2021 South African Preparation Series

[Sards]

Why do you think our cricket and WP rugby are in the kak. Administrations of colour kak. Qouta administrators. They are like you, quota poster.

Look you won't find argument from me that sport is farked here in Province. Our cricket is a complete joke. Covid has played its part but in general.....sheets.....
The only efficient organization is the KFC mini cricket.

I feel desperately sorry for the kids...end of this year my older son will have to leave his club of 4 years and search for a new club. His club Sunningdale doesn't have enough players to make up an under 14/15 side. The schools in the area are not promoting cricket and the teacher/ coaches at schools have no experience of the game. The most prestigious school for cricket in the area , Milnerton high is looking for kids to make up their sides...in years before there used to be a first all the way to fifth side in each age group. Now Milnerton ( where De Allende and Daniel Vickerman went ), is struggling to field a second team. The clubs are grabbing up whatever players they can get there hands on. Its all falling apart. There is no oversight at the schools and sport is not being encouraged. The private schools are the worst.

You don't think that Clubs are the way forward?
Sport should be a choice and not compulsory at school. If you want to play rugby, go join a club where a trained and qualified coach can coach you. Not just Mr Smith the grade 2 Maths teacher.

Perfect sense....in a real world.
The problem lies in the fact that kids since Covid are not interested in extra mural activities and cant wait to get home to get onto fortnite or whatever the fancy is at the moment...and parents have fallen into that trap because during lockdown these distractions kept the kids busy....making sports compulsory at school and providing proper coaching is the only way to feed the clubs. There has to be an initial interest at school , and then the move to club when you feel that its going to benefit the kid further. At Milnerton high where I would prefer my kids to go , the teachers are selected for 2 reasons , academic acumen and a coaching or mentor role....I know as we are friends with teachers there. If you cannot provide both you will not teach there.

There is a huge difference between Club and school....At club your stats are monitored and its a lot of pressure on the kids to perform....When my kid bowled the middle stumps out of the 2 openers of the opposition on Saturday you should have seen how they reacted when leaving the pitch.....the deep dissapointment and tears , these kids are performers and those figures are going to affect their stats....besides which my son was restricting their scoring eventually forcing them into shots that got their wickets ..... so the frustration is real.
At school its just for fun.....so when you start improving more than the other kids thats when you look at joining a club. You have to understand that its a huge move for the kids...suddenly you go from being the big fish in a small pond to being the small fish in a huge pool and everyone is more skilled and talented than you having being playing club for years....But ultimately the schools need to awaken the desire and the clubs refine the kids with better coaching and playing facilities.

[handyman]

Vok I try to compliment SARU for developing black rugby talents from EP.

Since when is that racist?

They are not developing it. They are just putting people in a team and letting them play against better teams that are better coached with better admin.

There's a massive difference.

There are always better teams, better coach, admin then Amathole.
They are a poor province.
Havent you watch the Mapimpi story in Chasing the Sun?
You sound like the racist here.

So I am a racist for wanting better administration and a better coaching team at EP? How do you come to that conclusion? If it can be prevented to ship cricket scores every time they play, why don't do it?

[handyman]

Look you won't find argument from me that sport is farked here in Province. Our cricket is a complete joke. Covid has played its part but in general.....sheets.....
The only efficient organization is the KFC mini cricket.

I feel desperately sorry for the kids...end of this year my older son will have to leave his club of 4 years and search for a new club. His club Sunningdale doesn't have enough players to make up an under 14/15 side. The schools in the area are not promoting cricket and the teacher/ coaches at schools have no experience of the game. The most prestigious school for cricket in the area , Milnerton high is looking for kids to make up their sides...in years before there used to be a first all the way to fifth side in each age group. Now Milnerton ( where De Allende and Daniel Vickerman went ), is struggling to field a second team. The clubs are grabbing up whatever players they can get there hands on. Its all falling apart. There is no oversight at the schools and sport is not being encouraged. The private schools are the worst.

You don't think that Clubs are the way forward?
Sport should be a choice and not compulsory at school. If you want to play rugby, go join a club where a trained and qualified coach can coach you. Not just Mr Smith the grade 2 Maths teacher.

