So, coronavirus...

[BnM]

The arrivals of large Pfizer deliveries have raised concerns that it will be harder to use up stocks of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. The Anglo-Swedish product suffers not only from an image problem in France but is also banned for those under the age of 55 because of concerns about rare incidents of dangerous blood clotting.

Currently, a quarter of AstraZeneca stocks remain unused in France, a figure that could increase as more Pfizer jabs become available.

On Friday, Health Minister Olivier Véran said he had asked the French health watchdog to examine whether it would be possible to offer the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine to those under 55. Volunteers for the vaccine would be required to sign a release form.

Patrick Vogt, a general practitioner in the city of Mulhouse, said he is desperate for the government to change its recommendations after he was forced to throw away doses of AstraZeneca last week.

“I managed to vaccinate 6 patients in 3 days. The others said they didn’t want to, or wanted to wait for another vaccine,” said Dr. Vogt. “So my vials were going out of date, I had to throw them away.”

After posting a video of himself throwing doses in the bin, Dr. Vogt received dozens of calls from volunteers in their forties who wanted to get a jab — people he is not allowed to vaccinate.

“I’m angry and disheartened,” said Dr. Vogt. “We need to accelerate the pace of the vaccinations as it’s the one thing that protects us from new variants developing.”

About 22 percent of the French population has received at least one vaccine dose, a figure which still lags the likes of Germany, the U.K. and Belgium, according to the POLITICO vaccination tracker.

[Saint]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

[laurent]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

Denmark is not using AZ at all ... in a lot of country the crazy norwegian/danish reaction has fucked it up.

at any rate even with AZ not delivering/being shunned the vacc numbers are on the expected paths. 2 weeks before I get it. (no english muck for me )

PS don't look at the stats to closely (Germany has more 1st shot 26/22 and less 5/9 2nd than France)

[BnM]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

There's low up take but some younger people clearly will take it to be vaccinated earlier, it seems such a shame to waste it. Hopefully this Dr's video will push for change. I wonder if other countries are having the same issue and are wasting doses.

[GogLais]

Had second AZ yesterday. Felt a bit flakey for a couple of days after the first one but OK this time.

[BnM]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

Denmark is not using AZ at all ... in a lot of country the crazy norwegian/danish reaction has fucked it up.

at any rate even with AZ not delivering/being shunned the vacc numbers are on the expected paths. 2 weeks before I get it. (no english muck for me )

PS don't look at the stats to closely (Germany has more 1st shot 26/22 and less 5/9 2nd than France)

Are you doing 3 weeks between jabs?

[Fangle]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

[laurent]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

Denmark is not using AZ at all ... in a lot of country the crazy norwegian/danish reaction has fucked it up.

at any rate even with AZ not delivering/being shunned the vacc numbers are on the expected paths. 2 weeks before I get it. (no english muck for me )

PS don't look at the stats to closely (Germany has more 1st shot 26/22 and less 5/9 2nd than France)

Are you doing 3 weeks between jabs?

Up to now yes they have lengthened it i think.

The French vaccination rate is above the EU average at this stage

[Saint]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

As a % of population vaccinated the USA has moved ahead of the UK

[Stranger]

Had my first dose of AZ in France on Thursday - I am 56 .

[Openside]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

[Sandstorm]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

[Openside]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

[Sandstorm]

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

[Openside]

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

I know twitter is a cess pool but there are plenty of UK nut jobs on that too. I read a thread about this person refusing to take their child in to Hospital for an operation because they wanted to take a swab first, and they would not consent to that... Fucking Hatstand.

[Fangle]

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

All over there is no need for appointments trying to get people in.

Trump must stand up and push for it, but his feet were cut out from under him because Kamala said, before Christmas, that she wouldn’t trust what he says about the safety of the vaccines. But he should still make a public safety announcement and hopefully get more in.

[Biffer]

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

All over there is no need for appointments trying to get people in.

Trump must stand up and push for it, but his feet were cut out from under him because Kamala said, before Christmas, that she wouldn’t trust what he says about the safety of the vaccines. But he should still make a public safety announcement and hopefully get more in.

Yeah, but the people who trust Trump wouldn’t trust Harris.

[SaintK]

Second dose of AZ done this morning
Even quicker and more efficient than the first

[Saint]

Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

[BnM]

Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

Funny enough I'm not even getting 4g at the mo, paying £27 a month to vodafone for now over a month of this shit. Coincidence.....

