Elon Musk bought Twitter.

[Calculon]

Both comments are saying "Not All Men".

Everyone knows it's not all men, but the point is that women don't know which men it is.

I can't keep saying the same thing.

If the main point of the article is that rapist do not have "I am a rapist" tattooed on their forehead, and that they can be charming and are very often (if not in most cases) known to their victim – it is hardly revelatory. I can’t prescribe how women should behave knowing this - depends very much on their personality, environment and personal experiences, and that article also doesn’t give any insight into this

[laurent]

Monsieur tout le monde is used commonly in France to describe an inoffensive + dull + military medium+ normal man, as opposed to a flamboyant person or a misfit...

It's basically not all men but a very normal man, and this is where it rubs some to admit that they or someone they know could be amongst rapists bullies and assorted miscreants ...

I have accepted that yes it could be me or at least someone like me.

[Niegs]

Jackson changed the letters on the marquee to spell out: “Forever neighbours, never neighbors.” The message — highlighting the difference in the way Canadians and Americans spell certain words — was a swipe at U.S. president-elect Donald Trump’s repeated suggestion that Canada could become the 51st state.

Within hours, an image of the new sign posted to the strip club’s X account was flagged as potentially hateful content, resulting in the account, @ThePenthouse604, being suspended that night.

https://vancouversun.com/news/cheeky-pe ... uspended-x

[dpedin]

Here is a useful publication about the data on victims and perpetrators of Group Based Offending. Whilst there is a warning the dataset is probably incomplete this doesn't distract from the overall picture. Hopefully this helps clarify some of the discussion about the make up of those involved.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/asse ... r-2024.pdf

[Uncle fester]

Jackson changed the letters on the marquee to spell out: “Forever neighbours, never neighbors.” The message — highlighting the difference in the way Canadians and Americans spell certain words — was a swipe at U.S. president-elect Donald Trump’s repeated suggestion that Canada could become the 51st state.

Within hours, an image of the new sign posted to the strip club’s X account was flagged as potentially hateful content, resulting in the account, @ThePenthouse604, being suspended that night.

https://vancouversun.com/news/cheeky-pe ... uspended-x

Good to see that kind of "negative content" being tackler.

Now back to Starmer and stuff we made up about him.

[robmatic]

Here is a useful publication about the data on victims and perpetrators of Group Based Offending. Whilst there is a warning the dataset is probably incomplete this doesn't distract from the overall picture. Hopefully this helps clarify some of the discussion about the make up of those involved.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/asse ... r-2024.pdf

Only 1 in 3 suspects giving an ethnic identity is a huge caveat, although I would broadly expect the breakdown to be along demographic lines as shown.

That being said, the mismatch between the percentage of Asian victims and suspects jumps out, doesn't it?

[Hugo]

Also, the identity of half the victims is unknown too.

Honestly, there seems to be no serious commitment to collate crime information pertaining to demographics. It's 2025 but the attention to details on crime recording seems to be stuck somewhere in the 20th century.

[Slick]

Here is a useful publication about the data on victims and perpetrators of Group Based Offending. Whilst there is a warning the dataset is probably incomplete this doesn't distract from the overall picture. Hopefully this helps clarify some of the discussion about the make up of those involved.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/asse ... r-2024.pdf

You are seemingly quite desperate to push a narrative on this but I don’t think this really helps you

[dpedin]

Here is a useful publication about the data on victims and perpetrators of Group Based Offending. Whilst there is a warning the dataset is probably incomplete this doesn't distract from the overall picture. Hopefully this helps clarify some of the discussion about the make up of those involved.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/asse ... r-2024.pdf

You are seemingly quite desperate to push a narrative on this but I don’t think this really helps you

Just trying to ensure the facts, as best as they are known, are out there and are the basis for a proper discussion rather than the suppositions some seem happier to use. I am not sure what the problem is about distributing informed factual reports?

[dpedin]

Here is a useful publication about the data on victims and perpetrators of Group Based Offending. Whilst there is a warning the dataset is probably incomplete this doesn't distract from the overall picture. Hopefully this helps clarify some of the discussion about the make up of those involved.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/asse ... r-2024.pdf

Only 1 in 3 suspects giving an ethnic identity is a huge caveat, although I would broadly expect the breakdown to be along demographic lines as shown.

That being said, the mismatch between the percentage of Asian victims and suspects jumps out, doesn't it?

A 35% sample size seems a very reasonable number on which to extrapolate unless there is a known and recognized issue in reporting within specific groups, the report doesn't indicate this is the case. 35% reporting for this sample size would give you a 99% confidence level. As I said this could be skewed if reporting of ethnicity is over or under reported for certain groups, but this isn't referenced in the report.