Perfect sense....in a real world.
The problem lies in the fact that kids since Covid are not interested in extra mural activities and cant wait to get home to get onto fortnite or whatever the fancy is at the moment...and parents have fallen into that trap because during lockdown these distractions kept the kids busy....making sports compulsory at school and providing proper coaching is the only way to feed the clubs. There has to be an initial interest at school , and then the move to club when you feel that its going to benefit the kid further. At Milnerton high where I would prefer my kids to go , the teachers are selected for 2 reasons , academic acumen and a coaching or mentor role....I know as we are friends with teachers there. If you cannot provide both you will not teach there.

There is a huge difference between Club and school....At club your stats are monitored and its a lot of pressure on the kids to perform....When my kid bowled the middle stumps out of the 2 openers of the opposition on Saturday you should have seen how they reacted when leaving the pitch.....the deep dissapointment and tears , these kids are performers and those figures are going to affect their stats....besides which my son was restricting their scoring eventually forcing them into shots that got their wickets ..... so the frustration is real.
At school its just for fun.....so when you start improving more than the other kids thats when you look at joining a club. You have to understand that its a huge move for the kids...suddenly you go from being the big fish in a small pond to being the small fish in a huge pool and everyone is more skilled and talented than you having being playing club for years....But ultimately the schools need to awaken the desire and the clubs refine the kids with better coaching and playing facilities.

If you are not man enough to limit your children's screen time, that's on you boet. You have a responsibility to help them lead balanced lives.

[Sards]

You don't think that Clubs are the way forward?
Sport should be a choice and not compulsory at school. If you want to play rugby, go join a club where a trained and qualified coach can coach you. Not just Mr Smith the grade 2 Maths teacher.

Perfect sense....in a real world.
The problem lies in the fact that kids since Covid are not interested in extra mural activities and cant wait to get home to get onto fortnite or whatever the fancy is at the moment...and parents have fallen into that trap because during lockdown these distractions kept the kids busy....making sports compulsory at school and providing proper coaching is the only way to feed the clubs. There has to be an initial interest at school , and then the move to club when you feel that its going to benefit the kid further. At Milnerton high where I would prefer my kids to go , the teachers are selected for 2 reasons , academic acumen and a coaching or mentor role....I know as we are friends with teachers there. If you cannot provide both you will not teach there.

There is a huge difference between Club and school....At club your stats are monitored and its a lot of pressure on the kids to perform....When my kid bowled the middle stumps out of the 2 openers of the opposition on Saturday you should have seen how they reacted when leaving the pitch.....the deep dissapointment and tears , these kids are performers and those figures are going to affect their stats....besides which my son was restricting their scoring eventually forcing them into shots that got their wickets ..... so the frustration is real.
At school its just for fun.....so when you start improving more than the other kids thats when you look at joining a club. You have to understand that its a huge move for the kids...suddenly you go from being the big fish in a small pond to being the small fish in a huge pool and everyone is more skilled and talented than you having being playing club for years....But ultimately the schools need to awaken the desire and the clubs refine the kids with better coaching and playing facilities.

If you are not man enough to limit your children's screen time, that's on you boet. You have a responsibility to help them lead balanced lives.

What do you think I am doing.......just making these things up in my mind...my kids are very active and are doing fine academically.

[OomStruisbaai]

Sards keep your personal kak off the board. We don't want to know about pappegaai twak smokers life.

Thanks in advance

[OomStruisbaai]

They are not developing it. They are just putting people in a team and letting them play against better teams that are better coached with better admin.

There's a massive difference.

There are always better teams, better coach, admin then Amathole.
They are a poor province.
Havent you watch the Mapimpi story in Chasing the Sun?
You sound like the racist here.

So I am a racist for wanting better administration and a better coaching team at EP? How do you come to that conclusion? If it can be prevented to ship cricket scores every time they play, why don't do it?

If you know anything about Boland provincial sport, you should get it, premier poster.

[handyman]

There are always better teams, better coach, admin then Amathole.
They are a poor province.
Havent you watch the Mapimpi story in Chasing the Sun?
You sound like the racist here.

So I am a racist for wanting better administration and a better coaching team at EP? How do you come to that conclusion? If it can be prevented to ship cricket scores every time they play, why don't do it?

If you know anything about Boland provincial sport, you should get it, premier poster.

What has Boland provincial sport got to do with the situation at EP?

Ag nee man, fokus!

[Blake]

Why do you think our cricket and WP rugby are in the kak. Administrations of colour kak. Qouta administrators. They are like you, quota poster.

Look you won't find argument from me that sport is farked here in Province. Our cricket is a complete joke. Covid has played its part but in general.....sheets.....
The only efficient organization is the KFC mini cricket.

