) is surely it.
THIS TIME the noose is surely tightening.
THIS TIME the walls are surely closing in on Trump.

Dear God please please please please let it be THIS TIME.
75 previous times we gullible morons have fallen for the anti-Trump crap from the MSM.
75 previous times the MSM have treated us with absolute contempt by feeding total crap into our pea brains.
75 previous times all my pro-Trump relatives and friends have ended up cackling at me for my buffoonish servitude to the MSM.

So please let it be this time.

Please, I beg you.

Is the other board down?

I thought we were mostly adults here.

[Uncle fester]

Has only ever posted in this thread too.
Ignore list methinks.

[Grandpa]

Yay !!!!!!!

THIS TIME (attempt #76 to overturn election in favour of Trump) is surely it.
THIS TIME the noose is surely tightening.
THIS TIME the walls are surely closing in on this fraud.

Dear God please please please please let it be THIS TIME.
75 previous times we gullible morons have fallen for the pro-Trump crap from... Trump... oh and Fox.. but even they have mostly given up.. so try OAN.
75 previous times Trump has treated us with absolute contempt by feeding total crap into anyone who cares...
75 previous times all my pro-Trump relatives and friends... wait... I don't know any morons...

So please let it be this time.

Please, I beg you.

Keep up the good work...

[Sandstorm]

Has only ever posted in this thread too.
Ignore list methinks.

Its Sneaker

[Ali Cadoo]

Has only ever posted in this thread too.
Ignore list methinks.

Its Sneaker

I never thought that silly wanker would show his face again after going full QAnon...

[fishfoodie]

WSJ saying that Weisselberg does the pimp-walk tomorrow.

[Hal Jordan]

Donald Rumsfeld is dead.

[JM2K6]

Has only ever posted in this thread too.
Ignore list methinks.

Its Sneaker

I never thought that silly wanker would show his face again after going full QAnon...

He writes nothing like Seneca

[Slick]

Donald Rumsfeld is dead.

Is that a known known?

Oh well

[Gumboot]

The US justice department is halting all federal executions after a historic use of capital punishment by the Trump administration, which carried out 13 executions in six months.

The attorney general, Merrick Garland, ordered a temporary pause on Thursday, saying he was imposing a moratorium on federal executions while the justice department reviews its capital punishment policies and procedures.

“The Department of Justice must ensure that everyone in the federal criminal justice system is not only afforded the rights guaranteed by the constitution and laws of the United States, but is also treated fairly and humanely,” Garland said. “That obligation has special force in capital cases.”

[Insane_Homer]

[Hal Jordan]

Does he squeal or will he get a chat from Tom Hagen about Roman plotters?

[fishfoodie]

Does he squeal or will he get a chat from Tom Hagen about Roman plotters?

One of interesting points in the indictment; is an "Unindicted Co-conspirator", who a lot of the media are speculating is Jeffrey McConney, the Orgs Controller, who carried out Weisselberg's instructions, around the various tax fiddles.

It makes sense as; he was interviewed as well; & if Weisselberg isn't co-operating, then he'd be the next most valuable witness.

[fishfoodie]

The destruction of Democracy in the US is almost complete.

The conservation majority in the Supreme Court , upheld the racist voting laws passed, by Arizona; & so green lit similar laws across the Southern states.

The Democrats need to get off their arses, immediately, & remove the filibuster, & restructure the court, to stop the complete politicization of the Court. They're being taken for mugs by the GOP, who aren't interested in cooperation, & doing whats best for the country.

[Rinkals]

From the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lberg.html

'This type of case is often settled civilly,' Goldman, who acted as a prosecutor for Trump's January 2020 impeachment, explained: 'If the Trump Organization wanted to, my guess is they could have engaged in good faith negotiations to try to settle this case with a fine and perhaps avoid a guilty plea or a conviction.

'They chose to fight this. That says something. It's typical of Donald Trump. But I am a little surprised that this ultimately ended, based on these allegations, in a criminal charge rather than a settlement.'

'They've already taken a run at Allen Weisselberg. They have also approached Allen Weisselberg, I am certain, and said, "This is what we have. We would like you to cooperate." Allen Weisselberg said, "Thanks but no thanks, I'm not going to cooperate. I'll take my chances,"' Goldman theorized.

'He's not facing that much jail time. And I don't think there's any more pressure to add to him based on the fact that he was in handcuffs today. He knew that was coming. He made that conscious decision to get arrested and get indicted rather than cooperate.

