Another idiot gets caught showboating over the tryline

[Torquemada 1420]

In case you can't see it, Vakatawa strolls over the tryline and farts around, only to get smashed by Villiere who also dislodges the ball. No try and it cost Racing the game.

This should work

[Slick]

Lovely

[SaintK]

Lovely

Read about it. Didn't realise it was that bad!!!

[dkm57]

Sweet

[sockwithaticket]

What an absolute donkey.

Great attitude from Villiere to follow up like that. Hunger and work rate don't require talent, but are just as important

[Tichtheid]

What a doughnut, the work from Thomas to put him into space was terrific, but that is a shocker

[Kawazaki]

How did they restart the game?

[Sandstorm]

How did they restart the game?

Knife fight

[Niegs]

I'd watch more sevens if this happened more often... the long, unopposed runs are boring enough. Turning around and standing tall, waiting for someone to come before dotting down/the ref says to get on with it causes me an irrational level of anger (even if they claim it's just catching their breath... fudge off! Dot the ball down immediately! Catch your damn breath walking back to half!)

[Torquemada 1420]

I'd watch more sevens if this happened more often... the long, unopposed runs are boring enough. Turning around and standing tall, waiting for someone to come before dotting down/the ref says to get on with it causes me an irrational level of anger (even if they claim it's just catching their breath... fudge off! Dot the ball down immediately! Catch your damn breath walking back to half!)

I don't mind it. Forces lazy defenders to get off their arses if they want to win.

[Openside]

How did they restart the game?

Should be 5 yard scrum to defenders? It didn’t look like it was knocked over by villierre hand so knock on?

[sockwithaticket]

How did they restart the game?

Should be 5 yard scrum to defenders? It didn’t look like it was knocked over by villierre hand so knock on?

Villiere was the defender, so it'd be a knock back if anything. To me it looks like he jars Vakatawa's hand rather than knocking the ball himself in which case, it's a fumble in goal by the attacking player and the 22 drop out.

[Openside]

How did they restart the game?

Should be 5 yard scrum to defenders? It didn’t look like it was knocked over by villierre hand so knock on?

Villiere was the defender, so it'd be a knock back if anything. To me it looks like he jars Vakatawa's hand rather than knocking the ball himself in which case, it's a fumble in goal by the attacking player and the 22 drop out.

You clearly misunderstood what I wrote. The knock on was from Racing 92 - I thought knock Ons in goal still counted

[sockwithaticket]

Should be 5 yard scrum to defenders? It didn’t look like it was knocked over by villierre hand so knock on?

Villiere was the defender, so it'd be a knock back if anything. To me it looks like he jars Vakatawa's hand rather than knocking the ball himself in which case, it's a fumble in goal by the attacking player and the 22 drop out.

You clearly misunderstood what I wrote. The knock on was from Racing 92 - I thought knock Ons in goal still counted

Yeah sorry, I misread that as you saying the ball came off Villiere. It is a 5m scrum to defending team if the attacking team knock on in goal, I had a brainfart thinking that as the drop out would probably be more desirable for the defense they'd get it.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Still not close to the GOAT!

[Blake]

Still not close to the GOAT!

I dunno. I think the botched tries fall into 3 categories:

3. Blind tackles where the played didn't realise an opponent was chasing him.
e.g. Robbie Fleck or Vakatawa in the OP


2. Attacking player fully aware of opponent, but trying to do something clever and getting caught out
Eg. Carling's non-try

1. Players showboating when NOBODY is even close and fucking up a scoring opportunity. To me, these are worse offenders that Carling's one...at least he was trying to get closer to the posts.
Eg. Some of these howlers

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Still not close to the GOAT!

I dunno. I think the botched tries fall into 3 categories:

3. Blind tackles where the played didn't realise an opponent was chasing him.
e.g. Robbie Fleck or Vakatawa in the OP


2. Attacking player fully aware of opponent, but trying to do something clever and getting caught out
Eg. Carling's non-try

1. Players showboating when NOBODY is even close and fucking up a scoring opportunity. To me, these are worse offenders that Carling's one...at least he was trying to get closer to the posts.
Eg. Some of these howlers

There are some great ones there. I just really like the manshaming of being physically carried out by your opponents, and I say that as a Quins fan!

[Niegs]

Further to my dislike of sevens players farting about in-goal:

[Blake]

Sevens is nutritious for faffing about in the ingoal. Good selection there.

I’m waiting for the day when one of these fuckers gets a breakaway try and then waits 20-30 seconds for an opponent to get close before dotting the ball down, and then drops it.

[Torquemada 1420]

Still not close to the GOAT!

