NZ Rugby selection thread / all blacks

[fishfoodie]

Perenara has been called into the ABs, with Weber and Fainga'anuku dropping to the "ABs" XV squad.

for the baby seal clubbing matchup, versus Munster

[Guy Smiley]

Perenara has been called into the ABs, with Weber and Fainga'anuku dropping to the "ABs" XV squad.

There’s no system to it… this is just snatching at pegs to bang into holes. A first team and a second should be all about development and progression, surely? This is more like grabbing spare parts off a shelf to patch up shortfalls or poor choices.

[fishfoodie]

Perenara has been called into the ABs, with Weber and Fainga'anuku dropping to the "ABs" XV squad.

There’s no system to it… this is just snatching at pegs to bang into holes. A first team and a second should be all about development and progression, surely? This is more like grabbing spare parts off a shelf to patch up shortfalls or poor choices.

It's a problem everywhere; are the A's your 2nd team, or are the U20s ?

In reality the answer is neither, because it's the subs from the 1st team, & a mix of the rest. The A's status depends on how the Coach sees them, because there's no schedule to allow them to plan for how to use the fixtures.

It's easier for the home sides, because they can just move players around, like Jimmy O'Brien; who was supposed to be starting for the A's; but for the touring side, it's a mix of the guys returning from injuries, the tackle bag holders, & players who just happen to be in the area.

[Grandpa]

Perenara has been called into the ABs, with Weber and Fainga'anuku dropping to the "ABs" XV squad.

I thought Fainga'anuku had gone home for personal reasons?

[Guy Smiley]

Perenara has been called into the ABs, with Weber and Fainga'anuku dropping to the "ABs" XV squad.

I thought Fainga'anuku had gone home for personal reasons?

Like the Barretts, there was no suggestion he was out of the tour, just time off.

[Gumboot]

Perenara has been called into the ABs, with Weber and Fainga'anuku dropping to the "ABs" XV squad.

I thought Fainga'anuku had gone home for personal reasons?

Like the Barretts, there was no suggestion he was out of the tour, just time off.

In the latest reshuffle, Braydon and Ennor are now back with the ABs.

It's getting hard to keep up...

[Flockwitt]

I thought Fainga'anuku had gone home for personal reasons?

Like the Barretts, there was no suggestion he was out of the tour, just time off.

In the latest reshuffle, Braydon and Ennor are now back with the ABs.

It's getting hard to keep up...

they're there, might as well use them if needed. Saves on the jet lag if nothing else. But happy to see TJ still around and won't begrudge him another cap if injury strikes. Under appreciated 74 caps for mine, integral to one of the best AB teams and a superb all round rugby player once he matured, even if his pass wasn't/isn't in Smith's class.

[Gumboot]

In the latest reshuffle, Braydon and Ennor are now back with the ABs.

It's getting hard to keep up...

they're there, might as well use them if needed. Saves on the jet lag if nothing else. But happy to see TJ still around and won't begrudge him another cap if injury strikes. Under appreciated 74 caps for mine, integral to one of the best AB teams and a superb all round rugby player once he matured, even if his pass wasn't/isn't in Smith's class.

The 2015 RWC triumvirate of Smith, Kerr-Barlow and Perenara was as good as it gets, imho.

[Flockwitt]

In the latest reshuffle, Braydon and Ennor are now back with the ABs.

It's getting hard to keep up...

they're there, might as well use them if needed. Saves on the jet lag if nothing else. But happy to see TJ still around and won't begrudge him another cap if injury strikes. Under appreciated 74 caps for mine, integral to one of the best AB teams and a superb all round rugby player once he matured, even if his pass wasn't/isn't in Smith's class.

The 2015 RWC triumvirate of Smith, Kerr-Barlow and Perenara was as good as it gets, imho.

Agreed. We could see in the weekend how France had to play Dupont to the end of the game against Oz. The prime ABs never had that issue, and it may yet be one to bite France come the RWC.

[Grandpa]

I thought Fainga'anuku had gone home for personal reasons?

Like the Barretts, there was no suggestion he was out of the tour, just time off.

In the latest reshuffle, Braydon and Ennor are now back with the ABs.

It's getting hard to keep up...

I'm in the UK. I'll post here first if I get called in to either squad. If nothing else I'll raise morale in the squad with my "Razor banter".

[Ymx]

Well, I’m not sure what new learnings there are.

I think the Finlay plus BB combo nearly sunk us.

Who do we think might be our best starting XV?

