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assfly wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:04 am Not the result we wanted but I didn't think we'd win. Probably the same for next week sadly. Tough ask for our first two fixtures, with a new coach and without our Boks.

Despite the loss, I think there are some positives. There are signs of a more expansive game, albeit it wasn't that well executed. Mchunu looks like he's going to have a monster season. Rohan jvR was immense when he came on, should be starting every game.
We lost that because of not playing to the ref. He made it clear no hands on the ground when going for turnovers and we just didn't adapt and the resulting set pieces put us under druk. Every turnover attempt resulting in a penalty against us. Plum hasn't had a NH season. He doesn't understand the nuances with regards the ref. He needs to catch a quick wakeup.

Let's be honest. Playing the URC champions at home with Cameron Wright our only seasoned scrumhalf is a huge level above the other matches.
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the Stormers are also far from where they should be. However 5 points away is good enough. Scarlets in Stellenbosch and they can select KleinGim's u13s.
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I think Leinster could struggle quite a bit in the early season. Obviously missing a shit load of Irish players probably for another couple of weeks (and what mood will they be in when they return?), but also have no head coach at the moment, who will be meeting everyone for the first time when he finally does arrive and attack coach Andrew Goodman would have missed most of pre-season being away with Samoa.

Far from ideal prep for a new season.
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Right time for the Sharks to beat them.
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R2 – Saturday, October 28

Ospreys v Zebre Parma | 13.00 IRE & UK / 14.00 ITA & SA | BBC Wales, Viaplay, SuperSport, Premier Sports

Connacht v Glasgow Warriors | 15.00 IRE & UK / 16.00 ITA & SA | TG4, Viaplay, SuperSport, Premier Sports

DHL Stormers v Scarlets | 15.00 IRE & UK / 16.00 ITA & SA | SuperSport, S4C, Viaplay, Premier Sports

Leinster v Cell C Sharks | 16.55 IRE & UK / 17.55 ITA & SA | RTÉ, SuperSport, Viaplay, Premier Sports

Edinburgh v Emirates Lions | 17.00 IRE & UK / 18.00 ITA & SA | Viaplay, SuperSport, Premier Sports



Sunday, October 29

Benetton v Munster | 14.00 IRE & UK / 15.00 ITA & SA | ITA, RTÉ, Viaplay, SuperSport, Premier Sports

Dragons RFC v Cardiff Rugby | 14.30 IRE & UK / 15.30 ITA & SA | Viaplay, SuperSport, Premier Sports

Ulster v Vodacom Bulls | 17.00 IRE & UK / 18.00 ITA & SA | BBC NI, TG4, Viaplay, SuperSport, Premier Sports
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Ulster is up for a real treat on sunday.
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PornDog wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:31 am I think Leinster could struggle quite a bit in the early season. Obviously missing a shit load of Irish players probably for another couple of weeks (and what mood will they be in when they return?), but also have no head coach at the moment, who will be meeting everyone for the first time when he finally does arrive and attack coach Andrew Goodman would have missed most of pre-season being away with Samoa.

Far from ideal prep for a new season.
You could be right (tho I was at the game on Sunday and thought the score line flattered us a fair bit. Not that I’m complaining…). It does seem like this could be a bit of a rebuilding season for you, but it speaks volumes of the quality and culture that you have (and my envy) that I still bet you’ll get a home URC play off and be playing KO European rugby.