I feel desperately sorry for the kids...end of this year my older son will have to leave his club of 4 years and search for a new club. His club Sunningdale doesn't have enough players to make up an under 14/15 side. The schools in the area are not promoting cricket and the teacher/ coaches at schools have no experience of the game. The most prestigious school for cricket in the area , Milnerton high is looking for kids to make up their sides...in years before there used to be a first all the way to fifth side in each age group. Now Milnerton ( where De Allende and Daniel Vickerman went ), is struggling to field a second team. The clubs are grabbing up whatever players they can get there hands on. Its all falling apart. There is no oversight at the schools and sport is not being encouraged. The private schools are the worst.

You don't think that Clubs are the way forward?
Sport should be a choice and not compulsory at school. If you want to play rugby, go join a club where a trained and qualified coach can coach you. Not just Mr Smith the grade 2 Maths teacher.

It's a tricky one. I really wished we could make this work somehow. Unfortunately baking sport into school culture has been much for effective as a tool for recruiting kids into a game. There is prestige in being in a sport star at school, particularly in rugby and soccer and sometimes cricket.

When you make it an optional extramural activity outside of school, you are reliant on a parent to ignite interest the sport, and then on kids to recruit friends to the club.
I personally prefer this model, but it will take decades to develop it and it will not gain traction while the school model exists.

I remember playing club cricket at school. While we had 2 teams for my age group at my school, we were often playing with only 9 players at club level because we struggled to make up a full team...and there were 3 schools around the club that could have acted as feeders.

There is also a finance issue. School sports are "free" as they are subsidized from the school budget; some might say unfairly so. Sport Clubs have dues, which unless they get sponsors, will exclude a lot of potential talent that can't afford to pay.

[OomStruisbaai]

So I am a racist for wanting better administration and a better coaching team at EP? How do you come to that conclusion? If it can be prevented to ship cricket scores every time they play, why don't do it?

If you know anything about Boland provincial sport, you should get it, premier poster.

What has Boland provincial sport got to do with the situation at EP?

Ag nee man, fokus!

They are even worse then EP. Boland was a proud province.

[OomStruisbaai]

Look you won't find argument from me that sport is farked here in Province. Our cricket is a complete joke. Covid has played its part but in general.....sheets.....
The only efficient organization is the KFC mini cricket.

I feel desperately sorry for the kids...end of this year my older son will have to leave his club of 4 years and search for a new club. His club Sunningdale doesn't have enough players to make up an under 14/15 side. The schools in the area are not promoting cricket and the teacher/ coaches at schools have no experience of the game. The most prestigious school for cricket in the area , Milnerton high is looking for kids to make up their sides...in years before there used to be a first all the way to fifth side in each age group. Now Milnerton ( where De Allende and Daniel Vickerman went ), is struggling to field a second team. The clubs are grabbing up whatever players they can get there hands on. Its all falling apart. There is no oversight at the schools and sport is not being encouraged. The private schools are the worst.

You don't think that Clubs are the way forward?
Sport should be a choice and not compulsory at school. If you want to play rugby, go join a club where a trained and qualified coach can coach you. Not just Mr Smith the grade 2 Maths teacher.

It's a tricky one. I really wished we could make this work somehow. Unfortunately baking sport into school culture has been much for effective as a tool for recruiting kids into a game. There is prestige in being in a sport star at school, particularly in rugby and soccer and sometimes cricket.

When you make it an optional extramural activity outside of school, you are reliant on a parent to ignite interest the sport, and then on kids to recruit friends to the club.
I personally prefer this model, but it will take decades to develop it and it will not gain traction while the school model exists.

I remember playing club cricket at school. While we had 2 teams for my age group at my school, we were often playing with only 9 players at club level because we struggled to make up a full team...and there were 3 schools around the club that could have acted as feeders.

There is also a finance issue. School sports are "free" as they are subsidized from the school budget; some might say unfairly so. Sport Clubs have dues, which unless they get sponsors, will exclude a lot of potential talent that can't afford to pay.

Clubs work everywhere except in SA. Clubs rule WP and Boland rugby. Look what they have done to our provinces.

Our schools have the structures to develope rugby players. Sards kids end up at a school that dont bodder about sport. Our top rugby schools culture, coaching and structure is that same as it was 10 years ago. Only kak parents can vok that up.

[Blake]

Clubs work everywhere except in SA. Clubs rule WP and Boland rugby. Look what they have done to our provinces.