Freddie Burns' ending Bath's HEC campaign the 1st home match of Euro season has to be the most costly:

[Torquemada 1420]

We could throw in Dominici's against Italy but can't find a vid and maybe he should rest in peace!

[Niegs]

Sevens is nutritious for faffing about in the ingoal. Good selection there.

I’m waiting for the day when one of these fuckers gets a breakaway try and then waits 20-30 seconds for an opponent to get close before dotting the ball down, and then drops it.

I've stopped watching, but when I do tune into highlights, it seems refs give them a "okay, put it down" after a few seconds.

[JM2K6]

Sevens is nutritious for faffing about in the ingoal. Good selection there.

I’m waiting for the day when one of these fuckers gets a breakaway try and then waits 20-30 seconds for an opponent to get close before dotting the ball down, and then drops it.

I've stopped watching, but when I do tune into highlights, it seems refs give them a "okay, put it down" after a few seconds.

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

[Openside]

Sevens is nutritious for faffing about in the ingoal. Good selection there.

I’m waiting for the day when one of these fuckers gets a breakaway try and then waits 20-30 seconds for an opponent to get close before dotting the ball down, and then drops it.

I've stopped watching, but when I do tune into highlights, it seems refs give them a "okay, put it down" after a few seconds.

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

[GogLais]

I've stopped watching, but when I do tune into highlights, it seems refs give them a "okay, put it down" after a few seconds.

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

I can’t stand this ref coaching/instructing stuff. If it’s legal get on with it, if it’s illegal penalise it. The players will learn soon enough. Won’t they?

[JM2K6]

I've stopped watching, but when I do tune into highlights, it seems refs give them a "okay, put it down" after a few seconds.

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

Yes, sort of. You could argue that there's little a team can do to legally affect that situation if the team in possession has full control of the ruck or scrum. But they have been legislating for this - I don't see the value in legislating for "must put down the ball if you have it after x seconds". The opposition have an easy solution: tackle the fucker like you're supposed to.

[Openside]

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

I can’t stand this ref coaching/instructing stuff. If it’s legal get on with it, if it’s illegal penalise it. The players will learn soon enough. Won’t they?

I agree with that, players must decide whether the ball is out and up for grabs if they are wrong they will get penalised ditto the use it shite, if the No.9 takes too long ping him it will focus their minds.

[Openside]

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

Yes, sort of. You could argue that there's little a team can do to legally affect that situation if the team in possession has full control of the ruck or scrum. But they have been legislating for this - I don't see the value in legislating for "must put down the ball if you have it after x seconds". The opposition have an easy solution: tackle the fucker like you're supposed to.

Fair enough, I guess the point in sevens is all about speeding the game up (all players don't need to retire behind goal line for the kick etc. so spectators don't want to pay to watch someone standing holding a ball for two minutes (esp if they have a player in the bin)

[JM2K6]

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

Yes, sort of. You could argue that there's little a team can do to legally affect that situation if the team in possession has full control of the ruck or scrum. But they have been legislating for this - I don't see the value in legislating for "must put down the ball if you have it after x seconds". The opposition have an easy solution: tackle the fucker like you're supposed to.

Fair enough, I guess the point in sevens is all about speeding the game up (all players don't need to retire behind goal line for the kick etc. so spectators don't want to pay to watch someone standing holding a ball for two minutes (esp if they have a player in the bin)

I don't think that should extend to forcing players to not do entirely legal things when the ball is in play, though!

[Openside]

Yes, sort of. You could argue that there's little a team can do to legally affect that situation if the team in possession has full control of the ruck or scrum. But they have been legislating for this - I don't see the value in legislating for "must put down the ball if you have it after x seconds". The opposition have an easy solution: tackle the fucker like you're supposed to.

Fair enough, I guess the point in sevens is all about speeding the game up (all players don't need to retire behind goal line for the kick etc. so spectators don't want to pay to watch someone standing holding a ball for two minutes (esp if they have a player in the bin)

I don't think that should extend to forcing players to not do entirely legal things when the ball is in play, though!

its all down to interpretation, its legal to hold the ball in a scrum. All these calls are made to 'improve the spectacle'

[Torquemada 1420]

I've stopped watching, but when I do tune into highlights, it seems refs give them a "okay, put it down" after a few seconds.

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

Opposition can't come round until the ball is out. Catch 22 there!

[GogLais]

That's dumb. It's part of the game. The ball is "live", it's up to the defenders to force the player to touch it down.

On that basis so is "Use it" at the base of the ruck/scrum?

Opposition can't come round until the ball is out. Catch 22 there!