I take your point about LC needing to get the internationals back up for it, but I bet they’ll be itching to get back in. I really don’t think that will be a problem for you guys.
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Sasha is a really class player for the Stormers that has skilz.........they should get that boy to the Sharks ASAP
You hardly hear anything about him. But boy oh boy he needs some hype
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Sards wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:08 am Sasha is a really class player for the Stormers that has skilz.........they should get that boy to the Sharks ASAP
You hardly hear anything about him. But boy oh boy he needs some hype
When I tell you about our young talents, you ignore. He'll play like Libbok behind Curwin Bosch, No no way, he will get enough play time at the Stormers. Libbok and Willemse will take a break until January like all the Boks.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:09 am
Sards wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:08 am Sasha is a really class player for the Stormers that has skilz.........they should get that boy to the Sharks ASAP
You hardly hear anything about him. But boy oh boy he needs some hype
When I tell you about our young talents, you ignore. He'll play like Libbok behind Curwin Bosch, No no way, he will get enough play time at the Stormers. Libbok and Willemse will take a break until January like all the Boks.
You can have Willemse and Libbok. Sascha is the real deal....not some overhyped average player.
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My prediction for the Saffer sides this year:
Stormers
Bulls
Lions
Sharks
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handyman wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:22 am My prediction for the Saffer sides this year:
Stormers
Bulls
Lions
Sharks
I think you are being very hopeful. Bulls are going to be the team to beat. Lions don't have money so are going to prop up the bottom again. Sharks have some serious artillery coming back. Right now it would be great to just get 1 scrumhalf back. Ginger is a huge loss for the Stormers. But you got Gelant back.
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Sards wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:22 pm
handyman wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:22 am My prediction for the Saffer sides this year:
Stormers
Bulls
Lions
Sharks
I think you are being very hopeful. Bulls are going to be the team to beat. Lions don't have money so are going to prop up the bottom again. Sharks have some serious artillery coming back. Right now it would be great to just get 1 scrumhalf back. Ginger is a huge loss for the Stormers. But you got Gelant back.
So are you going :
Bulls
Sharks
Stormers
Lions

or

Bulls
Stormers
Sharks
Lions?
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handyman wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:22 am My prediction for the Saffer sides this year:
Stormers
Bulls
Lions
Sharks
Rancid Handyman, absolutely rancid.
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I am not so confident like Handy. The Stormers have a nightmare tour coming up and will be without their Boks. The Saffer team to beat will be the Bulls.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:33 pm I am not so confident like Handy. The Stormers have a nightmare tour coming up and will be without their Boks. The Saffer team to beat will be the Bulls.
Nonsense. The Stormers have sorted out their finances, and bridged the gap between the schools and clubs and playing for WP/Stormers (compared to how many they lose). I think their best years are in front of them, and they could come to dominate the URC.

The key to winning the URC will be winning your home games and picking up a couple of wins on tour and as many bonus points as possible. I think the Sharks are going to have a bad tour, but should be able to start building up points when back home.
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assfly wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:39 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:33 pm I am not so confident like Handy. The Stormers have a nightmare tour coming up and will be without their Boks. The Saffer team to beat will be the Bulls.
Nonsense. The Stormers have sorted out their finances, and bridged the gap between the schools and clubs and playing for WP/Stormers (compared to how many they lose). I think their best years are in front of them, and they could come to dominate the URC.

The key to winning the URC will be winning your home games and picking up a couple of wins on tour and as many bonus points as possible. I think the Sharks are going to have a bad tour, but should be able to start building up points when back home.
The $harks invested way too heavily in their superstars [who are not always available], and not enough in their back up players who will carry them through the competition. When at full strength they have an amazing team that can compete with the likes of Ulster / Munster etc.

When they don't play a full strength team then they simply can't.
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Chilli wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:18 am The $harks invested way too heavily in their superstars [who are not always available], and not enough in their back up players who will carry them through the competition. When at full strength they have an amazing team that can compete with the likes of Ulster / Munster etc.

When they don't play a full strength team then they simply can't.
It's a double-edged sword. Those superstars will win you matches, but they're only there half the time.

And any other young players who show promise are also snapped up quickly by the Boks.

The URC season has shown how important depth is. I think we did well to recruit some old-hands like Hoohaa, Francois Venter, Lionel Cronje. But I think this is where your feeder system really needs to work, and nobody can compete with the Stormers' conveyor belt of talent.
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assfly wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:39 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:33 pm I am not so confident like Handy. The Stormers have a nightmare tour coming up and will be without their Boks. The Saffer team to beat will be the Bulls.
Nonsense. The Stormers have sorted out their finances, and bridged the gap between the schools and clubs and playing for WP/Stormers (compared to how many they lose). I think their best years are in front of them, and they could come to dominate the URC.

