So, coronavirus...

[Biffer]

Got it again a couple of weeks ago. This time round I lost my ability to taste though. It sucks balls, some people say it took them months to get it back? I work in the liquor manufacturing industry, as well as hospitality (couple of restaurants etc). So having no ability to taste really messes things up for quality control and r&d. Stupid covid, bad covid.

Took a mate of mine in the USA at least six months of everything tasting like cardboard.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Got it again a couple of weeks ago. This time round I lost my ability to taste though. It sucks balls, some people say it took them months to get it back? I work in the liquor manufacturing industry, as well as hospitality (couple of restaurants etc). So having no ability to taste really messes things up for quality control and r&d. Stupid covid, bad covid.

Took a mate of mine in the USA at least six months of everything tasting like cardboard.

I wouldn't say I taste cardboard, I just taste ...nothing. I can slightly taste salt and/or pepper profiles. But everything else is just gone. It's horrible. I hope I don't have to wait 6 months I told my wife the other day that whatever she loves to cook and eat (and I hate) now is the time. To which she very quickly started with doing a cauliflower and broccoli bake. It was one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had in my life, I sat there eating something I know would usually make me gag, but I just ate it. No reaction. My life is ruined.

[dpedin]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

[Biffer]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

[Slick]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

[Biffer]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

[Line6 HXFX]

Didn't want to mention this whilst I was sick..Dad got it whilst I had it... (91). Honestly thought that was it for him. Thought if it hit him anywhere anywhere nearly as hard as it hit me, then he will definately buy the farm... phoned GP straight away, they got him on anti viral meds (he was vaccinated recently), and I took him off some of his other tablets as instructed...and I monitored his blood pressure temperature like a hawk (whilst I was sick with covid...talk about the sick treating the sick).

He pulled through well, and it was just like a heavy cold with him. The Paxlovid anti viral treatment really did the trick.

[Sandstorm]

Didn't want to mention this whilst I was sick..Dad got it whilst I had it... (91). Honestly thought that was it for him. Thought if it hit him anywhere anywhere nearly as hard as it hit me, then he will definately buy the farm... phoned GP straight away, they got him on anti viral meds (he was vaccinated recently), and I took him off some of his other tablets as instructed...and I monitored his blood pressure temperature like a hawk (whilst I was sick with covid...talk about the sick treating the sick).

He pulled through well, and it was just like a heavy cold with him. The Paxlovid anti viral treatment really did the trick.

[dpedin]

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

As usual these data are very complex and can be interpreted in a number of different ways given all the factors involved. However it will be interesting to see the research and what emerges over the next months/years around effectiveness of vaccines. The one I liked was the evidence that suggested that lower vaccination rates in Red states compared with Blue states in the US led to higher death rates amongst republicans v democrats.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617

[dpedin]

Booked in for covid booster and flu jab on 22nd September here in Embra. Got email last week and booked online - simples!

[Ymx]

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

As usual these data are very complex and can be interpreted in a number of different ways given all the factors involved. However it will be interesting to see the research and what emerges over the next months/years around effectiveness of vaccines. The one I liked was the evidence that suggested that lower vaccination rates in Red states compared with Blue states in the US led to higher death rates amongst republicans v democrats.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617

Yes, and I think that was the case for the earlier strains.

Omicron it appears different.

Was the recent ONS data that 95% of deaths were of those vaccinated.

Our vaccination rate is less than that, which suggests disproportionate number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid, over those unvaccinated.

The fact that unvaccinated have antibodies is a good thing for anti-vaxers, no? I mean 99.5% of all the population have them anyway.

The insinuation with the above data was that the vaccine was harmful to chances of surviving COVID.

That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m going to dig out that report. I never checked it myself.

[Ymx]

I guess this is the report.

Will check it later against the 95% claim

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... tusengland

[Biffer]

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

As usual these data are very complex and can be interpreted in a number of different ways given all the factors involved. However it will be interesting to see the research and what emerges over the next months/years around effectiveness of vaccines. The one I liked was the evidence that suggested that lower vaccination rates in Red states compared with Blue states in the US led to higher death rates amongst republicans v democrats.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617

Yes, and I think that was the case for the earlier strains.