Numbers vary but between 7 and 9% of UK population is asian so the 7% of asian offenders is roughly in line with the general population breakdown.

[Slick]

Here is a useful publication about the data on victims and perpetrators of Group Based Offending. Whilst there is a warning the dataset is probably incomplete this doesn't distract from the overall picture. Hopefully this helps clarify some of the discussion about the make up of those involved.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/asse ... r-2024.pdf

You are seemingly quite desperate to push a narrative on this but I don’t think this really helps you

Just trying to ensure the facts, as best as they are known, are out there and are the basis for a proper discussion rather than the suppositions some seem happier to use. I am not sure what the problem is about distributing informed factual reports?

It’s not a very good report really though.

The whole situation around these child rape gangs is absolutely awful and we need to be clear headed to deal with it. It’s no surprise, given the population, that there are more white gangs but as far as I’m aware (and I fully accept I may be wrong), there isn’t a systematic issue with these white gangs being investigated and prosecuted. By contrast there seems to be plenty of issues, around race, culture etc, regarding investigation of some Asian gangs. This has been extremely well documented as we know.

It’s beyond frustrating that there are still folk who for some reason are desperate to challenge this very obvious and demonstrable fact which is what got us into the mess in the first place.

No one is saying that Asian child rape gangs are worse than white child rape gangs, they are all cunts, but as I say above, there has been a very obvious reluctance for the authorities to treat them in the same way and that is what we have to stop. Making lots of excuses or false equivalency’s isn’t helping that

[Uncle fester]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

[dpedin]

You are seemingly quite desperate to push a narrative on this but I don’t think this really helps you

Just trying to ensure the facts, as best as they are known, are out there and are the basis for a proper discussion rather than the suppositions some seem happier to use. I am not sure what the problem is about distributing informed factual reports?

It’s not a very good report really though.

The whole situation around these child rape gangs is absolutely awful and we need to be clear headed to deal with it. It’s no surprise, given the population, that there are more white gangs but as far as I’m aware (and I fully accept I may be wrong), there isn’t a systematic issue with these white gangs being investigated and prosecuted. By contrast there seems to be plenty of issues, around race, culture etc, regarding investigation of some Asian gangs. This has been extremely well documented as we know.

It’s beyond frustrating that there are still folk who for some reason are desperate to challenge this very obvious and demonstrable fact which is what got us into the mess in the first place.

No one is saying that Asian child rape gangs are worse than white child rape gangs, they are all cunts, but as I say above, there has been a very obvious reluctance for the authorities to treat them in the same way and that is what we have to stop. Making lots of excuses or false equivalency’s isn’t helping that

I accept the data is poor and incomplete however all the reports I have referenced are the best we have. I am certainly not making 'lots of false excuses or false equivalences' - however I much rather prefer to deal with the facts and figures in order to assess the problem and formulate a response, call me old fashioned if you want!

The 2020 Group CSA report, prefaced by that well known liberal Priti Patel, stated that 'Based on the existing evidence, and our understanding of the flaws in the existing data, it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.'

It is surely better to drive the local and national efforts to reduce CSA and group based CSA and protect victims on the existing evidence than it is on supposition and prejudices about specific groups of the population?

Here are a couple of reported group based CSA crimes from the news.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24 ... ref=twtrec
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xj559g571o

You rightly point out the cultural sensitivities of investigating certain groups of offenders in the past, no one is disputing that. Some police forces, social services etc responses around ethnic offenders were poor and ill informed, the Jay Report into Rotherham, 2014 and her National Report, 2022 made this clear. However I am less clear that Pakistani or Asian offenders are more leniently dealt with when they get to court. I have seen no evidence of this in terms of the sentencing they receive compared to white, British gangs - perhaps you could point me to this evidence?

Bottom line is CSA and group based CSA is a horrendous crime. All offenders need to be tracked down and punished. The vast majority of group based CSA crime is committed by White British folk, the evidence on this is irrefutable, and broadly in line with the % of the population. Yes the police and other authorities need to ensure their response is consistent across all ethnic groups within the UK - probably best to crack on with implementing the Jay Report recommendations then?

[Tichtheid]

Bottom line is CSA and group based CSA is a horrendous crime. All offenders need to be tracked down and punished. The vast majority of group based CSA crime is committed by White British folk, the evidence on this is irrefutable, and broadly in line with the % of the population. Yes the police and other authorities need to ensure their response is consistent across all ethnic groups within the UK - probably best to crack on with implementing the Jay Report recommendations then?