The key to winning the URC will be winning your home games and picking up a couple of wins on tour and as many bonus points as possible. I think the Sharks are going to have a bad tour, but should be able to start building up points when back home.
The Bulls have much more experience now with the likes of Akker, Wilco Louw, Marcel Coetzee, Jannes Kirsten, Jaco van der Walt, Sergeal Petersen, Henry Immelman and Willie. Exciting Puma loans like Devon Williams and Sebastiaan de Klerk. There is no way the Stormers can compare to that.

Anyway, lets see, can look further then the next game. same recepy as the WC.
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assfly wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:06 pm
handyman wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:22 am My prediction for the Saffer sides this year:
Stormers
Bulls
Lions
Sharks
Rancid Handyman, absolutely rancid.
No bait, just a prediction. Which may be way of the mark.

What's your's?
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assfly wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:29 am
Stormers
Bulls
Lions
Zebra
Sharks
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:15 am The Bulls have much more experience now with the likes of Akker, Wilco Louw, Marcel Coetzee, Jannes Kirsten, Jaco van der Walt, Sergeal Petersen, Henry Immelman and Willie. Exciting Puma loans like Devon Williams and Sebastiaan de Klerk. There is no way the Stormers can compare to that.

Anyway, lets see, can look further then the next game. same recepy as the WC.
Akker (32), Wilco (29), Marcel (32), Jannes (29), Jaco (29), Sergal (29), Henry (28) and Willie (34) are no spring chickens and are journeymen.

Where are all the youngsters coming through from PBHS, Affies, Garsfontein, Waterkloof?
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Lets wait and see......playing against The Lions and barely getting the win is not the same as playing the top teams abroad.

If the Stormers are getting excited about that....well....lets see
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Sards wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:54 am Lets wait and see......playing against The Lions and barely getting the win is not the same as playing the top teams abroad.

If the Stormers are getting excited about that....well....lets see
In my books a win is better than a loss...
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:15 am
assfly wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:39 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:33 pm I am not so confident like Handy. The Stormers have a nightmare tour coming up and will be without their Boks. The Saffer team to beat will be the Bulls.
Nonsense. The Stormers have sorted out their finances, and bridged the gap between the schools and clubs and playing for WP/Stormers (compared to how many they lose). I think their best years are in front of them, and they could come to dominate the URC.

The key to winning the URC will be winning your home games and picking up a couple of wins on tour and as many bonus points as possible. I think the Sharks are going to have a bad tour, but should be able to start building up points when back home.
The Bulls have much more experience now with the likes of Akker, Wilco Louw, Marcel Coetzee, Jannes Kirsten, Jaco van der Walt, Sergeal Petersen, Henry Immelman and Willie. Exciting Puma loans like Devon Williams and Sebastiaan de Klerk. There is no way the Stormers can compare to that.

Anyway, lets see, can look further then the next game. same recepy as the WC.
They also have Jake White...
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handyman wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:19 am
Sards wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:54 am Lets wait and see......playing against The Lions and barely getting the win is not the same as playing the top teams abroad.

If the Stormers are getting excited about that....well....lets see
In my books a win is better than a loss...
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Lions > Munster away or at home
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Vs Embra
Lions: 15 Quan Horn, 14 Richard Kriel, 13 Henco van Wyk, 12 Marius Louw (captain), 11 Edwill van der Merwe, 10 Jordan Hendrikse, 9 Sanele Nohamba, 8 Francke Horn, 7 Ruan Venter, 6 Emmanuel Tshituka, 5 Darrien-Lane Landsberg, 4 Ruben Schoeman, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 PJ Botha, 1 Corne Fourie.
Replacements: 16 Jaco Visagie, 17 Morgan Naude, 18 Asenathi Ntlabakanye, 19 Willem Alberts, 20 Hanru Sirgel, 21 Morne van den Berg, 22 Rynhardt Jonker, 23 Andries Coetzee.