It's bizarre. In what other similar sport can a player stand there unchallenged (unchallengable if there is such a word) for five seconds? Other than goalkeepers. I've watched rugby long enough so I should know the answer but I've no idea what changed to bring this about.

[Blake]

I've watched rugby long enough so I should know the answer but I've no idea what changed to bring this about.

Rucks used to be a mess of bodies and tussling, creating ugly ball for 9's who just wanted to get the ball out quickly and cleanly.

But over time much has changed:

• Rucks have become more formalised, so there is only a small window where it can be effectively disrupted

• 9's are protected when playing the ball, so they can take their time with less risk

• Defensive structures have evolved al lot and forwards give up competing for the ball to rather join the defensive line...creating less pressure to clear the ball

• Attacking structures have evolved and realised that once the defense is set, you might as well use the extra time to try and set a more structured attack or kick chase

So yeah, previously there wasn't an incentive to slow it down at the base of a ruck, now there is.

[Niegs]

It's bizarre. In what other similar sport can a player stand there unchallenged (unchallengable if there is such a word) for five seconds? Other than goalkeepers. I've watched rugby long enough so I should know the answer but I've no idea what changed to bring this about.

Well, the five seconds prevents time wasting... not unlike basketball's 10 seconds to get the ball over half, the shot clock to use it in the attacking zone, and not being allowed to cross back over half. Before that, teams with a lead would take the piss and just pass it around. American football has 40 seconds to start a play or be penalized 5 yards (in Canada it's just 20 seconds).

[GogLais]

I've watched rugby long enough so I should know the answer but I've no idea what changed to bring this about.

Rucks used to be a mess of bodies and tussling, creating ugly ball for 9's who just wanted to get the ball out quickly and cleanly.

But over time much has changed:

• Rucks have become more formalised, so there is only a small window where it can be effectively disrupted

• 9's are protected when playing the ball, so they can take their time with less risk

• Defensive structures have evolved al lot and forwards give up competing for the ball to rather join the defensive line...creating less pressure to clear the ball

• Attacking structures have evolved and realised that once the defense is set, you might as well use the extra time to try and set a more structured attack or kick chase

So yeah, previously there wasn't an incentive to slow it down at the base of a ruck, now there is.

Thanks.

[GogLais]

It's bizarre. In what other similar sport can a player stand there unchallenged (unchallengable if there is such a word) for five seconds? Other than goalkeepers. I've watched rugby long enough so I should know the answer but I've no idea what changed to bring this about.

Well, the five seconds prevents time wasting... not unlike basketball's 10 seconds to get the ball over half, the shot clock to use it in the attacking zone, and not being allowed to cross back over half. Before that, teams with a lead would take the piss and just pass it around. American football has 40 seconds to start a play or be penalized 5 yards (in Canada it's just 20 seconds).

I don't know enough about basketball to comment but American football is a good example, the quarterback can't stand there inviolate for five seconds while he makes up his mind.

[Sandstorm]

So yeah, previously there wasn't an incentive to slow it down at the base of a ruck, now there is.

But this will also backfire on the attacking team who's 9 will always think "Slow down, setup fo the next phase" instead of keeping the pace cracked on and his team moving across the gainline.
Hence the rise of the dreaded "Meerkat Scrummie"

When he's clearing quick ball from behind the ruck and flogging his team forward, no-one does it better than Snecky.

[Torquemada 1420]

But this will also backfire on the attacking team who's 9 will always think "Slow down, setup fo the next phase" instead of keeping the pace cracked on and his team moving across the gainline.
Hence the rise of the dreaded "Meerkat Scrummie"

When he's clearing quick ball from behind the ruck and flogging his team forward, no-one does it better than Snecky.

This. The law changes just made the likes of Parra and Serin worse because they now had an excuse.

[Blake]

So yeah, previously there wasn't an incentive to slow it down at the base of a ruck, now there is.

But this will also backfire on the attacking team who's 9 will always think "Slow down, setup fo the next phase" instead of keeping the pace cracked on and his team moving across the gainline.
Hence the rise of the dreaded "Meerkat Scrummie"

When he's clearing quick ball from behind the ruck and flogging his team forward, no-one does it better than Snecky.

Agreed, but that the the one extreme. The other is a scrummy that does everything at breakneck speed all the time. Faf used to play like that early in his career. It also wasn’t great.

At the end of the day it’s about good decision making from the 9. Sometimes forcing a quick play isn’t the correct call. When defense is set, but attack isn’t, or when the attack is too simple and predictable, then a turnover is more probable than another clean attacking phase.