The Official English Rugby Thread

[SaintK]

Dombrandt and Slade not played for weeks.
What has Tom Willis got to do to get into a squad?
Lots of meh selections.

[Oxbow]

Still not moving on from the likes of Marler, Ewels, Daly et al and some notable absentees in the forwards. Struggling to get excited about this.

[Raggs]

Still not moving on from the likes of Marler, Ewels, Daly et al and some notable absentees in the forwards. Struggling to get excited about this.

With the injuries it can make sense to call up old heads, rather than kids that aren't going to have time to settle in, before they're displaced again for the next series.

There's a very nice backline to be made there (shame about Mitchell and Ford). Pack is a bit more of a struggle, but not terrible by a long shot.

[sockwithaticket]

I haven't watched a huge amount of the Prem so far, but it strikes me that this really is the sort of time where older members of the pack need to start being moved on. That doesn't mean shedding every single experienced option, but it probably does mean not including both George and LCD and not bringing back Ewels. We've seen the negative of leaving a squad refresh too late and evolution is better than revolution, so bring a couple more of the new gen through.

[Raggs]

I haven't watched a huge amount of the Prem so far, but it strikes me that this really is the sort of time where older members of the pack need to start being moved on. That doesn't mean shedding every single experienced option, but it probably does mean not including both George and LCD and not bringing back Ewels. We've seen the negative of leaving a squad refresh too late and evolution is better than revolution, so bring a couple more of the new gen through.

LCD is only 31. Ewels 29. I realise Ewels shouldn't really be there, but with Chessum and Martin I don't think we're skipping youth by any means.

[Biffer]

I haven't watched a huge amount of the Prem so far, but it strikes me that this really is the sort of time where older members of the pack need to start being moved on. That doesn't mean shedding every single experienced option, but it probably does mean not including both George and LCD and not bringing back Ewels. We've seen the negative of leaving a squad refresh too late and evolution is better than revolution, so bring a couple more of the new gen through.

LCD is only 31. Ewels 29. I realise Ewels shouldn't really be there, but with Chessum and Martin I don't think we're skipping youth by any means.

34 and 32 for the next World Cup.

[Raggs]

I haven't watched a huge amount of the Prem so far, but it strikes me that this really is the sort of time where older members of the pack need to start being moved on. That doesn't mean shedding every single experienced option, but it probably does mean not including both George and LCD and not bringing back Ewels. We've seen the negative of leaving a squad refresh too late and evolution is better than revolution, so bring a couple more of the new gen through.

LCD is only 31. Ewels 29. I realise Ewels shouldn't really be there, but with Chessum and Martin I don't think we're skipping youth by any means.

34 and 32 for the next World Cup.

Which are perfectly acceptable ages for tight five players...

[sockwithaticket]

LCD is only 31. Ewels 29. I realise Ewels shouldn't really be there, but with Chessum and Martin I don't think we're skipping youth by any means.

34 and 32 for the next World Cup.

Which are perfectly acceptable ages for tight five players...

But also ages by which those players retire, especially ones with Luke Cowan-Dickie's injury history. Past 32 it becomes a lottery for most positions - plenty of examples of players carrying on, but also plenty who've hung up their boots. With his reduced efficacy lately I'd probably be looking at shuffling out George rather than LCD, but of course Borthwick has Geoge as captain, so that's unlikely. I just think we need somone other than Dan to have an appreciable number of caps by the world cup in case neither George or LCD are available by then, which isn't at all improbable.

29 isn't old for a second row, but it is late to be keeping proven plodders with a red card problem around. I fail to see what Ewels offers that we mightn't get out of a Tizard or Munga other than perhaps lineout calling. If he's not in danger of getting near the test team, then get one of these promising younger players in his stead to familiarise them with the environment and start paving the way for their involvement.

[SaintK]

Oh well!!
Sounds as ifJack Willis has turned down an offer to join Saracens and Toulouse are close to locking him to a 4 year contract extension!!!!

[JM2K6]

Can't imagine Saracens had a lot of budget to spare to compete with Toulouse. Though I suppose they will lose Goode at the end of this season?

On the England discussion, agree it's weird that Dombrandt is in despite missing weeks of rugby and not being fit for the bench at the weekend. Still not quite convinced by Tom Willis being as good as the hype, though, but I've settled for him being a CJ Stander type and I can see the value in that. Certainly would rather have him than Mercer!

LCD, who was frequently a better option than George in the last 4-5 years, is not at that standard any more and with Langdon and Ohgre tearing up trees I think he should be focusing on earning the shirt back in club rugby.

[sockwithaticket]

No club will be able to match the spending of any of the French giants. Nor can many (any?) of the Prem clubs offer the same level of job security, which I suspect will be fairly high in the mind of player whose club collapsed from under him with a family to provide for.

