Mason Greenwood

[Kawazaki]

The Raith Rovers saga this week is quite unsavoury as well and seems to have spectacularly backfired on the club.

It is interesting that one.

I think he is a scumbag and shouldn't be playing football, haven't changed my view since he signed for Clyde.

But it it weird the condemnation from the government now compared to when he signed for Clyde 5 years ago. Where was the outcry back then?

5 years is an absolute age in moral opprobrium nowadays. We've had #metoo, Weinstein, Epstein, culture wars, the rise of the woke and the exponential growth of the cesspit that is Twitter.

[Big D]

I'd say you're right - West Ham had Dimitri Payet and always wondered why he wasn't at Real or similar - he's that level of talent.

Raith Rovers surely have to backtrack here, don't they? It's disastrous in so many ways.

Not sure how they can back track. They paid 100k for him and he has a multi year contract that they signed knowing his past.

If it's risking the women's team leaving and major sponsors going, I'd wonder if it's worth just paying out his contract. As in most things, it'll come down to money - whether the loss of sponsorship hurts them harder than waving away 6 figures in fees and wage. Purely pragmatically, there's always the feeling that things will quieten down once the initial outrage subsides, but it's some fierce level of outrage.

Yeah I think that's what they'd have to do. But writing off upwards of 200k is a big deal for a small club.

Ultimately they've fucked it. Unless the full board go as well as paying off Goodwillie I'm not sure this is going to be resolved.

I can't believe a club with a woman team doctor didn't consult wider than whoever signed this off.

[Big D]

The Raith Rovers saga this week is quite unsavoury as well and seems to have spectacularly backfired on the club.

It is interesting that one.

I think he is a scumbag and shouldn't be playing football, haven't changed my view since he signed for Clyde.

But it it weird the condemnation from the government now compared to when he signed for Clyde 5 years ago. Where was the outcry back then?

5 years is an absolute age in moral opprobrium nowadays. We've had #metoo, Weinstein, Epstein, culture wars, the rise of the woke and the exponential growth of the cesspit that is Twitter.

I think it isn't even that. It is a major SNP supporter that has pulled her sponsorship.

Call me cynical but I am always suspicious when the governments pick and choose when to speak on issues and often do so at times their pals have a stake on have had a say.
Of course speaking out on this is the right thing for do but when they say things like "society still has a long way to go to address issues such as sexual violence and misogyny" yet steadfastly refuse to have a public enquiry about the now numerous convictions for historic sex offences (and another arrested this last week) at Scottish football clubs I can't help but wonder why.

[Big D]

So they are not going to play Goodwillie and "discuss his contractual position" which will mean pay him off.

He had rightly been made toxic despite playing for Clyde for 5 years so he is done in football. Which will probably mean he and his agent will want all the wages.

[SaintK]

So they are not going to play Goodwillie and "discuss his contractual position" which will mean pay him off.

He had rightly been made toxic despite playing for Clyde for 5 years so he is done in football. Which will probably mean he and his agent will want all the wages.

A very expensive error of judgement

[Kawazaki]

So they are not going to play Goodwillie and "discuss his contractual position" which will mean pay him off.

He had rightly been made toxic despite playing for Clyde for 5 years so he is done in football. Which will probably mean he and his agent will want all the wages.

A very expensive error of judgement

They paid a £100k transfer fee! I hope for their sake it was staged payments. Best the player can hope for is a return to his old club who evidently didn't seem bothered.

[inactionman]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

[Biffer]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

There's a pretty well established path from cruelty to animals to cruelty to people in psychology I think. If you're prepared to treat living things as property, this is what happens and it'd potentially translate to girlfriends

[Margin__Walker]

Only watched the Zouma video today. I'm not a big animal lover, but you have to be some prick to do that to a pet.

He absolutely leathers it a couple of times.

[sockwithaticket]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

I wouldn't want to employ him. Callous cruelty towards a sentient being that's reliant on you for food and shelter speaks to a generally nasty character.

There again I think legal sanctions for animal cruelty are far too lax and are unjustifiably rooted in notions that animals are property or inferior to humans, so ymmv.

[Lobby]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

I wouldn't want to employ him. Callous cruelty towards a sentient being that's reliant on you for food and shelter speaks to a generally nasty character.

There again I think legal sanctions for animal cruelty are far too lax and are unjustifiably rooted in notions that animals are property or inferior to humans, so ymmv.

