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A volcano responsible for the biggest eruption to rock earth in the last 70,000 years is just 2400km away (Tasmanian newspaper report). And scientists have just raised its alert level.

It was responsible for the biggest eruption on earth in the last 5000 years – and now, New Zealand’s Taupo “supervolcano” is again showing increased signs of “volcanic unrest”.

The Volcanic Alert Level for the volcano – located just 2400km from Tasmania – was raised to Volcanic Alert Level 1 for the first time yesterday, making headlines across the globe.

The alert sparked fears of a potential eruption within a nation still scarred from the devastating White Island eruption in 2019, which killed 22 people and left 25 with horrific injuries.

Adding to the anxiety is the fact that when Taupo last blew in around the year 232AD, it was the biggest eruption on earth in the last 5000 years, while an even bigger supereruption 26,000 years ago was the most powerful eruption to rock the earth in the last 70,000 years.

But just how likely is a major eruption – and what would happen if such a disaster were to unfold?

What’s happening?

The alert level was raised after 700 earthquakes were recorded in the area since May, indicating “volcanic unrest is occurring”.

While most of those were too small to feel, the largest was a 4.5-magnitude quake.

According to GeoNet, which supplies geological hazard information for New Zealand, volcanic unrest is “when magma or magma-heated hot water and steam forces its way through the ground beneath a volcano, producing earthquakes, ground movement and changes in hydrothermal systems”.

It noted that there have been 17 previous episodes of unrest over the past 150 years at Taupō volcano, and “the earthquakes and deformation could continue for the coming weeks or months”.

Should we be worried?

In a word, no.

GeoNet states that the chance of an eruption at Taupo “remains very low in any one year”, even in the face of increased activity.

Volcanologist Rebecca Carey from the University of Tasmania told news.com.au there was no need to panic at the moment.

“Taupo volcano is a volcano that’s quite active, and it’s what we call a caldera volcano – it goes through phases of small eruptions that are followed by large eruptions on timescales of tens of thousands of years, and some of the repose periods between those events can be thousands to tens of thousands of years,” she said.

“It had been at alert level zero, but because it’s a volcano, there’s magma underneath, and as magma moves around magma reservoirs, and also through the earth’s crust, it cracks surrounding rocks.

“The alert level has been increased to one, which just represents slightly elevated levels of earthquakes due to that rock cracking process as magma moves around.”

She stressed that there were no other signs of unrest, such as elevated temperature levels in the lake as well as volcanic gases, which could indicate an eruption is brewing.

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“Larger eruptions only happen every hundred thousand years or so, and the last really violent one was only 2000 years ago, so in terms of what we’d be expecting from Taupo in the next 10,000 years or so, we’d expect more smaller-volume, low intensity eruptions rather than another caldera supereruption,” Dr Carey added.

“We can’t be absolutely sure, because magma is produced at different rates, depending on how plates are moving in the earth’s crust, but in order to erupt with a really high volume of magma, supervolcano eruptions need really long storage times for magma generated in the crust.

“New Zealand has some of the best-monitored volcanoes globally, and this change in alert level is probably triggering more monitoring approaches, for example, site surveys, temperature surveys and gas surveys. But the alert level has not been heightened to a level that would trigger anything more than that.”

Memories of White Bay tragedy

While the White Bay tragedy is still fresh in the minds of New Zealanders, Dr Carey stressed that White Island and Taupo were two very different volcanoes with radically different behavioural patterns.

“With White Island, it’s very common to get explosions with very little warning, but with caldera volcanoes (like Taupo), because of the amount of magma stored at depth, we would expect to see a range of heightened indicators before an eruption,” she said.

“They are completely different so we shouldn’t expect the same styles of activities.”

What would a supereruption look like?

Dr Carey said “big, violent” supereruptions like the one from Taupo 26,000 years ago needed timescales of “hundreds of thousands of years” to form.

She said that if and when a supereruption at Taupo did occur, Australia would likely be impacted by plumes of ash travelling across the ocean, which could see planes grounded.

Sadly, in New Zealand it would be a completely different story, with most of the North Island “blanketed in ash” and causing significant economic and social impacts, although there would likely be enough warning to evacuate nearby residents as the alert level rose.

“The important message is that this is very characteristic for Taupo – it has happened in the past, most recently in 2018,” she said.

“At this point in time, monitoring systems are so sophisticated at picking up lots of earthquake events so there’s nothing really alarming about this earthquake unrest.”