Omicron it appears different.

Was the recent ONS data that 95% of deaths were of those vaccinated.

Our vaccination rate is less than that, which suggests disproportionate number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid, over those unvaccinated.

The fact that unvaccinated have antibodies is a good thing for anti-vaxers, no? I mean 99.5% of all the population have them anyway.

The insinuation with the above data was that the vaccine was harmful to chances of surviving COVID.

That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m going to dig out that report. I never checked it myself.

That maths is wrong. Level of deaths is still higher amongst unvaccinated, as per the graph above. The gap has closed substantially as unvaxxed have been exposed but that exposure hade been more dangerous than the vaccine, as per that graph. As you'd expect.

Antibodies are only a part of it, the more important parts are probably other parts of the immune system

[Ymx]

It sounded wrong to me.

Have you checked the numbers?

What is the percentage?

[Biffer]

It's in the graph further up the page

[Ymx]

It's in the graph further up the page

Ahhh, got it.

Is that ASMR ?

Edit: yes, can see that on the y axis label.

[Ymx]

Never been one for the flu vaccine. Probably will when I’m older though.

Would rather my immune system keeps fit and my body response copes with illness whilst it’s not dangerous to me. When I hit mid to late seventies I’ll very likely take it though. ie when it starts feeling dangerous to mortality.

[Ymx]

If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

[dpedin]

If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

All vaccines do are give your own immune system a kick start against covid, flu and other diseases/viruses. They just save you having to go through the hassle and indeed risk for some of getting the actual virus.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

All vaccines do are give your own immune system a kick start against covid, flu and other diseases/viruses. They just save you having to go through the hassle and indeed risk for some of getting the actual virus.

Vaccines aren't zero risk. You have to balance the risk from the vaccine vs risk from the illness. Particularly for COVID, this changes with age by a massive amount.

[dpedin]

If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

All vaccines do are give your own immune system a kick start against covid, flu and other diseases/viruses. They just save you having to go through the hassle and indeed risk for some of getting the actual virus.

Vaccines aren't zero risk. You have to balance the risk from the vaccine vs risk from the illness. Particularly for COVID, this changes with age by a massive amount.

Don't disagree - this is true for all vaccines as you say. However, without wanting to open up all the old and tired debates, I thought it was now widely accepted, given all the evidence available world wide, that any risk from the covid vaccine was very much outweighed by the risks of catching covid even in younger adults - see attached. Children are a different cohort of course.

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2023/03/27/asse ... ng-people/

[Line6 HXFX]

In the guitar world there is an ongoing battle between people who love valve amps and people who love modelling.
This debate is going to go on and on and on and on, not because modelling is just fucking better, and people with thousands of quids worth of valve amps can see the value of their stuff tanking...but because having the anti modelling position allows you to enter a community.
6 years ago, modelling won. Line 6 Helix. But the anti modelling people are just as verciferous and just as nasty. I think of them as kids who's parents bought them a Marshall stack at 14 and they became popular in school.

It is nice being in a community of like minded (even wrong) people.......but when doing so fucking kills people?




'As the U.S. nears one million deaths from COVID-19, analysis finds nearly a third of those deaths could have been prevented".

[Calculon]

Two years ago today that people were calling for lockdowns and implementing travels bans because of Omicron

[Ymx]

Two years ago today that people were calling for lockdowns and implementing travels bans because of Omicron

Yes, and there was a lot of handwringing about it on this thread.

[Ymx]

Here’s a little walk down memory lane

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... tart=12720


Has anyone heard from JM2K6 ?

It just occurred to me he’s not posted for some time!

….

Edit: yes, it’s been a month with nothing from him.

[Ymx]

And Torq too?

[sockwithaticket]

My brother has contracted the 'vid again, apparently it's going round in a big way at the moment. He says it's kicking his arse far worse than when he had it previously between first and second vaccines.