You've made me remember why I posted that article earlier - I got lost in the "not all men" thing. Predatory men are the main problem, irrespective of race, culture or religion - see the Church of England, the notorious Catholic Church scandals and the Jehovah's Witnesses
I also think that was the main point of the article.

[Slick]

Just trying to ensure the facts, as best as they are known, are out there and are the basis for a proper discussion rather than the suppositions some seem happier to use. I am not sure what the problem is about distributing informed factual reports?

It’s not a very good report really though.

The whole situation around these child rape gangs is absolutely awful and we need to be clear headed to deal with it. It’s no surprise, given the population, that there are more white gangs but as far as I’m aware (and I fully accept I may be wrong), there isn’t a systematic issue with these white gangs being investigated and prosecuted. By contrast there seems to be plenty of issues, around race, culture etc, regarding investigation of some Asian gangs. This has been extremely well documented as we know.

It’s beyond frustrating that there are still folk who for some reason are desperate to challenge this very obvious and demonstrable fact which is what got us into the mess in the first place.

No one is saying that Asian child rape gangs are worse than white child rape gangs, they are all cunts, but as I say above, there has been a very obvious reluctance for the authorities to treat them in the same way and that is what we have to stop. Making lots of excuses or false equivalency’s isn’t helping that

I accept the data is poor and incomplete however all the reports I have referenced are the best we have. I am certainly not making 'lots of false excuses or false equivalences' - however I much rather prefer to deal with the facts and figures in order to assess the problem and formulate a response, call me old fashioned if you want!

The 2020 Group CSA report, prefaced by that well known liberal Priti Patel, stated that 'Based on the existing evidence, and our understanding of the flaws in the existing data, it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.'

It is surely better to drive the local and national efforts to reduce CSA and group based CSA and protect victims on the existing evidence than it is on supposition and prejudices about specific groups of the population?

Here are a couple of reported group based CSA crimes from the news.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24 ... ref=twtrec
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xj559g571o

You rightly point out the cultural sensitivities of investigating certain groups of offenders in the past, no one is disputing that. Some police forces, social services etc responses around ethnic offenders were poor and ill informed, the Jay Report into Rotherham, 2014 and her National Report, 2022 made this clear. However I am less clear that Pakistani or Asian offenders are more leniently dealt with when they get to court. I have seen no evidence of this in terms of the sentencing they receive compared to white, British gangs - perhaps you could point me to this evidence?

Bottom line is CSA and group based CSA is a horrendous crime. All offenders need to be tracked down and punished. The vast majority of group based CSA crime is committed by White British folk, the evidence on this is irrefutable, and broadly in line with the % of the population. Yes the police and other authorities need to ensure their response is consistent across all ethnic groups within the UK - probably best to crack on with implementing the Jay Report recommendations then?

You are either ignoring the point of my post or I haven’t been clear, but I didn’t mention sentencing and I agreed that the vast majority of this is committed by white men

[Hellraiser]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

That's a positive thing.

[Guy Smiley]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

That's a positive thing.

Why?

[Hugo]

Just trying to ensure the facts, as best as they are known, are out there and are the basis for a proper discussion rather than the suppositions some seem happier to use. I am not sure what the problem is about distributing informed factual reports?

It’s not a very good report really though.

The whole situation around these child rape gangs is absolutely awful and we need to be clear headed to deal with it. It’s no surprise, given the population, that there are more white gangs but as far as I’m aware (and I fully accept I may be wrong), there isn’t a systematic issue with these white gangs being investigated and prosecuted. By contrast there seems to be plenty of issues, around race, culture etc, regarding investigation of some Asian gangs. This has been extremely well documented as we know.

It’s beyond frustrating that there are still folk who for some reason are desperate to challenge this very obvious and demonstrable fact which is what got us into the mess in the first place.

No one is saying that Asian child rape gangs are worse than white child rape gangs, they are all cunts, but as I say above, there has been a very obvious reluctance for the authorities to treat them in the same way and that is what we have to stop. Making lots of excuses or false equivalency’s isn’t helping that

I accept the data is poor and incomplete however all the reports I have referenced are the best we have. I am certainly not making 'lots of false excuses or false equivalences' - however I much rather prefer to deal with the facts and figures in order to assess the problem and formulate a response, call me old fashioned if you want!

The 2020 Group CSA report, prefaced by that well known liberal Priti Patel, stated that 'Based on the existing evidence, and our understanding of the flaws in the existing data, it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.'

It is surely better to drive the local and national efforts to reduce CSA and group based CSA and protect victims on the existing evidence than it is on supposition and prejudices about specific groups of the population?

