Stop voting for fucking Tories

[C69]

The RCN has just rejected the. 5.5% pay offer
Not a good few months for Labour

[SaintK]

She's batshit

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The RCN has just rejected the. 5.5% pay offer
Not a good few months for Labour

They've just come into government with a whopping majority and whilst they've fumbled some decisions and some crafting of the message on balance they should happily take it after the last 15 years, and if they can't consider that good just how manic depressive are they all?

Not a surprise the RCN feel they should be getting the same as the junior doctors, and this is one of the downsides to the deals already agreed upon, but there's a cost to not making those deals too, really you're just not going to get only the decisions you want, and only positives arising from those decisions, you're going to have to eat some shit sandwiches along the way

[Rhubarb & Custard]

But, but, but, "he's a great bloke to have a beer and fag with"!

He always seems one of those first through the pub door last to the bar types

[dpedin]

The RCN has just rejected the. 5.5% pay offer
Not a good few months for Labour

They've just come into government with a whopping majority and whilst they've fumbled some decisions and some crafting of the message on balance they should happily take it after the last 15 years, and if they can't consider that good just how manic depressive are they all?

Not a surprise the RCN feel they should be getting the same as the junior doctors, and this is one of the downsides to the deals already agreed upon, but there's a cost to not making those deals too, really you're just not going to get only the decisions you want, and only positives arising from those decisions, you're going to have to eat some shit sandwiches along the way

No great surprise that public sector unions that have seen wages eroded under Tories want to see some real term increases. Im not sure they are looking for what the junior docs got, they have all seen different real term decreases in wages over the years, but something needs to be does to stop the haemorrhaging of qualified staff.

It is going to take a year or two for Labour to untangle and deal with the absolute shithouse they have inherited and they will annoy a few along the way but they dont really have much choice!

[TedMaul]

But, but, but, "he's a great bloke to have a beer and fag with"!

He always seems one of those first through the pub door last to the bar types

No worse accusation than that to a drinksman.

[GrahamWa]

She's batshit

And she arranges her library in colour order, just to confirm it.

[Sandstorm]

She's batshit

And she arranges her library in colour order, just to confirm it.

[SaintK]

.....and a further lurch to the right for the Speccie following the buy out by Paul Marshall. Next stop The Torygraph?

The former cabinet minister Michael Gove has been named as the new editor of the Spectator magazine, weeks after the GB News backer Sir Paul Marshall completed a £100m takeover of the politically right-leaning magazine.
Gove, who will take over from Fraser Nelson on 4 October, will be joined by the former Daily Telegraph and Spectator editor Charles Moore who has been named as chair.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... takeover

[Rhubarb & Custard]

£6 a magazine, I wonder how much advertising space is on sales below 100k to make a business worth £100 million?

[fishfoodie]

£6 a magazine, I wonder how much advertising space is on sales below 100k to make a business worth £100 million?

If everyone who buys your magazine is already voting Tory, whats the fucking point of it ?

[Biffer]

£6 a magazine, I wonder how much advertising space is on sales below 100k to make a business worth £100 million?

If everyone who buys your magazine is already voting Tory, whats the fucking point of it ?

The broadcast media is still led by what’s being reported in the print media. Until that link is broken, things like the spectator and telegraph will have undue influence and as such will be owned by very wealthy people with agendas they need served.

[vball]

Currently read the Torygraph and Gruniard.
Used to read Economist, Time and Newsweek.
Also watch BBC and Channel 4 news.
So might give it a go. Just another side of the news.

[fishfoodie]

Currently read the Torygraph and Gruniard.
Used to read Economist, Time and Newsweek.
Also watch BBC and Channel 4 news.
So might give it a go. Just another side of the news.

News isn't really supposed to have a side; it's supposed to be a reporting of "facts", & then outside of the News, some editorial comment.

The death of MSM is because people have woken up to the people producing it have applied more side than Muralitharan could even apply.

It's annoying that now we have to seek "balance", by putting a half-dozen liberal sources of news on one side, & any one of the right-wing rags on the other to achieve this.

[vball]

I would suggest the left-wing, liberal woe is me, is as much fact less, as the right-wing tribal chanting.