This does support the narrative that this is a vendetta against Trump rather than evidence of actual wrong doing.

The risk is that it doesn't actually achieve anything, which then weakens the prospect of other, more serious charges being successful.

There is a possibility that they can prove that the accounting was fraudulent, which would give the banks reason to call in their loans and force the Trump Org to the wall, but it might be more in the banks' interests to allow them to keep trading. Certainly the Russians are not predisposed to allow the State to remove Trump as a threat: I think they would want to keep him holding rallies and undermining American democracy, so they'll probably continue to fund him.

[Hal Jordan]

The destruction of Democracy in the US is almost complete.

The conservation majority in the Supreme Court , upheld the racist voting laws passed, by Arizona; & so green lit similar laws across the Southern states.

The Democrats need to get off their arses, immediately, & remove the filibuster, & restructure the court, to stop the complete politicization of the Court. They're being taken for mugs by the GOP, who aren't interested in cooperation, & doing whats best for the country.

Two things are certain in US politics:-

1). The Republicans will always ram through the legislation and judicial appointments of their choice irrespective of whether they have a majority or not.
2). The Democrats will always fail to do so due to their baffling belief in the myth of bipartisan cooperation in the face of all the evidence, and an inability to get in the gutter and fight dirty.

[convoluted]

[Rinkals]

I read this piece some time ago (it's over a year old).

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/tinker ... ource=copy

It suggests that Trump has been an FBI informant which is why he has managed to get away with so much for so long (and possibly why his tax returns remain secret).

And then, something miraculous happened. On 4 November 1986, Scarfo and eleven of his associates were indicted on charges that included loan sharking, extortion and conducting an illegal gambling business in a racketeering conspiracy. Prosecutors had tried for years to take down Little Nicky. And now, after all that time, they finally had their evidence. Not only that, but the investigation into Trump? It went away. Poof—as if it never existed.

...

The only way to know for sure if Donald John Trump is a Confidential Informant is if he admits it himself (unlikely), or if law enforcement comes forward (illegal). But the circumstantial evidence is compelling. The pattern is: 1) Trump deals with mobsters as usual; 2) Law enforcement begins investigating Trump; 3) Mobsters suddenly get busted, while 4) investigation into Trump is scuttled. This happened three times that we know about. I’m not counting the first known instance of Trump providing information to prosecutors, concerning Cody and concrete, in the late 70s.

I can conceive of no scenario in which Trump was not a CI, and a top echelon one at that. He’s avoided indictment too many times. No one is that lucky.

Or, put another way: How can someone that lucky manage to run a fucking casino into the ground?

Does this sound plausible?

[TB63]

Trump has taken on a new press secretary. If you click on the link in the tweet she posted and read down..

Though there has never been any substantial evidence of voter fraud that would have overturned Trump’s 2020 defeat as Trump has claimed, supporters in the crowd maintained that “Trump won.”

[Rinkals]

Trump has taken on a new press secretary. If you click on the link in the tweet she posted and read down..

Though there has never been any substantial evidence of voter fraud that would have overturned Trump’s 2020 defeat as Trump has claimed, supporters in the crowd maintained that “Trump won.”

I'm genuinely interested to see what effect a potential super-spreader event like this has.

[Edit]
I see what you mean. She either didn't read the article, or she's trusting that Trump's followers are too stupid to follow the link.

[TB63]

She's following Trump, only reads headlines..

[Rinkals]

I've sort of viewed Trump as an American Jacob Zuma.

The good news is that Zuma is behind bars this morning.

[TB63]

Now hes going to sue Facebook, Twitter and Google for banning him! In Florida, even though theyre based in California and are private companies and can ban who they want..

Followed rapidly for a grift for 6 timrs normal donation to cover his legal costs..

[Saint]

Now hes going to sue Facebook, Twitter and Google for banning him! In Florida, even though theyre based in California and are private companies and can ban who they want..

Followed rapidly for a grift for 6 timrs normal donation to cover his legal costs..

It's a neat way to scam some cash - file a large lawsuit that appeals to his ill-educated base, raise a load of cash to "fund" it, and rely on the courts to throw it out very early on before much of the money has been spent.

Law enforcement might want to take a look at it as a possible case of obtaining money through deception?

[Biffer]

Now hes going to sue Facebook, Twitter and Google for banning him! In Florida, even though theyre based in California and are private companies and can ban who they want..

Followed rapidly for a grift for 6 timrs normal donation to cover his legal costs..