According to the Guardian, as well as facing potential action here (Essex police are investigating), he could also face prosecution in France:

In France, the 30 Million Friends Foundation animal rights group condemned the “heinous act”, with campaigners calling for Zouma to be suspended from the national team, and confirmed that a complaint had been filed against him under the French penal code, which applies to citizens committing offences outside the country.

Tough animal protection laws were introduced in France in 2021, meaning that the “mistreatment of animals” is punishable by up to four years in prison and a fine equivalent to £50,000.

[sockwithaticket]

Good for the Frogs.

[Slick]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

It was a pretty horrible watch.

I’m also not sure it’s a sackable/ruin career offence but there does seem to be a good opportunity to actually do some good out of it. Why don’t West Ham donate his fine to the RSPCA, who are cash strapped at the moment, along with a hefty donation straight from him. Maybe even get him out cleaning up shit from kennels for a few days.

[Slick]

I think the police have already said it’s not an prosecutable offence by the way

[fishfoodie]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

There's a pretty well established path from cruelty to animals to cruelty to people in psychology I think. If you're prepared to treat living things as property, this is what happens and it'd potentially translate to girlfriends

It's a critical indicator in children, who will turn into adult psychopaths.

[Lobby]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

It was a pretty horrible watch.

I’m also not sure it’s a sackable/ruin career offence but there does seem to be a good opportunity to actually do some good out of it. Why don’t West Ham donate his fine to the RSPCA, who are cash strapped at the moment, along with a hefty donation straight from him. Maybe even get him out cleaning up shit from kennels for a few days.

West Ham have already said they will be donating his fine to animal charities.

He's also been dropped by Adidas, and other sponsors have suspended their relationships with West Ham to see what other action they take.

[Kawazaki]

If that is what they consider ok to publish online then it makes you wonder what they do off camera.

[Slick]

Kurt Zouma fined 250k for punting his cat around his kitchen, and his cats confiscated by RSPCA.

The shit-for-brains even allowed his brother to film it, who of course put it up on social media.

An ongoing question is how West Ham should respond - they've apparently fined him but allowed him to play last night (the video only came to light that day, not leaving a great deal of response time), which has understandably drawn a fair bit of flak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60312876

Not sure where I stand on this, clearly brushing it under carpet isn't viable so I'd have thought common sense would be to leave him out of the squad for at least that game and fine the twat, but after that I'm not sure quite what the club's longer term position should be. It was a nasty act, but sacking seems over the top. And I hate cats.

It was a pretty horrible watch.

I’m also not sure it’s a sackable/ruin career offence but there does seem to be a good opportunity to actually do some good out of it. Why don’t West Ham donate his fine to the RSPCA, who are cash strapped at the moment, along with a hefty donation straight from him. Maybe even get him out cleaning up shit from kennels for a few days.

West Ham have already said they will be donating his fine to animal charities.

He's also been dropped by Adidas, and other sponsors have suspended their relationships with West Ham to see what other action they take.

Ahh that’s good to hear from the club.

On the up side, some great cat inspired chants from the Watford fans at the game

[PCPhil]

Like to hear his story for when the kids come back and ask where felix and tiddles have got to.

[inactionman]

CPS has dropped charges of attempted rape

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -greenwood

From what I know of the case I find that a little surprising, but apparently some witnesses have withdrawn. Also, mention of new material coming to light, although no idea what that is.

I'd expect his football career is torpedoed, but I've been disappointed before. He's still an international quality footballer and someone will no doubt be willing to overlook his sins.

[Paddington Bear]

Probably off to earn sheets in Saudi or something like that

[Big D]

CPS has dropped charges of attempted rape

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -greenwood

From what I know of the case I find that a little surprising, but apparently some witnesses have withdrawn. Also, mention of new material coming to light, although no idea what that is.

I'd expect his football career is torpedoed, but I've been disappointed before. He's still an international quality footballer and someone will no doubt be willing to overlook his sins.

He and the accuser are back to being a couple. He breached bail repeatedly to visit her.

Amazing what money can do.

[Blackmac]

CPS has dropped charges of attempted rape

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -greenwood

From what I know of the case I find that a little surprising, but apparently some witnesses have withdrawn. Also, mention of new material coming to light, although no idea what that is.