Unless you are there and have a good understanding of what is going on, you need somebody else to interpret and report it.

[Slick]

£6 a magazine, I wonder how much advertising space is on sales below 100k to make a business worth £100 million?

They were talking about it on the Private Eye podcast. They have a US edition that does well and have an events and conferences bit attached that is a good earner, amongst other things.

[sturginho]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

[lemonhead]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

Hadn't really followed her trajectory and wasn't in on the hate.

But some fairly dumb comments on maternity alright, unless she actually wants the birthrate going down. Oh, and not everyone gets a near six figure salary and an investment banker husband, love.

[I like neeps]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

Hadn't really followed her trajectory and wasn't in on the hate.

But some fairly dumb comments on maternity alright, unless she actually wants the birthrate going down. Oh, and not everyone gets a near six figure salary and an investment banker husband, love.

She seems to be advocating for women to return to being housewives. She could be too dumb to realise that's why there was lower maternity pay and higher birthrates.

[SaintK]

Yep! That's probably cost her dearly. Though to be fair I'd guess the average age of a female Tory member is way above child bearing age!!!!

[robmatic]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

[petej]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

Statutory maternity pay is pitiful. Though many companies are inherently sexist and punish couples for taking shared leave. We are quite happy to take money from dictatorships that deny women rights and are homophobic for example sports washing entities like financial dopersManchester city and Newcastle united.

[Hal Jordan]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

She's talking about trans people, in all likelihood.

[fishfoodie]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

You can easily believe she's a bully who shouts down anyone who doesn't agree with her, because that's the only way her team would let her out to spout such idiotic crap !

If she ever listened to people she could easily be leading the Tories

[Lobby]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

She's talking about trans people, in all likelihood.

The cultures she mentions as not being valid includes immigrants that "hate Israel", so I think she mainly means Moslems.

[tabascoboy]

They're really not going to let it go are they? This notion that appealing to the likes of the Farage Rioters is the only way forward for them

[Paddington Bear]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

I have no time for Badenoch, but not all cultures being equal is surely 1) true and 2) something the British State believes?

[petej]

Bad Enoch says that not all cultures are valid, and that maternity pay is excessive. In case anyone needed a reminder of what a scum bag she is

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

I have no time for Badenoch, but not all cultures being equal is surely 1) true and 2) something the British State believes?

Yep. One of the more frustrating things at times with the left particularly around islam is advocating tolerance of sexism or homophobia on a religious basis.

[JM2K6]

We should definitely be looking for nuance in the dog-whistle politics of Kemi fucking Badenoch

[Paddington Bear]

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

I have no time for Badenoch, but not all cultures being equal is surely 1) true and 2) something the British State believes?

Yep. One of the more frustrating things at times with the left particularly around islam is advocating tolerance of sexism or homophobia on a religious basis.

An anecdote - earlier this year a series of comments that were exceptionally homophobic and racist towards Africans, Indians and Jews were made on the facebook page of a cricket club with a very very similar name to mine. The ECB got in touch, their starting position being cutting off funding , season long bans, possible reports to the police. We pointed out that they were actually made by a club affiliated with the local mosque and the case was closed with no further investigation within a week.

[robmatic]

We should definitely be looking for nuance in the dog-whistle politics of Kemi fucking Badenoch

One of the problems with instinctively arguing against things that people you find objectionable say is that sometimes you can find yourself arguing against things that are true.

[Paddington Bear]

We should definitely be looking for nuance in the dog-whistle politics of Kemi fucking Badenoch

One of the problems with instinctively arguing against things that people you find objectionable say is that sometimes you can find yourself arguing against things that are true.

Also her being right on something that’s obviously true doesn’t make her right about anything else. See also: the bizarre stuff on maternity pay on the same day

[fishfoodie]

I don't particularly want to defend Badenoch, but there are cultures that deny women basic rights or are homophobic, and I wouldn't say they are as valid as the liberal Western culture that we all enjoy on this board.

I have no time for Badenoch, but not all cultures being equal is surely 1) true and 2) something the British State believes?