Toulouse specifically offer consistently competing at the sharp end of both the domestic and European seasons too.

He'd have to rate playing for England very highly to come back tbh.

[SaintK]

Can't imagine Saracens had a lot of budget to spare to compete with Toulouse. Though I suppose they will lose Goode at the end of this season?

On the England discussion, agree it's weird that Dombrandt is in despite missing weeks of rugby and not being fit for the bench at the weekend. Still not quite convinced by Tom Willis being as good as the hype, though, but I've settled for him being a CJ Stander type and I can see the value in that. Certainly would rather have him than Mercer!

LCD, who was frequently a better option than George in the last 4-5 years, is not at that standard any more and with Langdon and Ohgre tearing up trees I think he should be focusing on earning the shirt back in club rugby.

Langdon and Oghre are easily the two best performing EQ hookers in the Premiership at present.
Dan appears to be suffering 2nd/3rd season syndrome at Sarries though is outplaying George.
George should be replaced for the 6N with a huge pat on his back and thankyou.

[Biffer]

No club will be able to match the spending of any of the French giants. Nor can many (any?) of the Prem clubs offer the same level of job security, which I suspect will be fairly high in the mind of player whose club collapsed from under him with a family to provide for.

Toulouse specifically offer consistently competing at the sharp end of both the domestic and European seasons too.

He'd have to rate playing for England very highly to come back tbh.

Let’s face it, trying to compete with French wages is one of the reasons why English clubs are going bust.

[JM2K6]

Can't imagine Saracens had a lot of budget to spare to compete with Toulouse. Though I suppose they will lose Goode at the end of this season?

On the England discussion, agree it's weird that Dombrandt is in despite missing weeks of rugby and not being fit for the bench at the weekend. Still not quite convinced by Tom Willis being as good as the hype, though, but I've settled for him being a CJ Stander type and I can see the value in that. Certainly would rather have him than Mercer!

LCD, who was frequently a better option than George in the last 4-5 years, is not at that standard any more and with Langdon and Ohgre tearing up trees I think he should be focusing on earning the shirt back in club rugby.

Langdon and Oghre are easily the two best performing EQ hookers in the Premiership at present.
Dan appears to be suffering 2nd/3rd season syndrome at Sarries though is outplaying George.
George should be replaced for the 6N with a huge pat on his back and thankyou.

I'm loathe to suggest getting rid of George, who is in a very similar role to Dylan Hartley during the successful Eddie period. Solid, reliable, good leader, well respected, and an excellent conduit for the coaches. Perhaps with another captaincy option available I would be happier with it.

Anyway this is all just killing time until Jibulu becomes world player of the year ;-)

[JM2K6]

No club will be able to match the spending of any of the French giants. Nor can many (any?) of the Prem clubs offer the same level of job security, which I suspect will be fairly high in the mind of player whose club collapsed from under him with a family to provide for.

Toulouse specifically offer consistently competing at the sharp end of both the domestic and European seasons too.

He'd have to rate playing for England very highly to come back tbh.

Let’s face it, trying to compete with French wages is one of the reasons why English clubs are going bust.

Not really. I thought wages were a bigger deal but the costs of running the clubs are way more than that. I do still think we're paying too much but ultimately the salary arms race in English rugby is with direct competitors, even if it was triggered by a couple of clubs wishing to leverage their financial backing with Europe in mind.

None of the sides going bust did so because they were trying to compete with French sides.

[Brazil]

Can't imagine Saracens had a lot of budget to spare to compete with Toulouse. Though I suppose they will lose Goode at the end of this season?

On the England discussion, agree it's weird that Dombrandt is in despite missing weeks of rugby and not being fit for the bench at the weekend. Still not quite convinced by Tom Willis being as good as the hype, though, but I've settled for him being a CJ Stander type and I can see the value in that. Certainly would rather have him than Mercer!

LCD, who was frequently a better option than George in the last 4-5 years, is not at that standard any more and with Langdon and Ohgre tearing up trees I think he should be focusing on earning the shirt back in club rugby.

Langdon and Oghre are easily the two best performing EQ hookers in the Premiership at present.
Dan appears to be suffering 2nd/3rd season syndrome at Sarries though is outplaying George.
George should be replaced for the 6N with a huge pat on his back and thankyou.

I'm loathe to suggest getting rid of George, who is in a very similar role to Dylan Hartley during the successful Eddie period. Solid, reliable, good leader, well respected, and an excellent conduit for the coaches. Perhaps with another captaincy option available I would be happier with it.

Anyway this is all just killing time until Jibulu becomes world player of the year ;-)

I think i'd drop LCD for Langdon rather than George for those same reasons.

[SaintK]

Can't imagine Saracens had a lot of budget to spare to compete with Toulouse. Though I suppose they will lose Goode at the end of this season?