She added that a major eruption would not be due for thousands of years, meaning nobody alive today need be concerned about a major Taupo incident.
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Several decades back, my youngest sister was talking to a volcanologist about Taupo.
He figured that at absolute most there would be three days warning to evacuate should it be ready to blow.
"Evacuate Taupo town? ... Rotorua too?" she asked.
"No, New Zealand" he replied.
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convoluted wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:43 am Several decades back, my youngest sister was talking to a volcanologist about Taupo.
He figured that at absolute most there would be three days warning to evacuate should it be ready to blow.
"Evacuate Taupo town? ... Rotorua too?" she asked.
"No, New Zealand" he replied.
Where would they all go? Tasmania?

Wonder if possible in 3 days...
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Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:02 am
convoluted wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:43 am Several decades back, my youngest sister was talking to a volcanologist about Taupo.
He figured that at absolute most there would be three days warning to evacuate should it be ready to blow.
"Evacuate Taupo town? ... Rotorua too?" she asked.
"No, New Zealand" he replied.
Where would they all go? Tasmania?

Wonder if possible in 3 days...
Get the population airlifted out quick to Yellowstone National Park. plenty of room and very sa…….oh hold on.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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The super volcano is under the lake isn't it?
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PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:06 am
Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:02 am
convoluted wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:43 am Several decades back, my youngest sister was talking to a volcanologist about Taupo.
He figured that at absolute most there would be three days warning to evacuate should it be ready to blow.
"Evacuate Taupo town? ... Rotorua too?" she asked.
"No, New Zealand" he replied.
Where would they all go? Tasmania?

Wonder if possible in 3 days...
Get the population airlifted out quick to Yellowstone National Park. plenty of room and very sa…….oh hold on.
Actually a smart idea... what are the chances of two super volcanoes going up at once? :grin:
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Kawazaki wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:18 pm The super volcano is under the lake isn't it?
Yes, the lake is the old caldera.....
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Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:27 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:06 am
Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:02 am

Where would they all go? Tasmania?

Wonder if possible in 3 days...
Get the population airlifted out quick to Yellowstone National Park. plenty of room and very sa…….oh hold on.
Actually a smart idea... what are the chances of two super volcanoes going up at once? :grin:

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Stephen Fry and guests talk about Tsutomu Yamaguchi who amazingly survived both atomic bomb attacks on Japan during World War II. Somehow he managed to get a train from Hiroshima back home to Nagasaki, but this was where the second bombing took place.”
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:05 pm
Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:27 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:06 am
Get the population airlifted out quick to Yellowstone National Park. plenty of room and very sa…….oh hold on.
Actually a smart idea... what are the chances of two super volcanoes going up at once? :grin:

“The Unluckiest Man in the World. QI

Stephen Fry and guests talk about Tsutomu Yamaguchi who amazingly survived both atomic bomb attacks on Japan during World War II. Somehow he managed to get a train from Hiroshima back home to Nagasaki, but this was where the second bombing took place.”
Hey... at least he survived!
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Kawazaki wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:18 pm The super volcano is under the lake isn't it?
I was down in Wellington a fortnight ago. While driving home we climbed up the western rim of the crater and I causally mentioned the earthquake swarm to Mrs Enz. She was not amused. (Didn't tell her that she would be no safer home in bed).

I am doing Pilates so that, if it goes, I should at least be able to kiss my ass goodbye.
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:44 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:18 pm The super volcano is under the lake isn't it?
I was down in Wellington a fortnight ago. While driving home we climbed up the western rim of the crater and I causally mentioned the earthquake swarm to Mrs Enz. She was not amused. (Didn't tell her that she would be no safer home in bed).

I am doing Pilates so that, if it goes, I should at least be able to kiss my ass goodbye.
Don't make plans where volcanos are concerned ..

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Enzedder wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:44 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:18 pm The super volcano is under the lake isn't it?
I was down in Wellington a fortnight ago. While driving home we climbed up the western rim of the crater and I causally mentioned the earthquake swarm to Mrs Enz. She was not amused. (Didn't tell her that she would be no safer home in bed).

I am doing Pilates so that, if it goes, I should at least be able to kiss my ass goodbye.
The highlighted bit just doesn’t read right……..
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:39 pm
Enzedder wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:44 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:18 pm The super volcano is under the lake isn't it?
I was down in Wellington a fortnight ago. While driving home we climbed up the western rim of the crater and I causally mentioned the earthquake swarm to Mrs Enz. She was not amused. (Didn't tell her that she would be no safer home in bed).