Here are a couple of reported group based CSA crimes from the news.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24 ... ref=twtrec
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xj559g571o

You rightly point out the cultural sensitivities of investigating certain groups of offenders in the past, no one is disputing that. Some police forces, social services etc responses around ethnic offenders were poor and ill informed, the Jay Report into Rotherham, 2014 and her National Report, 2022 made this clear. However I am less clear that Pakistani or Asian offenders are more leniently dealt with when they get to court. I have seen no evidence of this in terms of the sentencing they receive compared to white, British gangs - perhaps you could point me to this evidence?

Bottom line is CSA and group based CSA is a horrendous crime. All offenders need to be tracked down and punished. The vast majority of group based CSA crime is committed by White British folk, the evidence on this is irrefutable, and broadly in line with the % of the population. Yes the police and other authorities need to ensure their response is consistent across all ethnic groups within the UK - probably best to crack on with implementing the Jay Report recommendations then?

The thing you are not really grasping is that there is no reason to believe in any of the institutions who are entrusted with protecting children.

It's like believing someone who has lied to you dozens of times is now telling the truth.

Every institution in Britain has some previous with regards to paedophile behaviour - BBC, police, Prince Andrew, C of E, Labour party - and the common denominator is their concern for protecting the reputation of the institution over justice for the kids.

The opportunity for dealing with this in house has been and gone. There needs to be a forensic inquiry into this conducted by a neutral international body. Getting compromised bodies to conduct their own investigation is the classic fox guarding henhouse scenario. It is the Vatican model for dealing with child abuse.

[Uncle fester]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

That's a positive thing.

Debate to be had re that but timing is the real point if interest here. The oligarchs smell blood in the water and it's the little guy who is going to suffer.

[Hal Jordan]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

That's a positive thing.

Debate to be had re that but timing is the real point if interest here. The oligarchs smell blood in the water and it's the little guy who is going to suffer.

Zuckerberg is asking Trump to put pressure on the EU to cancel the fines against Meta. Going all in punching down fits right in with Trump's entire life to date. Flatter the tyrant to shelter.under his wings.

Until he has used you up and stakes you out.

[Hal Jordan]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

That's a positive thing.

Why?

All the gays and t-girls are giving Hellraiser feelings that are new and uncomfortable.

[Hellraiser]

Meta are also terminating their DEI practices.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ei-program

That's a positive thing.

Why?

It's a massive grift to start.

[Guy Smiley]

That's a positive thing.

Why?

It's a massive grift to start.

Explain

[Hellraiser]

[Guy Smiley]

Hellraiser, I asked you why you think Meta terminating their DEI policies is a good thing. I've then asked you to explain your assertion it's a grift.

While I'm a fan of the Jonathan Pie stuff, that clip has fucking NOTHING to do with Meta and its DEI policies. Do you have anything of substance to back up your opinions?

[Hellraiser]

Hellraiser, I asked you why you think Meta terminating their DEI policies is a good thing. I've then asked you to explain your assertion it's a grift.

While I'm a fan of the Jonathan Pie stuff, that clip has fucking NOTHING to do with Meta and its DEI policies. Do you have anything of substance to back up your opinions?

That wasn't a response to your post. I didn't even see it. So wind your fucking neck in.

As for why DEI is a grift, Google is is your friend.

[Guy Smiley]

So, nothing then. Just another bag of human skin and hot air.

[dpedin]

It’s not a very good report really though.

The whole situation around these child rape gangs is absolutely awful and we need to be clear headed to deal with it. It’s no surprise, given the population, that there are more white gangs but as far as I’m aware (and I fully accept I may be wrong), there isn’t a systematic issue with these white gangs being investigated and prosecuted. By contrast there seems to be plenty of issues, around race, culture etc, regarding investigation of some Asian gangs. This has been extremely well documented as we know.

It’s beyond frustrating that there are still folk who for some reason are desperate to challenge this very obvious and demonstrable fact which is what got us into the mess in the first place.

No one is saying that Asian child rape gangs are worse than white child rape gangs, they are all cunts, but as I say above, there has been a very obvious reluctance for the authorities to treat them in the same way and that is what we have to stop. Making lots of excuses or false equivalency’s isn’t helping that

I accept the data is poor and incomplete however all the reports I have referenced are the best we have. I am certainly not making 'lots of false excuses or false equivalences' - however I much rather prefer to deal with the facts and figures in order to assess the problem and formulate a response, call me old fashioned if you want!

The 2020 Group CSA report, prefaced by that well known liberal Priti Patel, stated that 'Based on the existing evidence, and our understanding of the flaws in the existing data, it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.'

It is surely better to drive the local and national efforts to reduce CSA and group based CSA and protect victims on the existing evidence than it is on supposition and prejudices about specific groups of the population?

