So, coronavirus...

[Sandstorm]

Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.

Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.

[Ted.]

Government policy clearly isn't working.
It's a shambles, locally the hospitals are full and capacity has been overwhelmed by demand.

It’s working where I live.

The NW has been the tightest locked down.

What are the medical professionals suggesting ?

Nope you’ve posted this to add to panic.

Provide a link to the per reviewed study, thanks.

[Jb1981]

My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.

If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.

[Slick]

This morning I reached a point where to my thinking, at the current rate infection is spreading in the UK we'll reach herd immunity before a vaccine is developed. It's now about keeping things to a level the NHS can cope with.

Even if there's 50,000 infections a day, that would take over two years. And if immunity doesn't last that long, we just start again.

I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.

Except Biffer here.

Did you miss the “if”?

[Saint]

Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.

Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.

Christ alive. I'm just back from a trip to Venice- the complete difference in public attitude to basic safety measures is off the charts.

[Sandstorm]

Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.

Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.

Christ alive. I'm just back from a trip to Venice- the complete difference in public attitude to basic safety measures is off the charts.

Countries with high numbers are clearly populated by dickheads.

[Saint]

Woman in Cumbria tests positive, then immediately jumps in a cab to the nearest pub. Tracing app busts her and she gets a £1000 fine.

Sadly they haven’t named & shamed the stupid bint.

Christ alive. I'm just back from a trip to Venice- the complete difference in public attitude to basic safety measures is off the charts.

Countries with high numbers are clearly populated by dickheads.

So it would seem.

[salanya]

Over 15.000 new cases, 80 deaths, and it's not even on the BBC website.

Really inconsistent coverage.

[Biffer]

Even if there's 50,000 infections a day, that would take over two years. And if immunity doesn't last that long, we just start again.

I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.

Except Biffer here.

Did you miss the “if”?

He thinks he's being smart because I don't see his answers.

[Un Pilier]

My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.

If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.

Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!

[fishfoodie]

My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.

If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.

Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!

Like they say; the fish rots from the head.

There are different reasons why countries have had different results, but the leadership, both intellectual; & by example is a definately a significant factor in some of the worst outcome countries.

[Bimbowomxn]

My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.

If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.

Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!

24% catching it after arrival in hospitals in some areas of the NW.

[Jb1981]

My wife’s cousin posted a photo on Facebook today titled “catching up” of her and a friend sharing a wine. She’s in an area with local restrictions (i.e. no meeting indoors with people outside your household) and works in accounts in a hospital.

If that is reflective of the attitudes of many across the North West, it is no wonder numbers are increasing.

Yes but it’s somebody else’s fault. People like you are expecting other people to show a modicum of personal responsibility. That’s outrageous!

24% catching it after arrival in hospitals in some areas of the NW.

Surely 24% of those in hospital with it believed to have caught it after admission rather than 24% of all patients in some hospitals getting it? Either way, it won’t be helped by people like my wife’s cousin not sticking to the rules and then going to work - at a hospital.

[Sandstorm]

No, people are popping into hospitals on their days out. Just to prove they won’t let this Govt tell them what to do.

When a quarter of them catch Covid, that’s because policy.

[Bimbowomxn]

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... a74#.7daqw


Will world leaders carry on following the science ?

[dkm57]

Even if there's 50,000 infections a day, that would take over two years. And if immunity doesn't last that long, we just start again.

I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.

Except Biffer here.

Did you miss the “if”?

Points taken BUT given the

Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.

The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.

The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.

[Sandstorm]

The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.

The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.

If you personally had Covid in Feb, are you happy to get medically re-infected today to prove immunity? Jump in son....

[Bimbowomxn]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cont ... -s0d85mkrr


Nothing to see here.

[Biffer]

I’m fairly certain there’s not a human alive who knows what happens to immunity in TWO years.

Except Biffer here.

Did you miss the “if”?

Points taken BUT given the

Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.

The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.

The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.

Not according to the community testing studies.

[dkm57]

Did you miss the “if”?

Points taken BUT given the

Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.

The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.

The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.

Not according to the community testing studies.

and the communities being tested?

[Biffer]

Points taken BUT given the

Limited testing, the stated infection rate is understated by a fair margin.

The actual reinfection rate seems to be very low.

The virus has been circulating in the general population from before November 2019 so there is a huge, unidentified, reservoir of the population who have already had covid.

Not according to the community testing studies.

and the communities being tested?

Knock yourself out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

[dkm57]

Not according to the community testing studies.

and the communities being tested?

Knock yourself out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.

[Bimbowomxn]

and the communities being tested?

Knock yourself out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.

You’re correct.

[Zig]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

[dkm57]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

Yes, but at what kind of rates? as I understand it these cases are notable for their rarity which in itself implies some kind of resistance. Is it more severe or milder? Is it a new infection or a relapse?

[Saint]

and the communities being tested?

Knock yourself out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.