I am doing Pilates so that, if it goes, I should at least be able to kiss my ass goodbye.
The highlighted bit just doesn’t read right……..
Did Enz say he was a bit heavy at the moment... :problem:
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Grandpa wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:53 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:39 pm
Enzedder wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:44 pm

I was down in Wellington a fortnight ago. While driving home we climbed up the western rim of the crater and I causally mentioned the earthquake swarm to Mrs Enz. She was not amused. (Didn't tell her that she would be no safer home in bed).

I am doing Pilates so that, if it goes, I should at least be able to kiss my ass goodbye.
The highlighted bit just doesn’t read right……..
Did Enz say he was a bit heavy at the moment... :problem:
I imagine him saying it and adding,”my dear”. With a evil grin on his face.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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PCPhil wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:58 pm
Grandpa wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:53 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:39 pm

The highlighted bit just doesn’t read right……..
Did Enz say he was a bit heavy at the moment... :problem:
I imagine him saying it and adding,”my dear”. With a evil grin on his face.
Does he have a goatee he could stroke, or a thin mustache he can twirl at the same time ? :wink:
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fishfoodie wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm
PCPhil wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:58 pm
Grandpa wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:53 pm

Did Enz say he was a bit heavy at the moment... :problem:
I imagine him saying it and adding,”my dear”. With a evil grin on his face.
Does he have a goatee he could stroke, or a thin mustache he can twirl at the same time ? :wink:
It’s a side of Enz I’ve not seen before and it’s slightly worrying.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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PCPhil wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:38 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm
PCPhil wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:58 pm

I imagine him saying it and adding,”my dear”. With a evil grin on his face.
Does he have a goatee he could stroke, or a thin mustache he can twirl at the same time ? :wink:
It’s a side of Enz I’ve not seen before and it’s slightly worrying.
Plus he's playing golf again with renewed zest...
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PCPhil wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:38 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm
PCPhil wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:58 pm

I imagine him saying it and adding,”my dear”. With a evil grin on his face.
Does he have a goatee he could stroke, or a thin mustache he can twirl at the same time ? :wink:
It’s a side of Enz I’ve not seen before and it’s slightly worrying.
You bastards are nuts. :lol:

Anyway - scored a century at golf yesterday - hopefully, the rules have changed in the last 21 years and that's good.
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My major worry is that an impending catastrophe warning might be so late as to make it impossible to book a flight, transport and accomodation in a good vantage point.

One would hate to miss this.
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MungoMan wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:08 am My major worry is that an impending catastrophe warning might be so late as to make it impossible to book a flight, transport and accomodation in a good vantage point.

One would hate to miss this.
I could live stream it for you
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Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:27 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:06 am
Grandpa wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:02 am

Where would they all go? Tasmania?

Wonder if possible in 3 days...
Get the population airlifted out quick to Yellowstone National Park. plenty of room and very sa…….oh hold on.
Actually a smart idea... what are the chances of two super volcanoes going up at once? :grin:
Knew Mother Earth would get pissed off with us eventually.

Like when them talking trees all went after Christopher Lee. Guy had it coming.
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US Geological Service moves from weekly to daily updates for Mauna Loa

The volcano is 0ne of five that make up the Big Island of Hawaii, and it is not only the biggest of the group, it is the largest active volcano in the world, rising more than 13,000 feet above sea level. But when its massive flanks beneath the surface of the Pacific Ocean are taken into account, it rises over 55,000 feet above the sea floor.

Mauna Loa last erupted in 1984 and last year it started to wake up again with dozens of small magnitude earthquakes.

In the past few weeks that rumbling has become more active, increasing from a handful of earthquakes per day in June to nearly 50 each day over the past two weeks.

As of Oct. 6, the US Geological Survey’s Hawaiian Volcano Observatory (HVO) is moving from issuing weekly updates for Mauna Loa to daily updates.
“Global Positioning System (GPS) measurements show continued surface deformation related to inflation of a magma chamber beneath the summit,” the latest advisory reads.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:12 pm US Geological Service moves from weekly to daily updates for Mauna Loa

The volcano is 0ne of five that make up the Big Island of Hawaii, and it is not only the biggest of the group, it is the largest active volcano in the world, rising more than 13,000 feet above sea level. But when its massive flanks beneath the surface of the Pacific Ocean are taken into account, it rises over 55,000 feet above the sea floor.

Mauna Loa last erupted in 1984 and last year it started to wake up again with dozens of small magnitude earthquakes.

In the past few weeks that rumbling has become more active, increasing from a handful of earthquakes per day in June to nearly 50 each day over the past two weeks.