Here are a couple of reported group based CSA crimes from the news.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24 ... ref=twtrec
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xj559g571o

You rightly point out the cultural sensitivities of investigating certain groups of offenders in the past, no one is disputing that. Some police forces, social services etc responses around ethnic offenders were poor and ill informed, the Jay Report into Rotherham, 2014 and her National Report, 2022 made this clear. However I am less clear that Pakistani or Asian offenders are more leniently dealt with when they get to court. I have seen no evidence of this in terms of the sentencing they receive compared to white, British gangs - perhaps you could point me to this evidence?

Bottom line is CSA and group based CSA is a horrendous crime. All offenders need to be tracked down and punished. The vast majority of group based CSA crime is committed by White British folk, the evidence on this is irrefutable, and broadly in line with the % of the population. Yes the police and other authorities need to ensure their response is consistent across all ethnic groups within the UK - probably best to crack on with implementing the Jay Report recommendations then?

The thing you are not really grasping is that there is no reason to believe in any of the institutions who are entrusted with protecting children.

It's like believing someone who has lied to you dozens of times is now telling the truth.

Every institution in Britain has some previous with regards to paedophile behaviour - BBC, police, Prince Andrew, C of E, Labour party - and the common denominator is their concern for protecting the reputation of the institution over justice for the kids.

The opportunity for dealing with this in house has been and gone. There needs to be a forensic inquiry into this conducted by a neutral international body. Getting compromised bodies to conduct their own investigation is the classic fox guarding henhouse scenario. It is the Vatican model for dealing with child abuse.

Interesting you mention the Labour Party but not the Conservatives - home to Tractor Porn Parrish, Pincher by Nature, Groper Khan and a 15 yo boy, coked up sex pest Warburton, Wife Raper Griffiths, Sex Pest Elphicke, another Sex Pest Roberts, Fondler Fallon, Sextpest Crabb, Sugar Tits Garnier and Porno Green plus others which remain anonymous. Oh and dont forget the Blonde Bumbelcunt himself and his dodgy parties in Italy courtesy of Lebedev. Yes there are also Labour MPs and others who have stood down/been sacked for sex related behaviors but the Tories set a blistering pace in the race to the bottom.

So where is this International body going to be coming from? France home of the Pellicot case, Belgium with a track record of paedo rings at highest levels of Gov, US with an incoming sex offender President who boasts of sexually assaulting women and home to states who allow men to marry 14 year olds, Italy home of the Catholic Church possibly the single largest organization of paedophilies, Ireland - see Italy? You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the UK is any different to the rest of the world or that an international body drawn from other countries could investigate the UK when they all have their own issues on this topic and possibly are just as compromised.

I believe we had made steps forward with the various reviews of CSE and group based CSA in the last 10 years but failed to actually implement almost all of the recommendations. I wonder why the last Gov didnt want to implement them? It is ironic that the one person who is trusted by almost everyone of all political parties to speak out against women and children abuse and has done so for years, Jess Phillips, has been targeted for awful abuse by the right wing nutters such as Musk. Again I wonder why? Perhaps it is because he and his IT mates hate the idea of regulation of their social media platforms and see Phillips, and Starmer, along with the EU as a huge risk to their unfettered freedoms to peddle filth on their networks? Their current attacks by Musk and the changes by META are not about seeking to stop CSA it is the opposite, they want to stop the UK Gov and the EU introduce and implement stricter regulatory frameworks on social media and to hold their organizations accountable the easiest way of doing this is to try and take down the individuals and organizations pushing these through! Look at their attacks on Brazil and Australia.

Let's just get on and implement the Jay Report recommendations in full, they are not perfect but will make a big impact and build from there. We do have many others like Phillips who are trusted across our institutions who can and should be trusted to get on with the job and implement the various recommendations. It will take time and meet resistance along the way but the likes of Phillips, Jay, etc should be given everything they need to take this forward asap. Lets just feckin get on with it!!!

[Kiwias]

Mehdi Hasan on Zeteo has a fine interview with Nazir Afzal, a former Chief Crown Prosecutor in the UK, on this matter.

[Uncle fester]

That's a positive thing.

Debate to be had re that but timing is the real point if interest here. The oligarchs smell blood in the water and it's the little guy who is going to suffer.

Zuckerberg is asking Trump to put pressure on the EU to cancel the fines against Meta. Going all in punching down fits right in with Trump's entire life to date. Flatter the tyrant to shelter.under his wings.

Until he has used you up and stakes you out.

It's all part of Zuckerberg love bombing Trump.
See also: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/ ... agas-favor

[Hugo]

I accept the data is poor and incomplete however all the reports I have referenced are the best we have. I am certainly not making 'lots of false excuses or false equivalences' - however I much rather prefer to deal with the facts and figures in order to assess the problem and formulate a response, call me old fashioned if you want!

