The best new and returning TV series thread

[Blackmac]

Paddy Mayne, who was a genuine psychopath. Amongst a group of men not shy about killing, Mayne was known to enjoy it rather too much. He was a dangerous man to be anywhere near as he had no regard for his own or any one else's safety and would pick a fight with a lamp post.

Has this not been debunked somewhat? I've read/heard in different places that he was actually quite a soft, gentle guy when sober much loved by his troops. Its when he got drunk and the black dog took over he became the psychopath.

That's pretty much my understanding and there aren't many books on the subject I haven't read.
I was prepared to hate the series but thought it was very good and I thought the action scenes matched well with the the impressions I had from my research.
Other than being about 8 inches too small for the role I thought the lad playing Mayne was superb.

[Bullet]

Gave up on 1899 after 20 minutes before but wife wanted to watch so started again and really enjoying it now.
Still 2 episodes to go, don't know if trying too hard but it's starting to loose a bit.

[Uncle fester]

Gave up on 1899 after 20 minutes before but wife wanted to watch so started again and really enjoying it now.
Still 2 episodes to go, don't know if trying too hard but it's starting to loose a bit.

Was good up to about episode 6. Once they moved off the ship, it flags. Shame because I loved Dark but the creators need to move on a bit.

Emily Beecham is a total fox.

[Biffer]

Mortimer and Whitehouse Gone Fishing Christmas Special. Best thing on tv the last few years.

[Grandpa]

Mortimer and Whitehouse Gone Fishing Christmas Special. Best thing on tv the last few years.

Reminded me of the west coast of Scotland. Bob kept on falling down bless him. Just love the banter though.

[sockwithaticket]

Been on a bit of spy kick. Along with Slow Horses I've just watched Treason on Netflix which was pretty decent and belatedly catching up with Jack Ryan. Just started S2 of the latter and delighted to see Noomi Rapace involved.

[sockwithaticket]

Gave up on 1899 after 20 minutes before but wife wanted to watch so started again and really enjoying it now.
Still 2 episodes to go, don't know if trying too hard but it's starting to loose a bit.

Was good up to about episode 6. Once they moved off the ship, it flags. Shame because I loved Dark but the creators need to move on a bit.

Emily Beecham is a total fox.

Agreed on both counts.

[BnM]

Watching Masterchef professionals, don't like the challenge where Marcus or Anna challenge them to some random dish in 20mins. Looked to see if recipe was of interest and if not have skipped through those bits.

[sefton]

Slow Horses is brilliant, on the back of it got the missus to watch the film version of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. TV version next. You

[Ymx]

Quite enjoying Tulsa King atm (paramount+)

Not quite as cheesy as I first thought (after ep1), worth persevering with.

[Ymx]

The American saying if I knew the risks, and what I know now there would be zero percent chance I’d have gone. There is quite a bit of stupid there to unpack.

The hindsight component aside, as a tourist it’s indeed a tiny risk, and that’s part of the thing. To say you had no idea there was a risk is utterly ridiculous.

However, surely as a tour guide it’s not a job you’d want to do for long. Especially over 3 years or 1,111 trips. Given it blows every 3 years. Those odds start to become pretty high.

The emergency services bit was shameful. It reminded me of the cave explosion where potential survivors were just left. And which happened around the time of another cave collapse and successful rescue, in another part of the world. Although, I’ve read that it being allowed to get to the point of explode and the governance was the more shocking aspect.

Having said that, I’d like an expert take on the cave thing. Guy Smiley I think used to do mining.

[Guy Smiley]

Are you talking about the Pike River Mine disaster?

The one where the initial blast lasted over 20 seconds at the portal?

link

No-one was going to survive that. The fact that the govt of the day gave hope to families is disgusting.

[Ymx]

Are you talking about the Pike River Mine disaster?

The one where the initial blast lasted over 20 seconds at the portal?

link

No-one was going to survive that. The fact that the govt of the day gave hope to families is disgusting.

Yep, that was it. Was it pretty much over immediately then?

2 did manage to escape from it though right?

It was a pretty awful hope to be given then.

[Guy Smiley]

Are you talking about the Pike River Mine disaster?

The one where the initial blast lasted over 20 seconds at the portal?

link

No-one was going to survive that. The fact that the govt of the day gave hope to families is disgusting.

Yep, that was it. Was it pretty much over immediately then?

2 did manage to escape from it though right?

It was a pretty awful hope to be given then.

2 were entering the mine, able to survive the shockwave and scramble out... if I'm remembering it correctly.