As of Oct. 6, the US Geological Survey’s Hawaiian Volcano Observatory (HVO) is moving from issuing weekly updates for Mauna Loa to daily updates.
“Global Positioning System (GPS) measurements show continued surface deformation related to inflation of a magma chamber beneath the summit,” the latest advisory reads.
Ta for that, GS.

As I have an abiding interest in volcanoes while being domiciled on a large island with no active specimens, I immediately checked for updates / more info on Mauna Loa’s status. Most interesting.
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My stay in managed isolation on return to NZ last year coincided with the eruption in Iceland starting and, due to not having a shedload of other stuff to do and being locked down in a hotel in Rotorua with steam vents issuing forth outside my window and the abiding sweet sweet smell of sulphur on the morning breeze, I got interested. I followed that eruption pretty much every day until it no longer fitted the description....

and since then, I've found the various eruptions and the promises that don't deliver to be an ongoing source of fascination. There seems to be a lot going on although the broad reach of media, a happy throng of would be influencer fuckwits with cameras, drones and a connection along with a cooperative algorithm that eagerly leaps at my every mild interest probably distorts and magnifies the volume of potential eruptability which is always going on.

Mauna Loa would be a large event. Iceland is currently in a protracted phase of heightened activity that should see more eruptions occur, one being under a large icefield / glacier. I now live in the Bay of Plenty of NZ, which is only just outside the active volcanic zone that stretches from Taupo, Ngauruhoe and White Island / Whaakari... all of which is active.

Being interested seems like a decent sort of idea, really.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:49 am My stay in managed isolation on return to NZ last year coincided with the eruption in Iceland starting and, due to not having a shedload of other stuff to do and being locked down in a hotel in Rotorua with steam vents issuing forth outside my window and the abiding sweet sweet smell of sulphur on the morning breeze, I got interested. I followed that eruption pretty much every day until it no longer fitted the description....

and since then, I've found the various eruptions and the promises that don't deliver to be an ongoing source of fascination. There seems to be a lot going on although the broad reach of media, a happy throng of would be influencer fuckwits with cameras, drones and a connection along with a cooperative algorithm that eagerly leaps at my every mild interest probably distorts and magnifies the volume of potential eruptability which is always going on.

Mauna Loa would be a large event. Iceland is currently in a protracted phase of heightened activity that should see more eruptions occur, one being under a large icefield / glacier. I now live in the Bay of Plenty of NZ, which is only just outside the active volcanic zone that stretches from Taupo, Ngauruhoe and White Island / Whaakari... all of which is active.

Being interested seems like a decent sort of idea, really.
Given where you live, it's a readily available pastime / hobby. Whakaari probl'y isn't on the to-do list for a while, tho'.I feel fortunate to have visited there before the horrible happened.

And since another pastime / hobby of mine is birdwatching, the boat trip alone was worth it as regards the pelagic birds on show at the time.
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Five of the 10 largest explosive volcanic eruptions on Earth in the last 2 million years have occurred in the Taupō Volcanic Zone which extends from Mt Ruapehu through Taupo and Rotorua to White Island/Whakaari off Ohope Beach and Whakatane -- this 'Volcanic Plateau' extends 350km by 100km.

The Ōruanui eruption ejected about 1170km3 of volcanic material and was the largest eruption recorded in the past 70,000 years.

The Taupō eruption ejected about 120km3 of volcanic material and was the largest eruption in the past 5000 years. Its plume reached a height of 35 to 40km and covered lakeside areas in tens of metres of pumice and ash deposits.

Taupo has had frequent eruptions over the past 300,000 years. Its last big blow was inadvertently 'recorded' by both the Chinese and Romans who each noted long dark years resulting in reduced crops and famine.

All this 'most-powerful activity' of the last 70,000 years is probably the result of Zealandia being the world's youngest and thinnest continent (the planet's 8th).
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Oh great!

So we’ll put coronavirus behind us, Ukraine and Russia will be sorted, economy bounces up and we’re doing well and then a big mountain goes boom. Seriously kiwis is this the best you can do, is it?
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PCPhil wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:26 am Oh great!

So we’ll put coronavirus behind us, Ukraine and Russia will be sorted, economy bounces up and we’re doing well and then a big mountain goes boom. Seriously kiwis is this the best you can do, is it?
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Grandpa wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:15 am
PCPhil wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:26 am Oh great!

So we’ll put coronavirus behind us, Ukraine and Russia will be sorted, economy bounces up and we’re doing well and then a big mountain goes boom. Seriously kiwis is this the best you can do, is it?
Anything to get rid of Foster
:lolno: :clap:
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