The 2020 Group CSA report, prefaced by that well known liberal Priti Patel, stated that 'Based on the existing evidence, and our understanding of the flaws in the existing data, it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.'

It is surely better to drive the local and national efforts to reduce CSA and group based CSA and protect victims on the existing evidence than it is on supposition and prejudices about specific groups of the population?

Here are a couple of reported group based CSA crimes from the news.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24 ... ref=twtrec
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xj559g571o

You rightly point out the cultural sensitivities of investigating certain groups of offenders in the past, no one is disputing that. Some police forces, social services etc responses around ethnic offenders were poor and ill informed, the Jay Report into Rotherham, 2014 and her National Report, 2022 made this clear. However I am less clear that Pakistani or Asian offenders are more leniently dealt with when they get to court. I have seen no evidence of this in terms of the sentencing they receive compared to white, British gangs - perhaps you could point me to this evidence?

Bottom line is CSA and group based CSA is a horrendous crime. All offenders need to be tracked down and punished. The vast majority of group based CSA crime is committed by White British folk, the evidence on this is irrefutable, and broadly in line with the % of the population. Yes the police and other authorities need to ensure their response is consistent across all ethnic groups within the UK - probably best to crack on with implementing the Jay Report recommendations then?

The thing you are not really grasping is that there is no reason to believe in any of the institutions who are entrusted with protecting children.

It's like believing someone who has lied to you dozens of times is now telling the truth.

Every institution in Britain has some previous with regards to paedophile behaviour - BBC, police, Prince Andrew, C of E, Labour party - and the common denominator is their concern for protecting the reputation of the institution over justice for the kids.

The opportunity for dealing with this in house has been and gone. There needs to be a forensic inquiry into this conducted by a neutral international body. Getting compromised bodies to conduct their own investigation is the classic fox guarding henhouse scenario. It is the Vatican model for dealing with child abuse.

Interesting you mention the Labour Party but not the Conservatives - home to Tractor Porn Parrish, Pincher by Nature, Groper Khan and a 15 yo boy, coked up sex pest Warburton, Wife Raper Griffiths, Sex Pest Elphicke, another Sex Pest Roberts, Fondler Fallon, Sextpest Crabb, Sugar Tits Garnier and Porno Green plus others which remain anonymous. Oh and dont forget the Blonde Bumbelcunt himself and his dodgy parties in Italy courtesy of Lebedev. Yes there are also Labour MPs and others who have stood down/been sacked for sex related behaviors but the Tories set a blistering pace in the race to the bottom.

So where is this International body going to be coming from? France home of the Pellicot case, Belgium with a track record of paedo rings at highest levels of Gov, US with an incoming sex offender President who boasts of sexually assaulting women and home to states who allow men to marry 14 year olds, Italy home of the Catholic Church possibly the single largest organization of paedophilies, Ireland - see Italy? You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the UK is any different to the rest of the world or that an international body drawn from other countries could investigate the UK when they all have their own issues on this topic and possibly are just as compromised.

I believe we had made steps forward with the various reviews of CSE and group based CSA in the last 10 years but failed to actually implement almost all of the recommendations. I wonder why the last Gov didnt want to implement them? It is ironic that the one person who is trusted by almost everyone of all political parties to speak out against women and children abuse and has done so for years, Jess Phillips, has been targeted for awful abuse by the right wing nutters such as Musk. Again I wonder why? Perhaps it is because he and his IT mates hate the idea of regulation of their social media platforms and see Phillips, and Starmer, along with the EU as a huge risk to their unfettered freedoms to peddle filth on their networks? Their current attacks by Musk and the changes by META are not about seeking to stop CSA it is the opposite, they want to stop the UK Gov and the EU introduce and implement stricter regulatory frameworks on social media and to hold their organizations accountable the easiest way of doing this is to try and take down the individuals and organizations pushing these through! Look at their attacks on Brazil and Australia.

Let's just get on and implement the Jay Report recommendations in full, they are not perfect but will make a big impact and build from there. We do have many others like Phillips who are trusted across our institutions who can and should be trusted to get on with the job and implement the various recommendations. It will take time and meet resistance along the way but the likes of Phillips, Jay, etc should be given everything they need to take this forward asap. Lets just feckin get on with it!!!

Rape has an exceptionally low conviction rate - less than 5% of alleged rapes end in a successful prosecution. So, in essence it is a low risk crime for a perpetrator. Therefore the goal has to be preventing rapes in the first place because once they happen the odds of the victim getting justice are slim. In the meantime they will have to live with that trauma for a very long time, maybe they will be scarred for life.