On the England discussion, agree it's weird that Dombrandt is in despite missing weeks of rugby and not being fit for the bench at the weekend. Still not quite convinced by Tom Willis being as good as the hype, though, but I've settled for him being a CJ Stander type and I can see the value in that. Certainly would rather have him than Mercer!

LCD, who was frequently a better option than George in the last 4-5 years, is not at that standard any more and with Langdon and Ohgre tearing up trees I think he should be focusing on earning the shirt back in club rugby.

Langdon and Oghre are easily the two best performing EQ hookers in the Premiership at present.
Dan appears to be suffering 2nd/3rd season syndrome at Sarries though is outplaying George.
George should be replaced for the 6N with a huge pat on his back and thankyou.

I'm loathe to suggest getting rid of George, who is in a very similar role to Dylan Hartley during the successful Eddie period. Solid, reliable, good leader, well respected, and an excellent conduit for the coaches. Perhaps with another captaincy option available I would be happier with it.

Anyway this is all just killing time until Jibulu becomes world player of the year ;-)

Have been mightily impressed with that young man this season

[JM2K6]

Langdon and Oghre are easily the two best performing EQ hookers in the Premiership at present.
Dan appears to be suffering 2nd/3rd season syndrome at Sarries though is outplaying George.
George should be replaced for the 6N with a huge pat on his back and thankyou.

I'm loathe to suggest getting rid of George, who is in a very similar role to Dylan Hartley during the successful Eddie period. Solid, reliable, good leader, well respected, and an excellent conduit for the coaches. Perhaps with another captaincy option available I would be happier with it.

Anyway this is all just killing time until Jibulu becomes world player of the year ;-)

Have been mightily impressed with that young man this season

Yeah, he does seem to have the goods. Monster carrier, great at the breakdown, tackles like a truck, and solid in the set piece. Very excited by him and think he offers a level of power that no one else does at hooker in this country. A lot of Quins fans are still in Team Riley, but Riley can be a bit of an idiot and his lineout work is often flaky.

[SaintK]

Hmmmm!

[Raggs]

Not watched much, but what I've read suggests he'd perhaps not be in line for a cap any time soon, but as an EQP player again, he'd be worth more to clubs.

[JM2K6]

He's definitely good enough to play for England. Extremely good player.

[sockwithaticket]

23 minutes 35 seconds and Saints have the try bonus point wrapped up against Sale. The back three are looking particularly lethal.

[Oxbow]

Saints doing Saints stuff. Freeman looking good at 13, can't wait to see Slade there for England.

[sockwithaticket]

I know it's Saints and you can never rule out a collapse, but it's getting close to game over already.

[Lobby]

It almost seems unfair for Saints to play a backline with Freeman, Hendy, Sleightholme and Furbank. But very enjoyable to watch (unless you're a Sale fan).

[SaintK]

I know it's Saints and you can never rule out a collapse, but it's getting close to game over already.

Shhhhhhsh

[Torquemada 1420]

Saints really easy on the eye. How rugby should be played. But you fear for them when they come up against some heavyweight packs.

How are Exeter this sh*t this season?

[Margin__Walker]

Newcastle in serious danger of winning a game here...

[FalconJock]

Newcastle in serious danger of winning a game here...

Don't invoke the ire of the mocker Gods

[Margin__Walker]

Newcastle in serious danger of winning a game here...

Don't invoke the ire of the mocker Gods

Apologies!

I will though. It's in the bag.

edit - sort of

[Tichtheid]

I like the look of Henry Pollock - very physical at this level at 19 years old

[Tichtheid]

Well Done The Toon

[Torquemada 1420]

Braz will be kicking something or other.

[Tichtheid]

I'm glad Sale didn't score at the end there - one of my pet hates is milking a penalty by a 130kg guy pinning an opponent on the wrong side in the ruck

[Paddington Bear]

Delighted for Newcastle, must admit I didn’t see it coming

[Slick]

Delighted for Newcastle, must admit I didn’t see it coming

So what I just saw is true

[geordie_6]

Finally.

[FalconJock]

Newcastle in serious danger of winning a game here...

Don't invoke the ire of the mocker Gods

Apologies!

I will though. It's in the bag.

edit - sort of

You had to go and do it didn't you

Falcons win and stay bottom, I'd curse you if I wasnt so delirious

[SaintK]

Delighted for Newcastle, must admit I didn’t see it coming

You have to ask what the hell's going on at Exeter.
They can't continue the "we're a team in transition" excuse for much longer.

[Paddington Bear]

Delighted for Newcastle, must admit I didn’t see it coming

You have to ask what the hell's going on at Exeter.
They can't continue the "we're a team in transition" excuse for much longer.

100%. Very odd. Newcastle have looked Championship level in every other game.


Meanwhile, watching Goodey at 10 really is a thing of beauty.