Our schools have the structures to develope rugby players. Sards kids end up at a school that dont bodder about sport. Our top rugby schools culture, coaching and structure is that same as it was 10 years ago. Only kak parents can vok that up.

No doubt that Club structures bring a lot of egos and politics to the table. The bullshit we deal with in the Western Cape is proof of that.
Before we can make the Club structure work we will need to get that sorted. But it's not unique to sport or to the Western Cape.
I've experienced politics and infighting at a number of sport and social clubs I've been a member of.
It's really a leadership and competency issue.

I appreciate that our school structures are strong and are the lifeblood of rugby in SA.

But that is because they were designed that way. They are not the best just because it is the best structure, they work because they were designed with a purpose and received significant investment from Government, the private sector and parents over many decades. Access to those systems and infrastructure are exclusionary by design. The current model of only providing access through scholarships to a handful of elite schools is not a perfect system either. It drastically limits our potential player pool, coaching pool and sport administrator pool at higher levels of the game.

Maybe some hybrid model might a starting point:
- Each school registers as a club and they can continue as-is
- Independent clubs can also register and then play against "School Clubs"

That way, areas that have schools that don't offer a particular sport (like rugby) can start a club, get investment from the private sector or SARU, develop players and play against other top "clubs" if they are in the same tier. No doubt from some time to come, the elite schools will continue to dominate, regardless of the what system is put in place, but with proper investment we might see some wildcard club teams lure talent from unexpected areas and be competitive.

[Sards]

The problem as we see it is that it's not promoted enough. It also doesn't help that our national team is such a mess. Kids are disenchanted. What current hero would you like to see at your kids school.....?
If the National side got its act together more kids would be attracted if could get them to the schools.

Look we have another youngster still to go through the system. I certainly hope it improves for him. But it's not looking very bright currently. My wife has even offered this week to try promote cricket at the surrounding schools to get more kids to the clubs. And no...I am not moving my entire life to the Boland just to get into better sports schools. I would rather try do something around where my kids have grown up.

Then there is the other problem with clubs. If a parent does not have a kid in the club what motivation is there to he actively involved when your kids are ni longer there

[Sandstorm]

Is your trolling real?

Stoner; everything and nothing is real.

So this is the new attack on Sards...to call me a stoner....

Quite pathetic really...

my usage is very little at a time...like I have mentioned on numerous occassions...
I substitute it for pills....as a pain reliever and energy booster....I cant stand putting chemicals in my body.
If I didn't do it the natural way like I am I would permanently be on Myprodol.....My body is old and wearing out more and more each year.

Besides the obvious....I am very innovative and a" go getter " that takes big chances and works hard to make it a success.

My wifes shop which we opened at the peak of Covid when everyone else was shitting their pants and wondering where to next has shown 12 percent growth every month until this month where she has grown by a staggering 25%........that is a phenomenal growth. She has already had 2 offers to buy her out and a new offer which we are still discussing after a meeting yesterday to take on a partner to grow the franchise. That is not the behaviour of a stoner. I have had numerous offers in the last few months to have Steel-line absorbed into bigger companies that ultimately want to shut it down and buy my experience...even if I am known as the " Hippie of the Industry ". Like I said to the bloke we met with yesterday....I don't owe anything on any of our ventures as I have built them with cash so to sell would just be silly......Besides which...Between us my wife and I employ 22 staff which is a big responsibility because the majority of those staff members are the sole bread winners in the family and have been with us from the beginning .How many of you are responsible for 22 families substinance.

so rather look at my achievements than at my open usage of Cannabis for its medicinal properties.
There is a stereotype of Stoners who get so zonked that they are non productive members of the community.
There are also those that care about their bodies and prefer not to put man made chemicals into their systems , and are intelligent enough to manage it.

So A BIG FU CK YOU to you and all the others that prefer to paint me as a stoner to make yourself feel better about yourselves.

tl/dr

[Blake]

Then there is the other problem with clubs. If a parent does not have a kid in the club what motivation is there to he actively involved when your kids are ni longer there

The same counter argument can be made for schools. Without a kid in the school, what affinity does any member of the community have toward the teams and sports in the area?

You’d more likely be accused of being a pedo than a sports fan. With (most) schools you are only involved as as long as your kids are there...and then if you attended the same school there are reunions and old boys maybe. But it’s limiting. Club structures are (theoretically) more inviting.

When you move to a neighborhood, you find the club and join it.