In order to bring the overall number of rapes down authorities have to be accurate in everything they do and cannot afford to be lackadaisical in their approach. That means in terms of communication, sentencing, investigations and so on and so forth. Providing cover to rapists is the polar opposite of that. Inaction can be construed as tacit permission granting, silence is complicity and all that.

So it is that from the time the Rotherham story first made headlines in The Times to when Musk began obsessively tweeting about this over 10 years has elapsed and during that time rapes and sexual assaults have risen to their highest levels since records were kept on the crime. 2022 was a record year and 2023 surpassed that.

Labour made a pre election promise to expedite the handling of rape cases so that backlogs could be addressed. They have since reneged on that promise because I don't think they have the resources to deliver on what they said they were going to do. They aren't willing to hold a national enquiry either and as you say the Tories are not blameless.

At a certain point if governments can't get a handle on this particular problem and start making inroads into it they will lose legitimacy and people will be willing to go to extreme lengths to do what the state either can't do or chooses not to. I believe the riots last summer after the Southport killings were an expression of that sentiment.

As fashionable as it is to say billionaires are a threat to democracy it is also true that ineffective or corrupt politicians also undermine democracy. Instead of always deflecting away from their responsibilities and pinning it on the likes of Musk or the far right they need to start owning their part in the mess and give people something to believe in. The Liverpool MP Dan Carden seems to have called for a full accounting of the status quo and I hope that others in Parliament follow suit.

[SaintK]

Steve doesn't love him anymore!!

In an interview with the Corriere della Sera newspaper in Italy, excerpts of which were published this weekend by Breitbart, Bannon criticised Musk’s embrace of some forms of immigration and vowed to ensure that Musk does not have top-level access to the White House.

“He is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. I made it my personal thing to take this guy down,” Bannon said. “Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it – I’m not prepared to tolerate it any more.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2 ... sk-racist

[dpedin]

The thing you are not really grasping is that there is no reason to believe in any of the institutions who are entrusted with protecting children.

It's like believing someone who has lied to you dozens of times is now telling the truth.

Every institution in Britain has some previous with regards to paedophile behaviour - BBC, police, Prince Andrew, C of E, Labour party - and the common denominator is their concern for protecting the reputation of the institution over justice for the kids.

The opportunity for dealing with this in house has been and gone. There needs to be a forensic inquiry into this conducted by a neutral international body. Getting compromised bodies to conduct their own investigation is the classic fox guarding henhouse scenario. It is the Vatican model for dealing with child abuse.

Interesting you mention the Labour Party but not the Conservatives - home to Tractor Porn Parrish, Pincher by Nature, Groper Khan and a 15 yo boy, coked up sex pest Warburton, Wife Raper Griffiths, Sex Pest Elphicke, another Sex Pest Roberts, Fondler Fallon, Sextpest Crabb, Sugar Tits Garnier and Porno Green plus others which remain anonymous. Oh and dont forget the Blonde Bumbelcunt himself and his dodgy parties in Italy courtesy of Lebedev. Yes there are also Labour MPs and others who have stood down/been sacked for sex related behaviors but the Tories set a blistering pace in the race to the bottom.

So where is this International body going to be coming from? France home of the Pellicot case, Belgium with a track record of paedo rings at highest levels of Gov, US with an incoming sex offender President who boasts of sexually assaulting women and home to states who allow men to marry 14 year olds, Italy home of the Catholic Church possibly the single largest organization of paedophilies, Ireland - see Italy? You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the UK is any different to the rest of the world or that an international body drawn from other countries could investigate the UK when they all have their own issues on this topic and possibly are just as compromised.

I believe we had made steps forward with the various reviews of CSE and group based CSA in the last 10 years but failed to actually implement almost all of the recommendations. I wonder why the last Gov didnt want to implement them? It is ironic that the one person who is trusted by almost everyone of all political parties to speak out against women and children abuse and has done so for years, Jess Phillips, has been targeted for awful abuse by the right wing nutters such as Musk. Again I wonder why? Perhaps it is because he and his IT mates hate the idea of regulation of their social media platforms and see Phillips, and Starmer, along with the EU as a huge risk to their unfettered freedoms to peddle filth on their networks? Their current attacks by Musk and the changes by META are not about seeking to stop CSA it is the opposite, they want to stop the UK Gov and the EU introduce and implement stricter regulatory frameworks on social media and to hold their organizations accountable the easiest way of doing this is to try and take down the individuals and organizations pushing these through! Look at their attacks on Brazil and Australia.