[Ymx]

1. Ethan DeGroot
2. Samisone Taukei’aho
3. Ofa Tu'ungafasi
4. Sam Whitelock (c)
5. Scott Barrett (BBBR is out of form)
6. Shannon Frizzell (scratching my head on this one)
7. Dalton Papali’i
8. Ardie Savea
9. Aaron Smith
10. Richie Mo’unga
11. Mark Telea
12. Jordie Barrett
13. Reiko Ioane
14. Will Jordan
15. Beauden Barrett

[Ymx]

Oh shit. I just went full Barrett!

[Ymx]

It’s actually happening isn’t it.

Razor is out here right now, no doubt a lucrative contract being pushed his way. With ROG as his number 2.



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[Grandpa]

It’s actually happening isn’t it.

Razor is out here right now, no doubt a lucrative contract being pushed his way. With ROG as his number 2.



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Yep. We'll be left to choose between Foster and Plumtree.. the only two people left free...

[Gumboot]

Who do we think might be our best starting XV?

15. Beauden
14. Telea
13. Rieko
12. Jordie
11. ABC
10. Mo'unga
9. Smith
8. Ardie
7. Papali'i
6. Scooter
5. Whitelock
4. BBBR
3. Lomax
2. Taukei'aho
1. de Groot

[Grandpa]

Who do we think might be our best starting XV?

15. Beauden
14. Telea
13. Rieko
12. Jordie
11. ABC
10. Mo'unga
9. Smith
8. Ardie
7. Papali'i
6. Scooter
5. Whitelock
4. BBBR
3. Lomax
2. Taukei'aho
1. de Groot

Who is ABC at 11?

Stevenson maybe? Jordan when he's back of course....

[Gumboot]

Who do we think might be our best starting XV?

15. Beauden
14. Telea
13. Rieko
12. Jordie
11. ABC
10. Mo'unga
9. Smith
8. Ardie
7. Papali'i
6. Scooter
5. Whitelock
4. BBBR
3. Lomax
2. Taukei'aho
1. de Groot

Who is ABC at 11?

Stevenson maybe? Jordan when he's back of course....

Stevenson would do nicely. Anyone but Clarke.

[Grandpa]

15. Beauden
14. Telea
13. Rieko
12. Jordie
11. ABC
10. Mo'unga
9. Smith
8. Ardie
7. Papali'i
6. Scooter
5. Whitelock
4. BBBR
3. Lomax
2. Taukei'aho
1. de Groot

Who is ABC at 11?

Stevenson maybe? Jordan when he's back of course....

Stevenson would do nicely. Anyone but Clarke.

ABC - Anyone But Clarke. Of course... I was racking my brains..

Is Stevenson good on defence? I love him on attack...

[Certain Navigator]

Who is ABC at 11?

Stevenson maybe? Jordan when he's back of course....

Stevenson would do nicely. Anyone but Clarke.

ABC - Anyone But Clarke. Of course... I was racking my brains..

Is Stevenson good on defence? I love him on attack...

Stevenson's defense is similar to his offense — a mix of the brilliant and the truly awful.

[Guy Smiley]

His defensive work has to better than Clarke’s. He’s got no idea.

[Flockwitt]

ABC had me stumped as well . Unfortunately I have to agree, was not impressed with his performance against Scotland. No concept of closing space and directing the line of the attacker before committing to the tackle.

[Gumboot]

ABC had me stumped as well . Unfortunately I have to agree, was not impressed with his performance against Scotland. No concept of closing space and directing the line of the attacker before committing to the tackle.

And four tries in 14 tests; 3 against Argentina and 1 against Japan. Pitiful.

[Gumboot]

ABC had me stumped as well . Unfortunately I have to agree, was not impressed with his performance against Scotland. No concept of closing space and directing the line of the attacker before committing to the tackle.

And just four tries in 14 tests; 3 against Argentina and 1 against Japan. Pitiful.

[Gumboot]

Richie Mo'unga GOOOOOOOOOOOOONNE!!!!!


...to Japanese club Toshiba on a 3-year contract after the RWC.

Looks like we need to find a new 10 pretty soon-ish. Don't think Perofeta's gonna be the answer... maybe McKenzie? Not sure how his recovery's going, but I'd love to see Zarn Sullivan get a decent go at 10 at some stage. Unlikely at the Blues sadly, with Beauden and Perofeta there.


P.S. Frizell's also going to Toshiba. Meh.

