Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Rachel Reeves getting into bed with big business.
Mark Carney and the head of Barclays part of Labours plan to spearhead investment plans for the UK.

Pretty smart to get business on board not to frighten the City or the Shires.
Very bland and boring all the way.
I may not like the direction but can see why they are doing it.
The polls are pretty steady atm hopefully the Tories will be decimated and big tactical votes should do that.

What I want to know is how much scope Starmer has a a reshuffle. He hardly dislikes Reeves, but he's also to the left of Reeves and keener on spending, but given his talking about the importance of female leaders in the party and any support base Reeves has it might not be an easy call to put her in another post after the election

I'd also like to know how much will Starmer dislike being disliked, That may speed his desire for a more compliant Chancellor

[I like neeps]

How do you think institutional landlords will determine rent increases?

Their long term models that dictate their target rate of return and not letting agents telling them they could increase at every opportunity.

Agent’s suggest increases when current rent sits below market. Neither Agens nor landlords benefit from property sitting empty due to being priced above market. Suggesting large corporates wont turn the screws at every opportunity possible is painting quite the fantasy.

Well, look at Germany - they have rents increasing across the country. The largest institutional landlord - Vonovia - are talking about increasing in the future if the inflation carries on. They haven't yet, because they just have to meet a low % increase that their models demand.

They have what 50+ years to consider on these investments when considering returns and that is what the financing and rental values are based on. Not annual chasing of of inflation. It's an entirely different business case to your mom and pop 3 property landlords run by Chancellors.

[SaintK]

30p on the move by the looks

Lee Anderson being removed from Tory Whatsapp groups as per @SamCoatesSky ahead of defection to Reform UK
There’s already bad blood. One Tory MP: ‘Lee is on his third political party in six years. I don’t think he’s going to move the dial for them.

[tabascoboy]

Seems confirmed ( to the surprise of...no-one really!). They truly deserve each other...

[SaintK]

Seems confirmed ( to the surprise of...no-one really!). They truly deserve each other...

I wonder if his mates are joining him there?

[tabascoboy]

What a difference a few weeks make....

[fishfoodie]

I wonder does 30p know the intended date for the GE ?

[Lobby]

What a difference a few weeks make....

Not the first time 30p has been a hypocrite. Before accepting a salary of £100k from GBNews, he said MPs shouldn't be allowed to take second jobs. He has also refused to stand down as an MP now he's switched parties, despite previously backing an unsuccessful bid to let constituents trigger a by-election when their MP changes parties.

[SaintK]

This hasn't aged too well. Just about everything Sunak touches turns to rat shit!!!!

[tabascoboy]

That's the way, keep fighting among yourselves. The "New" Conservatives of course being almost as barking as 30p Lee

'Responsibility for Lee's defection sits with the Conservative Party. We have failed to hold together the coalition of voters who gave us an 80 seat majority

'We cannot pretend any longer that the plan is working. We need to change course urgently'

[fishfoodie]

This hasn't aged too well. Just about everything Sunak touches turns to rat shit!!!!

Oh I think 30p was rat shit long before he even knew who the Head boy was.

[Lobby]

This hasn't aged too well. Just about everything Sunak touches turns to rat shit!!!!

Oh I think 30p was rat shit long before he even knew who the Head boy was.

Labour's response says it all:

"What does it say about Rishi Sunak’s judgement that he promoted Lee Anderson in the first place?

The truth is that the prime minister is too weak to lead a party too extreme to be led."

[fishfoodie]

This hasn't aged too well. Just about everything Sunak touches turns to rat shit!!!!

Oh I think 30p was rat shit long before he even knew who the Head boy was.

Labour's response says it all:

"What does it say about Rishi Sunak’s judgement that he promoted Lee Anderson in the first place?

The truth is that the prime minister is too weak to lead a party too extreme to be led."

I'd go back in further; what does it say about the Tory Party that 30p got selected in the first place ?

It confirms what we already knew about the membership, & how it's closer to the MAGA base than anything else.

Reform are going for the Tory membership, & they see 30p as a useful way of appealing to them.

[petej]

That's the way, keep fighting among yourselves. The "New" Conservatives of course being almost as barking as 30p Lee

'Responsibility for Lee's defection sits with the Conservative Party. We have failed to hold together the coalition of voters who gave us an 80 seat majority

'We cannot pretend any longer that the plan is working. We need to change course urgently'

There was never really a coalition to hold together. More a combination of factors: corbyn, libdems and Labour fighting against each other, farage's party standing down, brexit, Johnson, fptp. Corbyn has gone, libdems and Labour not working against each other, brexit is pretty much widely acknowledged as an awful mistake, like his former wives and lovers the country has realised after being fucked that Johnson is full of shit, this time fptp will not be so favourable to them.