Let's just get on and implement the Jay Report recommendations in full, they are not perfect but will make a big impact and build from there. We do have many others like Phillips who are trusted across our institutions who can and should be trusted to get on with the job and implement the various recommendations. It will take time and meet resistance along the way but the likes of Phillips, Jay, etc should be given everything they need to take this forward asap. Lets just feckin get on with it!!!

Rape has an exceptionally low conviction rate - less than 5% of alleged rapes end in a successful prosecution. So, in essence it is a low risk crime for a perpetrator. Therefore the goal has to be preventing rapes in the first place because once they happen the odds of the victim getting justice are slim. In the meantime they will have to live with that trauma for a very long time, maybe they will be scarred for life.

In order to bring the overall number of rapes down authorities have to be accurate in everything they do and cannot afford to be lackadaisical in their approach. That means in terms of communication, sentencing, investigations and so on and so forth. Providing cover to rapists is the polar opposite of that. Inaction can be construed as tacit permission granting, silence is complicity and all that.

So it is that from the time the Rotherham story first made headlines in The Times to when Musk began obsessively tweeting about this over 10 years has elapsed and during that time rapes and sexual assaults have risen to their highest levels since records were kept on the crime. 2022 was a record year and 2023 surpassed that.

Labour made a pre election promise to expedite the handling of rape cases so that backlogs could be addressed. They have since reneged on that promise because I don't think they have the resources to deliver on what they said they were going to do. They aren't willing to hold a national enquiry either and as you say the Tories are not blameless.

At a certain point if governments can't get a handle on this particular problem and start making inroads into it they will lose legitimacy and people will be willing to go to extreme lengths to do what the state either can't do or chooses not to. I believe the riots last summer after the Southport killings were an expression of that sentiment.

As fashionable as it is to say billionaires are a threat to democracy it is also true that ineffective or corrupt politicians also undermine democracy. Instead of always deflecting away from their responsibilities and pinning it on the likes of Musk or the far right they need to start owning their part in the mess and give people something to believe in. The Liverpool MP Dan Carden seems to have called for a full accounting of the status quo and I hope that others in Parliament follow suit.

Rape is a heinous crime and the conviction rates are deplorable. However this is different set of sexual abuse crimes from the CSA and group based CSA we were discussing.

As you say Labours promises on increasing rate of rape prosecutions seem to have faltered, mainly due to lack of lawyers and issues with criminal casework payments - see attached article.Both these issues will take a bit of time to resolve. Having spent a little bit of time in my varied career working with FME (Forensic Medical Examiners) in a bit of Scotland, they are the docs who have to go and collect clinical evidence from offenders and victims, I wouldn't underestimate the complexities in gathering evidence to support a rape claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... of-lawyers

In terms of children the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill is making good progress - for a summary see attached.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... _Notes.pdf

Progress on implementing the Jay Report recommendations has been slow - see attached. The cynical amongst us would the previous Gov were slow to pick them up as the potential bill to pay for compensation would run into the many millions and as with the Post Office Scandal, Infected Blood and Nuclear Test Victim scandal the previous Gov had put away didddly squat to pay for any of these ... hence the huge black hole!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0m ... up%20abuse.

I am not really sure what you expect a new Gov to have done in the last 6 months of being in power and having inherited a shit show in terms of finances and public services?

[sturginho]

Lettuce Liz is trying to cozy up to Musk now, poor Liz, doesn't realise that Musk has never even heard of her

[inactionman]

Lettuce Liz is trying to cozy up to Musk now, poor Liz, doesn't realise that Musk has never even heard of her

Can't help thinking she might have done quite well if she was a US politician.

eta: by that I mean not get kicked out on her arse when her idiocy was properly rumbled.

[Uncle fester]

Meta want to replace mid level engineers with AI.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2521499/zu ... -this-year

[Hellraiser]

Meta want to replace mid level engineers with AI.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2521499/zu ... -this-year

Good luck with that.

[JM2K6]

Meta want to replace mid level engineers with AI.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2521499/zu ... -this-year

Lmao okay

[sockwithaticket]

It's a bad idea, but I imagine there'll be some painful job losses before the higher ups (Zuck) accept it. Look at the metaverse flop and the bizarre attempt to bring back smart glasses in partnership with Rayban.

[Uncle fester]

It's a bad idea, but I imagine there'll be some painful job losses before the higher ups (Zuck) accept it. Look at the metaverse flop and the bizarre attempt to bring back smart glasses in partnership with Rayban.

Trump isn't even in the door and the tech oligarchs are falling over themselves too outdo each other in pseudo Randian cuntiness. We might laugh but this will embolden others in attempting to ape that cuntiness.

What is their end game here?
99% of the globe living like this and the remainder buying their produce?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrylgvr77jo