[dkm57]

Just back fro 2nd stab. in and out before my appointment time. Now counting down until I suddenly feel cr@p. Just glad to have it done and counting down until the immunity fully develops.

[laurent]

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

All over there is no need for appointments trying to get people in.

Trump must stand up and push for it, but his feet were cut out from under him because Kamala said, before Christmas, that she wouldn’t trust what he says about the safety of the vaccines. But he should still make a public safety announcement and hopefully get more in.

Yeah, but the people who trust Trump wouldn’t trust Harris.

These are mugs though...

on a plus note total vaccine in France were over 500 000 yesterday

I had a look a hospital number an the elderlies are looking to disappear from hospital (covid related) so our horrid death numbers are likely to finaly fall off

deconfinment likely too soon (confinment was too late) 2 weeks until they lift a lot of restrictions..

[Glaston]

Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

The Bill Gates dreams come first

[Saint]

Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Woke up about 4 times last night when I rolled over onto the side that had the jab. Very tender muscle there at the moment.

[Ovals]

Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Woke up about 4 times last night when I rolled over onto the side that had the jab. Very tender muscle there at the moment.

I never had any arm aches, or soreness, after my jabs - maybe my lack of muscle is proving to be of benefit

[Glaston]

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Woke up about 4 times last night when I rolled over onto the side that had the jab. Very tender muscle there at the moment.

I never had any arm aches, or soreness, after my jabs - maybe my lack of muscle is proving to be of benefit

I have an impinged right shoulder, its almost impossible for me to sleep on that side anyway.
I wont notice any difference in the pains I will likely get .

My sis in France has just had her 2nd AZ, no arm pain just tired for a couple of days.

[BnM]

Browsing the govt website. This is covid cases for Harrogate. Unfortunately they don't have one for deaths. It's very striking, first wave mainly the old, second explains why we're getting so many cases of long covid.

It's been over a month now since a covid death in Harrogate




https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... mographics

[laurent]

To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

[Fangle]

Over here they will be setting up in the mega black churches to make it easier for those congregations. I hope that they will be able to do the same with the Evangelical ones as well. Some folks are difficult.

[Saint]

To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Starting to get there then

[laurent]

To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Starting to get there then

Well yesterday's number are small (being may first has made it too much)

but the vaccination umbers are within expectation. (and deliveries)

[Ovals]

To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Starting to get there then

Well yesterday's number are small (being may first has made it too much)

but the vaccination umbers are within expectation. (and deliveries)

Good to hear that France is buidling momentum with it's vaccine programme - be nice when all of europe gets well down the vaccination path - sooner the better for all of us.

[Slick]

What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

[robmatic]

What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

[Biffer]

What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

[Slick]

What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Well that's positive. What kind of restrictions do you think might be reintroduced in the winter?

The permanent changes in behaviour is an interesting one. I agree that masks will be come a lot more visable now that we are used to them and see the benefits of them in keeping away colds etc, not just covid - I think I'll be wearing them on the underground etc.

[Margin__Walker]

The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

[Biffer]

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Well that's positive. What kind of restrictions do you think might be reintroduced in the winter?

The permanent changes in behaviour is an interesting one. I agree that masks will be come a lot more visable now that we are used to them and see the benefits of them in keeping away colds etc, not just covid - I think I'll be wearing them on the underground etc.

I’m not thinking huge restrictions but possibly masks compulsory in indoor public space and public transport, maybe some household mixing restrictions (but again, not down to zero), maybe some restrictions on hospital visits. So less than we have now, maybe more like where we’ll be in a month or so. Also maybe encouragement to get staff to work from home, but not compulsory, that kind of thing.

[Biffer]

The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

[Biffer]

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Well that's positive. What kind of restrictions do you think might be reintroduced in the winter?

The permanent changes in behaviour is an interesting one. I agree that masks will be come a lot more visable now that we are used to them and see the benefits of them in keeping away colds etc, not just covid - I think I'll be wearing them on the underground etc.

I’m not thinking huge restrictions but possibly masks compulsory in indoor public space and public transport, maybe some household mixing restrictions (but again, not down to zero), maybe some restrictions on hospital visits. So less than we have now, maybe more like where we’ll be in a month or so. Also maybe encouragement to get staff to work from home, but not compulsory, that kind of thing.

Also, the Times today is reporting that large events will still be restricted numbers in the summer, European Championship final at Wembley will be 50% capacity for example. More to do with choke points around bars and public transport than the event itself. That might continue through to next year.