It's a neat way to scam some cash - file a large lawsuit that appeals to his ill-educated base, raise a load of cash to "fund" it, and rely on the courts to throw it out very early on before much of the money has been spent.

Law enforcement might want to take a look at it as a possible case of obtaining money through deception?

And then refuse to pay your lawyers anyway.

[convoluted]

Giulianis apartment has been raided in connection with the Ukraine investigation.

What’s happening with all Trumps lawsuits?

The wheels of Justice grind slowly; but they grind very fine !

Cohen has spent hours with the SDNY DAs, & has passed over a bunch of documents.

Weisleberg (sp?), his, 'fixer', is under intense focus, & the SDNY has questioned his ex-DIL, & son; & made it abundantly clear, that if he doesn't cooperate; they've enough evidence to sling his son in prison for a few years.

The defamation case by the woman who accused him of rape; & who kept the dress with the DNA; has resumed progress; now he can't hide behind being POTUS; & the next logical step is a demand for his DNA.

The Tax records are with the Congress, & he lost that case too; so his record of losing every case is going the same direction of all his cases against the legitimate election.

There's also the minor matter of him interfering in the election in Georgia, & doing so on tape, & in the way that a five year old can tell what was happening !

All of these are State charges; so there's no pardon incoming; even if the GOP were in power !

[Edit] Oh, and then there must be fifty of these lawsuits; where the shitgibbon, welched on debts his campaign owed to cities around the country; for his fluffer events.

Wowee.
So they got him then !!! Details please.

Nailed, just like that other presidential candidate that so many of youse were touting on TOF:



Michael Avenatti weeps as he’s sentenced to 30 months for Nike extortion attempt
Disgraced lawyer was sentenced to 30 months over the $25 million blackmail sche

[fishfoodie]

There's something wonderfully ironic about the shitgibbon getting his comeuppance because of a divorced woman.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-famil ... indictment

Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s longtime chief financial officer, has always been key to unlocking the finances of the Trump family business. For years, prosecutors have been looking for documents that would show what exiled insiders like Trump’s ex-consigliere Michael Cohen have claimed: that the Trump Organization was fudging numbers and dodging taxes.

What investigators didn’t know was that the proof was in the hands of Jennifer Weisselberg, the woman once married to Barry Weisselberg, the son of Allen Weisselberg. And it wasn’t until November 2020 that city and state investigators connected with her to acquire the evidence.

...

The top finance executive at the Trump Organization was indicted for dodging taxes by receiving pay in unaccounted corporate perks. Among them: redirecting his salary to cover tuition payments for his grandkids.

As prosecutors would discover, Barry Weisselberg explained it all in sworn testimony he made during a deposition in his divorce case in August 2018.

Grandpa Weisselberg paid more than $50,000 a year for each of the two kids to attend a top-rated private academy, the Columbia Grammar and Preparatory School. He’d been doing it for at least six years, Barry Weisselberg told his wife’s lawyer, Clifford Petroske.

New York investigators would later ask Jennifer Weisselberg about that financial arrangement, according to two people in the room. They said prosecutors’ eyes widened when she explained that Trump himself would sign a check that she would hand deliver to the school.

I would have thought the lying sack of shit had the wit to not sign the checks himself; but I suppose, after years of getting away with this shit; his ego didn't allow for the possibility of him getting caught.

But now signing the checks himself will make it a lot harder to claim he knew nothing about the scheme; & all this is from sworn evidence in a divorce; & it'll be impossible for the Weisselberg's to undo those statements; & now Grandpa is facing 15 years for the top count on the charge sheet.

[convoluted]

^^^ I'm uplifted by your gushing enthusiasm for this latest anti-Trump bombshell fishfoodie, but even CNN isn't giving it any attention.

Also, I'm scared because I too have received tax-free perks at work, as indeed have you yourself, I am sure ...

I'm terrified that I too will be escorted to jail by a phalanx of agents as the cameras whirr because, Confession, when I worked in the public sector, at morning tea I always got tax-free gingernuts to dip into my tax-free cup of tea

[TB63]

So, if you're going to believe a word the orange shitgibbon says, the drug Lords were going to give up importing drugs to their biggest market (Trump Jr.)..

Then you get the downright mind boggling ridiculous. .
Promoting to the uneducated rednecks, that the Covid vax will be forced upon people!

[Raggs]

I wonder if Trump believes it. I suspect he does. I'm certain his followers do.