[sockwithaticket]

New Conservatives would be one of these dozen groups that all share the same handful of MPs as their members, yeah?

[tabascoboy]

New Conservatives would be one of these dozen groups that all share the same handful of MPs as their members, yeah?

Well, 30p Lee and Jonathan Gullis are/were "New Conservatives", all "Red Wall" and no doubt shitting themselves over the prospects of losing their seats this year

[I like neeps]

I expect we'll continue to hear about the continued radicalisation of politics and this will be used s a clear example of that. No? I'm shocked.

[SaintK]

The full story here. Donated £10M to Torys in the past 12 months. I'm sure there must have been full due diligence!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ck-women

[dpedin]

We all know that in 12 months time if we wander by accident into a shitty Wetherspoons boozer in Ashfield (I presume there must be one?) one Tuesday lunchtime there will be a slightly drunken man at the end of the bar, next to the stinking gents toilet, drinking a pint of cheap lager in a shirt with gravy stains down its front telling a racist joke in a voice loud enough for the whole pub to hear and shouting to everyone as they come in the door 'Do you know who I am, do you know who the feck I am?'. He will proclaim he is only there for a quick pint before the local branch meeting of the Reclaim Party upstairs in the function room but is waiting for the Ashfield WeightWatchers Club Meeting to finish. Even the locals give him a wide berth apart from the old guy with no teeth, early onset dementia and the dog on the lead which has fleas who keeps asking him to 'tell me again how many red wines Boris could neck in an evening session'. This will be 30p Lee living the high life on his MP pension once GBabiesNews has ditched him and he lost all his cash buying shares in the Reform Party Ltd which went into liquidation with huge losses after the 2024 General Election.

[C69]

The full story here. Donated £10M to Torys in the past 12 months. I'm sure there must have been full due diligence!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ck-women

The Party really is a cess pit of racism and hate.
They will be under massive pressure to give the money back now.

[Tichtheid]

There is an item on the news just now about vet fees and how insurance doesn’t cover a lot of conditions meaning that people are left will bills in the thousands

So far no one has made the connection with the fact this is what the Tories want for general health care.

They didn’t make the connection when the subject of the lack of NHS dental treatment came up in the last few weeks either.

[yermum]

The full story here. Donated £10M to Torys in the past 12 months. I'm sure there must have been full due diligence!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ck-women

The Party really is a cess pit of racism and hate.
They will be under massive pressure to give the money back now.

Not a chance they will return the money

[dpedin]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

[fishfoodie]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

It can always get worse

Tice might be full of shit with his claim they're in discussions with nine Tory MPs, but Sunak can't be sure, & dog knows there are plenty of racist malcontents who would slot in wonderfully alongside 30p.

[Slick]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

The Private Eye podcast were absolutely speechless at how bad Sunak is at politics, with this being only the latest evidence

[Harveys]

Their long term models that dictate their target rate of return and not letting agents telling them they could increase at every opportunity.

Agent’s suggest increases when current rent sits below market. Neither Agens nor landlords benefit from property sitting empty due to being priced above market. Suggesting large corporates wont turn the screws at every opportunity possible is painting quite the fantasy.

Well, look at Germany - they have rents increasing across the country. The largest institutional landlord - Vonovia - are talking about increasing in the future if the inflation carries on. They haven't yet, because they just have to meet a low % increase that their models demand.

They have what 50+ years to consider on these investments when considering returns and that is what the financing and rental values are based on. Not annual chasing of of inflation. It's an entirely different business case to your mom and pop 3 property landlords run by Chancellors.

Ok so your suggesting large corporations take over with “models” of 50 year low slow growth returns? Seriously?
If the government won’t manage affordable housing on crown land then its up to the market to provide it.
I’m not buying the talk of mum & dad investors being the problem at all.

[tabascoboy]

The full story here. Donated £10M to Torys in the past 12 months. I'm sure there must have been full due diligence!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ck-women

The Party really is a cess pit of racism and hate.
They will be under massive pressure to give the money back now.

"Move along, nothing to see here..."

Diane Abbott has said comments allegedly made by a top Tory donor that the MP made him "want to hate all black women" and that she needed "to be shot" were "frightening".

Britain's longest-serving black MP said the "fact that two MPs have been murdered in recent years makes talk like this all the more alarming".

According to the Guardian, Frank Hester made the comments at a meeting in 2019.

Mr Hester has apologised for making "rude" comments about Ms Abbott.

But he said his remarks "had nothing to do with her gender nor colour of skin".

[Lobby]

The full story here. Donated £10M to Torys in the past 12 months. I'm sure there must have been full due diligence!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ck-women

The Party really is a cess pit of racism and hate.
They will be under massive pressure to give the money back now.