[Sandstorm]

Then there is the other problem with clubs. If a parent does not have a kid in the club what motivation is there to he actively involved when your kids are ni longer there

The same counter argument can be made for schools. Without a kid in the school, what affinity does any member of the community have toward the teams and sports in the area?

You’d more likely be accused of being a pedo than a sports fan. With (most) schools you are only involved as as long as your kids are there...and then if you attended the same school there are reunions and old boys maybe. But it’s limiting. Club structures are (theoretically) more inviting.

When you move to a neighborhood, you find the club and join it.

Clubs sell booze. Schools can’t compete with that.

[OomStruisbaai]

And no...I am not moving my entire life to the Boland just to get into better sports schools. I would rather try do something around where my kids have grown up.

Put your kid in the boarding school like thousand others from all over South Africa.

Provincial coaches are in charge of SA top rugby schools. The u14F or 1st team get the same coaching. Each team have a coach and a team captain. Coaches at Paul Roos usually is Matie players (earning money) and the team captain is a teacher, organizing the players.

You ll never gonna get this at any club where they knives opponents and supporters or kick them to death.

Some clubs its dangerous just to drive to the rugby fields in Boland and Western Cape.

[Sards]

And no...I am not moving my entire life to the Boland just to get into better sports schools. I would rather try do something around where my kids have grown up.

Put your kid in the boarding school like thousand others from all over South Africa.

Provincial coaches are in charge of SA top rugby schools. The u14F or 1st team get the same coaching. Each team have a coach and a team captain. Coaches at Paul Roos usually is Matie players (earning money) and the team captain is a teacher, organizing the players.

You ll never gonna get this at any club where they knives opponents and supporters or kick them to death.

Some clubs its dangerous just to drive to the rugby fields in Boland and Western Cape.

Give up spending time with them...no chance

[average joe]

You build a house from the foundations up, you don't start with the roof.

EP use to get thrashed by the likes of the Pumas,Valke, Leopards,Griffons and even the fokon SWD Eagles FFS. What makes anyone think putting them up against the top tier teams is a good idea is beyond me. They're being set up for failure, being thrashed week in and week out does not build a team it breaks them, it makes them believe they're not good enough and never will be.

It's like putting 14 year olds up against 18 year olds and telling them they will learn from the experience. The only thing they learn is there's worse things than just loosing. There's loosing and then there's being bum foked into oblivion. Let them play teams that they at least stand a chance of winning a few games against.

And why should the Pumas, Valke, Leopards, Griffons, Eagles and Border be left behind for EP rugby's sake, when they all beat them on a regular basis?

[Sards]

You build a house from the foundations up, you don't start with the roof.

EP use to get thrashed by the likes of the Pumas,Valke, Leopards,Griffons and even the fokon SWD Eagles FFS. What makes anyone think putting them up against the top tier teams is a good idea is beyond me. They're being set up for failure, being thrashed week in and week out does not build a team it breaks them, it makes them believe they're not good enough and never will be.

Remember how the Lions used to be everyone's rubber doll to bumvok at leisure

[OomStruisbaai]

EP use to get thrashed by the likes of the Pumas,Valke, Leopards,Griffons and even the fokon SWD Eagles FFS.

Pumas don't play 1st division.
Falcons 14-22
Leopards 12-15
Griffons 19-23
SWD 27-21

Oordryf so n bietjie

[average joe]

EP use to get thrashed by the likes of the Pumas,Valke, Leopards,Griffons and even the fokon SWD Eagles FFS.

Pumas don't play 1st division.
Falcons 14-22
Leopards 12-15
Griffons 19-23
SWD 27-21

Oordryf so n bietjie

Nee oom onderdryf so bietjie. In plaas van om na een jaar te kyk gaan kyk na die laaste 35 en dan praat ons weer. Die OP is n politiese speelding wat orals in gedruk word bo meer waardige spane.

[Sards]

How strong are the Bulls going to be. With Marcel, Duane and Carr back 3.....OMW

[sorCrer]

How strong are the Bulls going to be. With Marcel, Duane and Carr back 3.....OMW

WTF!

Van Staden

[Chilli]

How strong are the Bulls going to be. With Marcel, Duane and Carr back 3.....OMW

WTF!

Van Staden

Marcel is already injured.

[sorCrer]

How strong are the Bulls going to be. With Marcel, Duane and Carr back 3.....OMW

WTF!

Van Staden

Marcel is already injured.

Carries more sicknotes than Lambulance.