I'd expect his football career is torpedoed, but I've been disappointed before. He's still an international quality footballer and someone will no doubt be willing to overlook his sins.

He and the accuser are back to being a couple. He breached bail repeatedly to visit her.

Amazing what money can do.

Throw in a fair bit of gullibility and stupidity.

[PornDog]

I assume he'll have to wait a while before dumping her - for the sake of appearances.

[inactionman]

I'll admit to some pleasant surprise that, for once, money appears not to have talked.

Greenwood won't continue at Man U.

All those involved, including Mason, recognise the difficulties with him recommencing his career at Manchester United. It has therefore been mutually agreed that it would be most appropriate for him to do so away from Old Trafford, and we will now work with Mason to achieve that outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... al-inquiry

I wondered whether Man U could actively sack him, given the discontinuation of court proceedings, but this at least sends a message that dickheadedness has consequences.

No idea if they'll sell him or let him leave on a free transfer, but they're not going to get what would have been market value for him.

[Slick]

I'll admit to some pleasant surprise that, for once, money appears not to have talked.

Greenwood won't continue at Man U.

All those involved, including Mason, recognise the difficulties with him recommencing his career at Manchester United. It has therefore been mutually agreed that it would be most appropriate for him to do so away from Old Trafford, and we will now work with Mason to achieve that outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... al-inquiry

I wondered whether Man U could actively sack him, given the discontinuation of court proceedings, but this at least sends a message that dickheadedness has consequences.

No idea if they'll sell him or let him leave on a free transfer, but they're not going to get what would have been market value for him.

Read a piece yesterday arguing that since he had been with the club since he was 7, he was very much their problem so they shouldn’t just farm him out.

[inactionman]

I'll admit to some pleasant surprise that, for once, money appears not to have talked.

Greenwood won't continue at Man U.

All those involved, including Mason, recognise the difficulties with him recommencing his career at Manchester United. It has therefore been mutually agreed that it would be most appropriate for him to do so away from Old Trafford, and we will now work with Mason to achieve that outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... al-inquiry

I wondered whether Man U could actively sack him, given the discontinuation of court proceedings, but this at least sends a message that dickheadedness has consequences.

No idea if they'll sell him or let him leave on a free transfer, but they're not going to get what would have been market value for him.

Read a piece yesterday arguing that since he had been with the club since he was 7, he was very much their problem so they shouldn’t just farm him out.

It's not been a roaring success so far, sadly - and alongside that I'm not sure how far into someone's social life and behaviour a football club can really penetrate. They can try to support employees and provide pastoral care, but ultimately - like any employer or club - they can't really control what someone does outside of work or away from club sessions. They're not parents or guardians.

This is all on Greenwood, not Man U.

I'd be keen to see if they really mean they're releasing/selling him rather than loaning him out (if I follow what you mean by 'farming' correctly) - the tone of the statement sounded permanent to me.

[Slick]

I'll admit to some pleasant surprise that, for once, money appears not to have talked.

Greenwood won't continue at Man U.



https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... al-inquiry

I wondered whether Man U could actively sack him, given the discontinuation of court proceedings, but this at least sends a message that dickheadedness has consequences.

No idea if they'll sell him or let him leave on a free transfer, but they're not going to get what would have been market value for him.

Read a piece yesterday arguing that since he had been with the club since he was 7, he was very much their problem so they shouldn’t just farm him out.

It's not been a roaring success so far, sadly - and alongside that I'm not sure how far into someone's social life and behaviour a football club can really penetrate. They can try to support employees and provide pastoral care, but ultimately - like any employer or club - they can't really control what someone does outside of work or away from club sessions. They're not parents or guardians.

This is all on Greenwood, not Man U.

I'd be keen to see if they really mean they're releasing/selling him rather than loaning him out (if I follow what you mean by 'farming' correctly) - the tone of the statement sounded permanent to me.

Sorry, bad word choice, I also assume permanently.

The counter to that argument was that they are happy to tell anyone about what a great academy they had when Beckham, Scholes etc were coming out, so should take some responsibility. To be honest, I think modern academies take on a much wider role than you are suggesting in terms of how they “bring up” the kids.

In saying all that, ultimately you are right, it’s on Greenwood

[Insane_Homer]

Probably off to earn sheets in Saudi or something like that

This

[C69]

Probably off to earn sheets in Saudi or something like that

This

Not sure even Saudi will touch this guy