"Move along, nothing to see here..."

Diane Abbott has said comments allegedly made by a top Tory donor that the MP made him "want to hate all black women" and that she needed "to be shot" were "frightening".

Britain's longest-serving black MP said the "fact that two MPs have been murdered in recent years makes talk like this all the more alarming".

According to the Guardian, Frank Hester made the comments at a meeting in 2019.

Mr Hester has apologised for making "rude" comments about Ms Abbott.

But he said his remarks "had nothing to do with her gender nor colour of skin".

Hester and his Tory apologists seem to be the sort of people who think its absolutely fine to make extremely racists comments as long as you preface them with "I'm not a racist but....."

I'm reminded of some TV footage I saw a few months ago of a Met Policeman in the 70s explaining to representatives from the Black and Asian communities that it wasn't racist when police referred to them as 'c**ns', 'n*g n*gs and 'p*k*s' as that was just banter and the words ordinary policemen used to describe them and they had no reason to be offended by them.

[I like neeps]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

Could have been 4D chess from Starmer.

Or could be he and the speaker undermined the constitution to scratch the SNP opposition day debate for fears of violence towards MPs (Labour being embarrassed by a rebellion that voted for the SNPs motion) a few days before that speech and to disagree with him would've been eh bold. We'll never know!

[tabascoboy]

The Party really is a cess pit of racism and hate.
They will be under massive pressure to give the money back now.

"Move along, nothing to see here..."

Hester and his Tory apologists seem to be the sort of people who think its absolutely fine to make extremely racists comments as long as you preface them with "I'm not a racist but....."

I'm reminded of some TV footage I saw a few months ago of a Met Policeman in the 70s explaining to representatives from the Black and Asian communities that it wasn't racist when police referred to them as 'c**ns', 'n*g n*gs and 'p*k*s' as that was just banter and the words ordinary policemen used to describe them and they had no reason to be offended by them.

Well, he's apologised now, so that presumably means no further action from the Tories and all is good for them - I expect they're still working on a way they can keep the donations though...

[Slick]

The full story here. Donated £10M to Torys in the past 12 months. I'm sure there must have been full due diligence!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ck-women

The Party really is a cess pit of racism and hate.
They will be under massive pressure to give the money back now.

"Move along, nothing to see here..."

Diane Abbott has said comments allegedly made by a top Tory donor that the MP made him "want to hate all black women" and that she needed "to be shot" were "frightening".

Britain's longest-serving black MP said the "fact that two MPs have been murdered in recent years makes talk like this all the more alarming".

According to the Guardian, Frank Hester made the comments at a meeting in 2019.

Mr Hester has apologised for making "rude" comments about Ms Abbott.

But he said his remarks "had nothing to do with her gender nor colour of skin".

Marland is an absolute cunt of a man. He was on the Commonwealth gravy train for a long time and we used to cringe at his speeches where he patronised the various African groups who wouldn’t want anything to do with him.

[SaintK]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

Could have been 4D chess from Starmer.

Or could be he and the speaker undermined the constitution to scratch the SNP opposition day debate for fears of violence towards MPs (Labour being embarrassed by a rebellion that voted for the SNPs motion) a few days before that speech and to disagree with him would've been eh bold. We'll never know!

Wibble wibble!

[I like neeps]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

Could have been 4D chess from Starmer.

Or could be he and the speaker undermined the constitution to scratch the SNP opposition day debate for fears of violence towards MPs (Labour being embarrassed by a rebellion that voted for the SNPs motion) a few days before that speech and to disagree with him would've been eh bold. We'll never know!

Wibble wibble!

Very disappointing, someone up who is rightfully disappointed when the Tories play constitutional shenanigans will give Labour a free pass for playing constitutional shenanigans.

Think about it, I know a lot of the English don't mind that the SNP motion wasn't voted on (in a clear disregard for the constitution) because a party leader interfered with the speaker. But if Starmer had convinced Hoyle to pull it (which Hoyle apologised for, because it was wrong) on the reasoning "MPs are in danger" and then Starmer decided to disagree with Sunak days later whose marquee speech was that MPs are in danger and he had no reason to say that to Hoyle. He'd have looked like at best a fool. Or not, to those who are fingers in ears la la la I'm not listening Tories bad.

[SaintK]

Could have been 4D chess from Starmer.

Or could be he and the speaker undermined the constitution to scratch the SNP opposition day debate for fears of violence towards MPs (Labour being embarrassed by a rebellion that voted for the SNPs motion) a few days before that speech and to disagree with him would've been eh bold. We'll never know!

Wibble wibble!