Yep. One of the more frustrating things at times with the left particularly around islam is advocating tolerance of sexism or homophobia on a religious basis.

You haven't looked in the Bible or the Torah lately, have you ?

If religious intolerance is all that's required for condemning a, "culture", then I'm happy I'm an atheist

[petej]

I have no time for Badenoch, but not all cultures being equal is surely 1) true and 2) something the British State believes?

Yep. One of the more frustrating things at times with the left particularly around islam is advocating tolerance of sexism or homophobia on a religious basis.

An anecdote - earlier this year a series of comments that were exceptionally homophobic and racist towards Africans, Indians and Jews were made on the facebook page of a cricket club with a very very similar name to mine. The ECB got in touch, their starting position being cutting off funding , season long bans, possible reports to the police. We pointed out that they were actually made by a club affiliated with the local mosque and the case was closed with no further investigation within a week.

Zero surprise in all of this and the groups targeted for abuse. We tend to discuss racist abuse that occurs in certain directions which is certainly not the reality.

[JM2K6]

We should definitely be looking for nuance in the dog-whistle politics of Kemi fucking Badenoch

One of the problems with instinctively arguing against things that people you find objectionable say is that sometimes you can find yourself arguing against things that are true.

Taking what she says at face value without considering a) the wider context of who she's trying to appeal to and b) the intended meaning of her words is an extremely dumb thing to do.

[fishfoodie]

Yep. One of the more frustrating things at times with the left particularly around islam is advocating tolerance of sexism or homophobia on a religious basis.

An anecdote - earlier this year a series of comments that were exceptionally homophobic and racist towards Africans, Indians and Jews were made on the facebook page of a cricket club with a very very similar name to mine. The ECB got in touch, their starting position being cutting off funding , season long bans, possible reports to the police. We pointed out that they were actually made by a club affiliated with the local mosque and the case was closed with no further investigation within a week.

Zero surprise in all of this and the groups targeted for abuse. We tend to discuss racist abuse that occurs in certain directions which is certainly not the reality.

Well that & very recent history for the ECB in Yorkshire might make them acutely aware of their recent failures, & thus, ironically, a bit gun shy of cracking down on abuse from a group who were victims of incoming abuse.

Zero tolerance is hard to do, but at least if you profess to have it, you can then use it as a shield for being sometimes over exuberant in cracking down on perceived abuse. The old; act now & apologize later ... if necessary philosophy.

[epwc]

You either have a policy or you don’t. If people on the WhatsApp group were spouting that sort of shit then they should be subject to the same penalties regardless of their colour/religion.

I know at least as many non Muslims as Muslims that think like that.

[SaintK]

Who'd have thought it!

Nadhim Zahawi instructed his lawyer to threaten legal action against a tax campaigner who helped reveal that the then chancellor was under investigation by HM Revenue and Customs, according to a tribunal document.
Zahawi’s solicitor, Ashley Hurst, is accused of breaching his regulator’s code of conduct by attempting to prevent Dan Neidle from publishing correspondence threatening legal action over the tax expert’s revelations about the then Tory leadership candidate.
The correspondence, sent by Hurst in July 2022, demanded that Neidle retract accusations of dishonesty against Zahawi in managing his tax affairs. The Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) said it also attempted to “improperly restrict” Neidle’s right to publish that correspondence or discuss its contents.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2 ... elations

[SaintK]

While we're at it
Hypocritical chinless wonder can't explain where his donations come from

Robert Jenrick has defended being handed a £75,000 donation from a company which had received money from a firm registered in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), despite criticising Labour over the freebies row.
Questions have been raised over the ultimate source of the funds from The Spott Fitness, which gave Mr Jenrick three separate £25,000 donations in July.
The Tory leadership contender told Sunday Morning With Trevor Phillips that The Spott Fitness "as I understand it... is a fitness company that operates in the UK", and the donation was "perfectly legal and valid".

The firm is owned by Mark Dembovsky, a lawyer and consultant and fitness entrepreneur Benjamin Hudson. As of December last year, when the most recent accounts were published, the firm had no employees and £330,000 in financial liabilities. It has never turned a profit.

[epwc]

All sounds totally legit to me