The Imperial College study from August reckoned that perhaps 6% of the UK population had had COVID19

It's now October, so maybe 7% now, and at current infection rates maybe 10% by Christmas

Assuming even short term immunity, that would start to dent r at somewhere around 30%, with the best guess being that 60% is needed for herd immunity (whether through vaccine or infection)

[Bimbowomxn]

Well a couple of million of students will help us get there.

[Ovals]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.

[Bimbowomxn]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

Let’s be clear it’s been recorded in a handful of people across 100’s of millions of infections.....


There’s every reason to believe it’s very very unlikely.

[Biffer]

and the communities being tested?

Knock yourself out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.

Did you just skim that first link?

20% of participants aged 16 years and over also provide a blood sample taken by a trained nurse, phlebotomist or healthcare assistant. These tests help determine what proportion of the population has developed antibodies to COVID-19. Participants will be asked to give further samples monthly for the next 12 months.

[Zig]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.

The flu is a similar virus we've lived with for much longer and yet we've no immunity to it.

It's a whack-a-mole response where each mutation requires a new vaccine.

We don't know enough about this new Coronavirus to predict anything about it really.

[Bimbowomxn]

Knock yourself out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/newins ... statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

All very interesting but the tests only indicate those currently infected, not those recovered and presumably with at least some level immunity. As I understand.

Did you just skim that first link?

20% of participants aged 16 years and over also provide a blood sample taken by a trained nurse, phlebotomist or healthcare assistant. These tests help determine what proportion of the population has developed antibodies to COVID-19. Participants will be asked to give further samples monthly for the next 12 months.

Or when we actually might get a vaccine.

If not it’s down to T cell immunity like other corona virus’s

[Bimbowomxn]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.

The flu is a similar virus we've lived with for much longer and yet we've no immunity to it.

It's a whack-a-mole response where each mutation requires a new vaccine.

We don't know enough about this new Coronavirus to predict anything about it really.

Of course we have immunity to various flu virus’s .....

[Sandstorm]

Djokovic getting pumped by Nadal in French Open Final. Maybe Covid has affected his fitness.

[JM2K6]

There is no reason to believe immunity exists or is even possible.

Reinfection of recovered patients has already been recorded.

There's reasons to believe it - just no conclusive evidence yet. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothering with developing vaccines.

The flu is a similar virus we've lived with for much longer and yet we've no immunity to it.

It's a whack-a-mole response where each mutation requires a new vaccine.

We don't know enough about this new Coronavirus to predict anything about it really.

Where are you getting your info from? "There's no reason to believe immunity exists" "the flu is a similar virus"?

Coronavirus doesn't mutate anywhere near as fast as flu does, and the mutation is of the sort that would require a different vaccine each time. And yes, you are immune to COVID for a while after catching it. It just doesn't last a particularly long time.

[Bimbowomxn]

It might not last....



We have absolutely no idea how long it lasts ffs.

[eldanielfire]

1. There's no proof herd immunity is achievable,as immune repo se seems to decrease quickly. So you're experimenting on the general population at the expense of thousands of deaths and many more long covid cases

Well that’s the idea of vaccination out the window.

WOW?

No Vaccination will actually protect everyone who ahs the vaccine. The Herd immunity is due to the transismission not being able to transfer person to person if enough immune people are in the population to block the spread. The vaccination priority will be vaccine all vulnerable and elderly people and that will stop the more negative outcomes of COVID-19 occurring like higher death rates.

[Zig]

Where are you getting your info from? "There's no reason to believe immunity exists" "the flu is a similar virus"?

Coronavirus doesn't mutate anywhere near as fast as flu does, and the mutation is of the sort that would require a different vaccine each time. And yes, you are immune to COVID for a while after catching it. It just doesn't last a particularly long time.

Lack of data is my point.

It's a new virus.

We have no idea what the reinfection rates are over 12 months because we haven't even got there yet.

[JM2K6]

It might not last....

We have absolutely no idea how long it lasts ffs.

No, that's not true. We're not certain yet, but there's a lot of research being done that suggests you're immune for at least 3 months (e.g. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20171843v2 or https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... virus-last or https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20174490v1 ). What we don't know is the full picture, or have a good idea of what the upper boundary is yet.

"Absolutely no idea" is false. Saying "there's no reason to believe immunity exists" is false.

[Bimbowomxn]

It might not last....

We have absolutely no idea how long it lasts ffs.

No, that's not true. We're not certain yet, but there's a lot of research being done that suggests you're immune for at least 3 months (e.g. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20171843v2 or https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... virus-last or https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20174490v1 ). What we don't know is the full picture, or have a good idea of what the upper boundary is yet.

"Absolutely no idea" is false. Saying "there's no reason to believe immunity exists" is false.

We don’t know how long immunity exists ...... fact.

The big caveat is of course that this is just one snapshot for a relatively short period of time," says Dr. Otto Yang at UCLA, "so we don't know that it will continue that same rate of drop over time."

From one of your links.


Jesus.