[Ymx]

Richie Mo'unga GOOOOOOOOOOOOONNE!!!!!


...to Japanese club Toshiba on a 3-year contract after the RWC.

Looks like we need to find a new 10 pretty soon-ish. Don't think Perofeta's gonna be the answer... maybe McKenzie? Not sure how his recovery's going, but I'd love to see Zarn Sullivan get a decent go at 10 at some stage. Unlikely at the Blues sadly, with Beauden and Perofeta there.


P.S. Frizell's also going to Toshiba. Meh.

Oh FFS!

I don’t blame him. He needs to cash out.

Fergus Burke, next cab off the rank.

[Ymx]

Just been reminded of this. Forget the toe rag publisher posting it.

[Grandpa]

Hansen advising NZ Rugby NOT to choose a new coach until AFTER the World Cup... what a wanker. Strip him of his Knigthood!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... ob-process

Hansen urges NZ Rugby to delay coach announcement until after World Cup

Sir Steve Hansen says NZ Rugby must ensure Ian Foster is happy with the All Blacks coach appointment process, or it could risk jeopardising the team's World Cup campaign.

While former All Blacks coach Hansen sympathises with NZ Rugby's predicament when determining whether to ask for job applications before or after the global tournament in France starting in September, he says whatever unfolds can't be allowed to distract the All Blacks from their mission to win the Webb Ellis Cup.

[Guy Smiley]

Hansen really is a blotard of epic proportions.

[Ymx]

He’ll be demanding Foster gets his knighthood next.

Sir Ian Foster.

I’ll renounce my NZ citizenship if that came to pass.

[Grandpa]

He’ll be demanding Foster gets his knighthood next.

Sir Ian Foster.

I’ll renounce my NZ citizenship if that came to pass.

Yes, Made Sir Ian Foster before the World Cup.. as waiting till after might unsettle him...

[Grandpa]

So it turned out that Beaudan Barrett didn't raise the idea of being picked for the All Blacks while playing overseas... NZ Rugby did! But it was rejected by the board...

If anyone, it's Richie it should be offered to...

NZ Rugby has confirmed that it was them, not Barrett - that raised a "possible option'' of him extending his international career if the board agreed to an exemption.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... en-barrett

[Enzedder]

Hansen advising NZ Rugby NOT to choose a new coach until AFTER the World Cup... what a wanker. Strip him of his Knigthood!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... ob-process

Hansen urges NZ Rugby to delay coach announcement until after World Cup

Sir Steve Hansen says NZ Rugby must ensure Ian Foster is happy with the All Blacks coach appointment process, or it could risk jeopardising the team's World Cup campaign.

While former All Blacks coach Hansen sympathises with NZ Rugby's predicament when determining whether to ask for job applications before or after the global tournament in France starting in September, he says whatever unfolds can't be allowed to distract the All Blacks from their mission to win the Webb Ellis Cup.

I 100% agree with him. Make arrangements for sure - but keep them under wraps.

Be good employers.

[Grandpa]

Hansen advising NZ Rugby NOT to choose a new coach until AFTER the World Cup... what a wanker. Strip him of his Knigthood!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... ob-process

Hansen urges NZ Rugby to delay coach announcement until after World Cup

Sir Steve Hansen says NZ Rugby must ensure Ian Foster is happy with the All Blacks coach appointment process, or it could risk jeopardising the team's World Cup campaign.

While former All Blacks coach Hansen sympathises with NZ Rugby's predicament when determining whether to ask for job applications before or after the global tournament in France starting in September, he says whatever unfolds can't be allowed to distract the All Blacks from their mission to win the Webb Ellis Cup.

I 100% agree with him. Make arrangements for sure - but keep them under wraps.

Be good employers.

Keep them under wraps? You're having a laugh... no way they could keep that under wraps... Hansen wants Foster to be happy with the process? The only way he'd be happy is if he is re-selected!

Hansen believes incumbent Foster, who assisted Hansen during the latter's eight years as coach, can't afford to be disgruntled with whatever NZ Rugby decides to do.

[Gumboot]

More arrant nonsense from a Kiwi rugby hack. Tony Smith wrote this in a Stuff article about Mo'unga's potential successor in the ABs:

By the time 1987 World Cup winner Grant Fox bowed out in 1993, it was obvious Mehrtens would be running the cutter at the 1995 World Cup...