Date: Saturday, October 28
Venue: Edinburgh Rugby Stadium, Edinburgh
Kick-off: 17.00 (16.00 GMT; 18.00 SAST)
Referee: Chris Busby
Assistant referee: Jonny Perriam, Rob McDowell
TMO: Colin Stanley
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vs Ulster
Bulls: 15 Devon Williams, 14 Sebastian de Klerk, 13 David Kriel, 12 Cornal Hendricks, 11 Stravino Jacobs, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Cameron Hanekom, 7 Elrigh Louw, 6 Marcell Coetzee (co-captain), 5 Ruan Nortje (co-captain), 4 Ruan Vermaak, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Gerhard Steenekamp.
Replacements: 16 Akker van der Merwe, 17 Simphiwe Matanzima, 18 Mornay Smith, 19 Reinhardt Ludwig, 20 Nizaam Carr, 21 Zak Burger, 22 Chris Smith, 23 Stedman Gans.

Date: Sunday, October 29
Venue: Ravenhill Stadium, Belfast
Kick-off: 17.00 (17.00 GMT; 19.00 SAST)
Referee: Gianluca Gnecchi
Assistant referees: Andrew Cole, Robbie Jenkinson
TMO: Stefano Roscini
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Stormers: 15 Warrick Gelant, 14 Ben Loader, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu, 11 Leolin Zas, 10 Clayton Blommetjies, 9 Paul de Wet, 8 Evan Roos, 7 Hacjivah Dayimani, 6 Marcel Theunissen, 5 Ruben van Heerden, 4 Adre Smith, 3 Neethling Fouche (captain), 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Ali Vermaak.
Replacements: 16 Andre-Hugo Venter, 17 Sti Sithole, 18 Brok Harris, 19 Gary Porter, 20 Ben-Jason Dixon, 21 Nama Xaba, 22 Herschel Jantjies, 23 Courtnall Skosan.

Date: Saturday, October 28
Venue: Danie Craven, Stellenbosch
Kick-off: 16.00 (14.00 GMT; 15.00 UK and Ireland time)
Referee: Sam Grove-White
Assistant referees: Griffin Colby, Christopher Allison
TMO: Mike Adamson
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That man Xaba back in business.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:06 pm vs Ulster
Bulls: 15 Devon Williams, 14 Sebastian de Klerk, 13 David Kriel, 12 Cornal Hendricks, 11 Stravino Jacobs, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Cameron Hanekom, 7 Elrigh Louw, 6 Marcell Coetzee (co-captain), 5 Ruan Nortje (co-captain), 4 Ruan Vermaak, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Gerhard Steenekamp.
Replacements: 16 Akker van der Merwe, 17 Simphiwe Matanzima, 18 Mornay Smith, 19 Reinhardt Ludwig, 20 Nizaam Carr, 21 Zak Burger, 22 Chris Smith, 23 Stedman Gans.

Date: Sunday, October 29
Venue: Ravenhill Stadium, Belfast
Kick-off: 17.00 (17.00 GMT; 19.00 SAST)
Referee: Gianluca Gnecchi
Assistant referees: Andrew Cole, Robbie Jenkinson
TMO: Stefano Roscini
Ulster
(1-8) Andy Warwick, Tom Stewart, Tom O’Toole, Alan O’Connor (C), Kieran Treadwell, Dave Ewers, Dave McCann, Nick Timoney;

(15-9) Will Addison, Rob Baloucoune, James Hume, Jude Postlethwaite, Jacob Stockdale, Billy Burns, Nathan Doak.