Very disappointing, someone up who is rightfully disappointed when the Tories play constitutional shenanigans will give Labour a free pass for playing constitutional shenanigans.

Think about it, I know a lot of the English don't mind that the SNP motion wasn't voted on (in a clear disregard for the constitution) because a party leader interfered with the speaker. But if Starmer had convinced Hoyle to pull it (which Hoyle apologised for, because it was wrong) on the reasoning "MPs are in danger" and then Starmer decided to disagree with Sunak days later whose marquee speech was that MPs are in danger and he had no reason to say that to Hoyle. He'd have looked like at best a fool. Or not, to those who are fingers in ears la la la I'm not listening Tories bad.

I am listening and you're right.The Tories are very, very bad and are absolutely fucking over the country I love and have lived in for 70 years.
Can't wait for most of them to lose their (supposedly main) jobs to be honest. And I will delight in voting Labour for the first time in my life to hget rid of the bastards.

[Hal Jordan]

Badenoch has emerged and said it's racist.

No word on whether the £10m is going back.

[dpedin]

After the Squatter Sunak stood outside No10 that Friday evening to make his extraordinary speech about extremism and folk got angry when Starmer said he agreed with the sentiment some folk were angry but I suggested that Starmer was being smart and would use this against the Tories in the future. Well guess what ... here is exactly the right time to quote Sunak's words back at him and to push for the racist donor's money to be returned or given to charity. Starmer knew there was more than enough shit in the tory house of something like this to emerge and here it is. For their major donor to suggest a black female Labour MP should be shot is beyond the pale. Sunak and his acolytes will regret the day they decided to go low in the run up in this general election.

The week is going well for Sunak - first 30p Lee defecting and now a racist misogynistic donor. I wonder what Wednesday will bring?

Could have been 4D chess from Starmer.

Or could be he and the speaker undermined the constitution to scratch the SNP opposition day debate for fears of violence towards MPs (Labour being embarrassed by a rebellion that voted for the SNPs motion) a few days before that speech and to disagree with him would've been eh bold. We'll never know!

Wibble wibble!

It was hardly chess let alone 3D or even 4D chess from Starmer if even I saw the hole that Sunak was digging for himself. Starmer merely gave him a bigger spade to keep digging with! This stuff about Hester goes back 4-5 years so it is highly likely that someone in the Labour Party knew of its existence and couldn't believe their luck when Sunak set himself up and all they needed was to spring the trap with the help of some Grauniad journalists. Oh and there will be other similar shit from within the Tory Party to hit the fan make no mistake about it.

Attempts to tie together the Sunak speech that Friday evening and Starmer let him walk straight into the pothole with the shenanigans around the SNP vote are misplaced. Sunak has shown the political nous of a brain damaged woodworm and his own words are coming back to haunt him now, I am not sure he can brave this one out given some of his own Cabinet are now saying Hesters comments were racist and sexist. Looks like the £10m will either have to go back or else given to charity. Hoisted by his own petard - what a twat!

The Tories will regret their decision to go low this GE!

[sturginho]

We can’t cancel anybody from participation in public life, or indeed donating to parties, because they said something intemperate and wrong in their past.

It’s not my decision, but I do welcome those who support the Conservative party

Someone should have asked if he'd welcome a donation from Azhar Ali if that's the case. Or is he the wrong kind of racist?

[C69]

Sunak is thick as shit.
Reform are reaping the rewards every time he backtracks after he and his ministers defend racists only to have others in the Party call out the racists and then back track.

[tabascoboy]

Guess they finally decided after Badenoch forced their hands

The government's position on Mr Hester's alleged remarks has zigzagged all day.

Ministers first thing said the comments were "unacceptable" but wouldn't describe them as "racist" or "sexist".

And neither would Downing Street.

Then the Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch outflanked the prime minister and said they were.

Downing Street held its line. That is, until it didn't - when at 18:30 on Tuesday evening they changed their mind, and said they were racist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68548389

[fishfoodie]

Guess they finally decided after Badenoch forced their hands

The government's position on Mr Hester's alleged remarks has zigzagged all day.

Ministers first thing said the comments were "unacceptable" but wouldn't describe them as "racist" or "sexist".

And neither would Downing Street.

Then the Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch outflanked the prime minister and said they were.

Downing Street held its line. That is, until it didn't - when at 18:30 on Tuesday evening they changed their mind, and said they were racist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68548389

And that was her objective all along. She has her eyes on leading whatever shell of a party is left when the Head boy pisses off to the US.

Oh to be a fly on the wall for his meeting with the back benchers; will they want an early GE, or to push it out as far as possible & pray for a miracle, because the Budget didn't even register with the electorate, & the polling trend line is only going down, so every months delay is probably another few seats lost ....