FFS, Mehrtens was barely even on the age-group radar in 1993. After Fox's last test against Western Samoa, we tried Marc Ellis against Scotland and England (then selector Earl Kirton predicted he'd become one of our great test first fives - LOL), Simon Mannix crashed and burned in his only start against France, and then Stephen Bachop got the job for the rest of '94. Just like many of Mains' muddled selections, first five was a problem position for us pre-1995.

[Grandpa]

More arrant nonsense from a Kiwi rugby hack. Tony Smith wrote this in a Stuff article about Mo'unga's potential successor in the ABs:

By the time 1987 World Cup winner Grant Fox bowed out in 1993, it was obvious Mehrtens would be running the cutter at the 1995 World Cup...

FFS, Mehrtens was barely even on the age-group radar in 1993. After Fox's last test against Western Samoa, we tried Marc Ellis against Scotland and England (then selector Earl Kirton predicted he'd become one of our great test first fives - LOL), Simon Mannix crashed and burned in his only start against France, and then Stephen Bachop got the job for the rest of '94. Just like many of Mains' muddled selections, first five was a problem position for us pre-1995.

I thought the same reading that... Mehrtens was a bolter in 1995 wasn't he? I think I remember his first game against Canada just before the World Cup?

[Ymx]

Hansen advising NZ Rugby NOT to choose a new coach until AFTER the World Cup... what a wanker. Strip him of his Knigthood!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... ob-process

Hansen urges NZ Rugby to delay coach announcement until after World Cup

I 100% agree with him. Make arrangements for sure - but keep them under wraps.

Be good employers.

Keep them under wraps? You're having a laugh... no way they could keep that under wraps... Hansen wants Foster to be happy with the process? The only way he'd be happy is if he is re-selected!

Hansen believes incumbent Foster, who assisted Hansen during the latter's eight years as coach, can't afford to be disgruntled with whatever NZ Rugby decides to do.

Hansen is as arrogantly interfering as the mega twat Clive Woodward.

Both think they are the voice of perpetual wisdom and constantly manipulating the local union with their egos.

[Grandpa]

I 100% agree with him. Make arrangements for sure - but keep them under wraps.

Be good employers.

Keep them under wraps? You're having a laugh... no way they could keep that under wraps... Hansen wants Foster to be happy with the process? The only way he'd be happy is if he is re-selected!

Hansen believes incumbent Foster, who assisted Hansen during the latter's eight years as coach, can't afford to be disgruntled with whatever NZ Rugby decides to do.

Hansen is as arrogantly interfering as the mega twat Clive Woodward.

Both think they are the voice of perpetual wisdom and constantly manipulating the local union with their egos.

Nepotism is reaching peak influence in NZ rugby...

[Gumboot]

More arrant nonsense from a Kiwi rugby hack. Tony Smith wrote this in a Stuff article about Mo'unga's potential successor in the ABs:

By the time 1987 World Cup winner Grant Fox bowed out in 1993, it was obvious Mehrtens would be running the cutter at the 1995 World Cup...

FFS, Mehrtens was barely even on the age-group radar in 1993. After Fox's last test against Western Samoa, we tried Marc Ellis against Scotland and England (then selector Earl Kirton predicted he'd become one of our great test first fives - LOL), Simon Mannix crashed and burned in his only start against France, and then Stephen Bachop got the job for the rest of '94. Just like many of Mains' muddled selections, first five was a problem position for us pre-1995.

I thought the same reading that... Mehrtens was a bolter in 1995 wasn't he? I think I remember his first game against Canada just before the World Cup?

Maybe not quite a bolter, as he'd caught the eye playing well for Canterbury in '94. But there's no way he was even in the ABs conversation in '93, let alone earmarked as our future starting 10 for the '95 RWC. This Tony Smith fella's just pulled that bollocks out of his arse.

This from allblacks.com:

Though left out of the initial training squads, Merhtens developed so much that he forced his way into the 1995 World Cup squad, having made a stunning All Black debut in the early season test against Canada when he scored 28 points.

[Kiwias]

Richie Mo'unga GOOOOOOOOOOOOONNE!!!!!


...to Japanese club Toshiba on a 3-year contract after the RWC.

Looks like we need to find a new 10 pretty soon-ish. Don't think Perofeta's gonna be the answer... maybe McKenzie? Not sure how his recovery's going, but I'd love to see Zarn Sullivan get a decent go at 10 at some stage. Unlikely at the Blues sadly, with Beauden and Perofeta there.


P.S. Frizell's also going to Toshiba. Meh.

Buggery buggery fuck.