[fishfoodie]

My brother has contracted the 'vid again, apparently it's going round in a big way at the moment. He says it's kicking his arse far worse than when he had it previously between first and second vaccines.

Thanks for the reminder !

I keep on getting the email reminders that I'm due another shot, but now I must pop up to my local pharmacy to & arrange a time.

[sockwithaticket]

My brother has contracted the 'vid again, apparently it's going round in a big way at the moment. He says it's kicking his arse far worse than when he had it previously between first and second vaccines.

Thanks for the reminder !

I keep on getting the email reminders that I'm due another shot, but now I must pop up to my local pharmacy to & arrange a time.

Glad his misfortune is useful for someone. All it's done for me is blow up my phone with texts from mum who's in a tizzy about whether he'll be non-infectious in time to join us all at the parental home for Christmas.

Also serves as a reminder that it's been a fair old time since my booster and that I'm too young to get another. Can't believe it's not even an option to get one privately.

[Kiwias]

My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

[Gumboot]

My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

Damn, that sounds horrible. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.

I have nothing but the utmost admiration for health workers who have been putting themselves in harm's way during the past few years. True heroes.

Just had another booster, so my 6th jab in total. I know it's inevitable I'll get it (along with everyone else), so can only hope it's not too rough...

[Enzedder]

It is fair sweeping the country with all of the Christmas parties, crowded malls and cafes and school kids having sleepovers with their mates prior to heading away for Christmas holidays.

So far I have dodged it but I doubt I will be so lucky this time as we will be quite active over the next few weeks,

[Guy Smiley]

My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

I dodged it until earlier this year... and it has knobs all over it. Among the many and varied symptoms I copped was a re-emergence of all the sensations of nerve damage I suffered when I smacked my skull up and lacerated my face in 2014. I lost feeling in my teeth again and had all the pain / tingling across my face. What the hell. It's a bizarre virus.

I'm kinda glad to be working nights this week and thus avoiding all social contact. I did my shopping in a scurried hurry the other day, staying as far away as I could from anyone shuffling and snuffling.

[Kiwias]

My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

Damn, that sounds horrible. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.

I have nothing but the utmost admiration for health workers who have been putting themselves in harm's way during the past few years. True heroes.

Just had another booster, so my 6th jab in total. I know it's inevitable I'll get it (along with everyone else), so can only hope it's not too rough...

He had the lot: loss of taste, sore joints, headaches, high temperature, all-over feeling lethargic, hard to sleep, scalp feeling impossibly itchy for two days.....

I talked to him yesterday and he is back at work now, symptoms all gone.

[Gumboot]

He had the lot: loss of taste, sore joints, headaches, high temperature, all-over feeling lethargic, hard to sleep, scalp feeling impossibly itchy for two days.....

I talked to him yesterday and he is back at work now, symptoms all gone.

Sounds like he's (hopefully) dodged long covid.

[Enzedder]

My daughter really struggles to recover from her bout 18 months ago. She completed the Queenstown marathon last month but over an hour slower than her last time there as she still struggles with fatigue that comes on quite early now.

She is hoping to do a full Ironman in just over a year but I just cannot see it happening.

[Tichtheid]

I have Long Covid, it presents very much like ME, chronic fatigue, lack of focus and ability to concentrate for anything more than half an hour, then there are breathing difficulties, anxiety and stress, but I seem to have it in a much milder form than others. The breathing difficulties are a pain in arse, but they come and go, the brain fog is a real nuisance.

The NHS Covid recovery team have put me on a programme with English National Opera to learn their breathing techniques for singing, I start early in the New Year and I'm really looking forward to it

[assfly]

I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

[sockwithaticket]

I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

There's still regular flu that can match those symptoms. Last spring I got quite ill and thought my streak of avoiding covid had come to an end, but the three tests I took across a couple of days were negative, it was normal flu making me feel dreadful.

[Sandstorm]

I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

There's still regular flu that can match those symptoms. Last spring I got quite ill and thought my streak of avoiding covid had come to an end, but the three tests I took across a couple of days were negative, it was normal flu making me feel dreadful.

And if your URC Team has lost 6 out of 7 games this season