Replacements: John Andrew, Callum Reid, Greg McGrath, Cormac Izuchukwu, Marcus Rea, Dave Shanahan, Stewart Moore, Mike Lowry.
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Sharks: 15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 Werner Kok, 13 Francois Venter (captain), 12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11 Marnus Potgieter, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Cameron Wright, 8 Phepsi Buthelezi, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 James Venter, 5 Emile van Heerden, 4 Corne Rahl, 3 Hanro Jacobs, 2. Kerron van Vuuren, 1 Ntuthuko Mchunu.
Replacements: 16 Dylan Richardson, 17 Dian Bleuler, 18 Khwezi Mona, 19 Hyron Andrews, 20 George Cronje, 21 Francois Hougaard, 22 Boeta Chamberlain, 23 Aphiwe Dyantyi.

Date: Saturday, October 28
Venue: RDS Arena, Dublin
Kick-off: 16.55 (15.55 GMT; 17.55 SAST)
Referee: Federico Vedovelli
Assistant referees: Joy Neville, Paul Haycock
TMO: Stefano Roscin

Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):
15. Ciarán Frawley (68)
14. Tommy O’Brien (25)
13. Jamie Osborne (31)
12. Charlie Ngatai (16)
11. Jordan Larmour (90)
10. Harry Byrne (52)
9. Cormac Foley (12)
1. Jack Boyle (3)
2. Lee Barron (8)
3. Michael Ala’alatoa (47)
4. Ross Molony (163)
5. Jason Jenkins (20)
6. Rhys Ruddock (222)
7. Scott Penny (57) CAPTAIN
8. Max Deegan (99)

Replacements:
16. Dylan Donnellan (0)
17. Paddy McCarthy (1)
18. Rory McGuire (1)
19. Brian Deeny (14)
20. Will Connors (37)
21. Ben Murphy (3)
22. Sam Prendergast (3)
23. Rob Russell (18)
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:14 pm Stormers: 15 Warrick Gelant, 14 Ben Loader, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu, 11 Leolin Zas, 10 Clayton Blommetjies, 9 Paul de Wet, 8 Evan Roos, 7 Hacjivah Dayimani, 6 Marcel Theunissen, 5 Ruben van Heerden, 4 Adre Smith, 3 Neethling Fouche (captain), 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Ali Vermaak.
Replacements: 16 Andre-Hugo Venter, 17 Sti Sithole, 18 Brok Harris, 19 Gary Porter, 20 Ben-Jason Dixon, 21 Nama Xaba, 22 Herschel Jantjies, 23 Courtnall Skosan.

Date: Saturday, October 28
Venue: Danie Craven, Stellenbosch
Kick-off: 16.00 (14.00 GMT; 15.00 UK and Ireland time)
Referee: Sam Grove-White
Assistant referees: Griffin Colby, Christopher Allison
TMO: Mike Adamson
Scarlets: 15 Johnny McNicholl, 14 Tom Rogers, 13 Joe Roberts, 12 Jonathan Davies (captain), 11 Ryan Conbeer, 10 Ioan Lloyd, 9 Kieran Hardy, 8 Carwyn Tuipulotu, 7 Dan Davis, 6 Taine Plumtree, 5 Morgan Jones, 4 Alex Craig, 3 Sam Wainwright, 2 Shaun Evans, 1 Kemsley Mathias.
Replacements: 16 Isaac Young, 17 Wyn Jones, 18 Harri O’Connor, 19 Jac Price, 20 Ben Williams, 21 Archie Hughes, 22 Charlie Titcombe, 23 Eddie James.
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Going to miss the Sharks match. Halloween walk with the youngsters. Then off to a braai for the bok game. No chance at all to watch
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Ospreys getting reamed again at the start of their match 0 - 12 with less than 10 mins gone
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fishfoodie wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:13 pm Ospreys getting reamed again at the start of their match 0 - 12 with less than 10 mins gone
Pani has a bit of a boot on him!
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When will Zebre sort their bloody defense out
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It never happen in Soup rugby having two Saffer teams the same time. Tonight it's Sharks and Lions. Next week all our teams are up north.
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12-0 after 12
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I wonder how far up the table Zebre can get losing every match with two bonus points ?
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