It would have been over very quickly. Coal mines are notorious for methane build ups... there had been talk prior to the incident of a need for better ventilation in the workings. You can see in the clip I linked that the initial explosion maintained blast expulsion through the portal for at least 20 seconds... it's hard to imagine anyone within the workings of the mine surviving a blast of that magnitude. TV helicopter footage soon after showed fires raging in the vent rises... it was a hell hole.

[GogLais]

Not a series per se but watched the Netflix Volcano Kiwi thing. Hear its huge and everyone is watching it but to be honest I thought it was just OK. I've read articles on it that have been extraordinarily exciting and stark and this didn't manage to get that on celluloid. I think it had a few problems.
The Anericans are sort of dicks and they want someone to be to blame for it all. I don't know about you lot but I've been to volcanic places in NZ and climbed up a glacier volcano in Chile, stared into the sulphuric cone and then skied back down. At no point did I think someone else is to blame for this risk.

Trivial in comparison but I’ve walked on tourist paths in volcanic areas of Iceland and the Azores. Mud bubbling away a few feet away and we’re told it’s ok. Might have been so yesterday but is it today?

[Blackmac]

The American saying if I knew the risks, and what I know now there would be zero percent chance I’d have gone. There is quite a bit of stupid there to unpack.

The hindsight component aside, as a tourist it’s indeed a tiny risk, and that’s part of the thing. To say you had no idea there was a risk is utterly ridiculous.

However, surely as a tour guide it’s not a job you’d want to do for long. Especially over 3 years or 1,111 trips. Given it blows every 3 years. Those odds start to become pretty high.

The emergency services bit was shameful. It reminded me of the cave explosion where potential survivors were just left. And which happened around the time of another cave collapse and successful rescue, in another part of the world. Although, I’ve read that it being allowed to get to the point of explode and the governance was the more shocking aspect.

Having said that, I’d like an expert take on the cave thing. Guy Smiley I think used to do mining.

Emergency services everywhere have been paralysed by the rule of not adding any more casualties to the situation. I doubt there would have been much of a different response anywhere.

I did laugh at some of the talk about not been aware of the risk. All well scripted by the lawyers.

[Guy Smiley]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

[Sandstorm]

Three Pines on a Prime. Canadian cop show with Alfred Molina (Doc Oc) in lead. Slower burner, but really good.

[Blackmac]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

They are not, and generally emergency personnel on the ground are willing to risk everything, but the Manchester Arena bombing is a prime example of how it has taken a grip on senior ranks. As Guy pointed out, it's not a case of fear or a culture of something to hide behind but a fairly sensible philosophy that can have dire consequences if they fail to adhere to it and there is a negative outcome.

[Blackmac]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

It's an extremely sensible philosophy but I think the recriminating nature of society has pushed the scale too far and led to over cautiousness. I've been involved in many situations where the level of response has been ridiculously careful and it is extremely difficult for Paddy Knowitall to comprehend. It is undoubtedly a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, especially with the emergency services.

[Tichtheid]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

It's an extremely sensible philosophy but I think the recriminating nature of society has pushed the scale too far and led to over cautiousness. I've been involved in many situations where the level of response has been ridiculously careful and it is extremely difficult for Paddy Knowitall to comprehend. It is undoubtedly a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, especially with the emergency services.

People take the piss out of Health and Safety, but the fact is that I worked on a very large building site where there was a poster at the front gate detailing the number of days since the last accident on site, including fatalities.
The H&S at work Act has saved many lives, when I did my City & Guilds Sparks course it was all about safety, and the first rule was pretty much "don't create two casualties and put someone else in danger"

I have mates who work in dangerous industries, from offshore rope access to BMC Guides, including guiding on the British Antarctic Survey. I also know RNLI volunteers on the boats. Things have changed over the years, overall it's for the better.


BTW, on films rather than TV, the new Batman is okay. The Dumbledore thing lasted ten minutes, it's for the Ceebeebies audience, I think.

[weegie01]

Three Pines on a Prime. Canadian cop show with Alfred Molina (Doc Oc) in lead. Slower burner, but really good.

I have watched them all and was disappointed there were so few episodes at the end.

[GogLais]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.

[Uncle fester]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.

The Spence family tragedy in Ulster is a case in point on that.

[yermum]

I have had a spy drama holiday break.

Slow horses, Litvenenko, Etc

Got me thinking that Putin fella might be a bad egg.

Thanks for the slow horses recommendation this place though slow does come up with the goods

[fishfoodie]

So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.

Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.

In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.

[weegie01]

Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.

In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.

Remember the Nevin Spence incident?

His brother went into a slurry pit after a dog, he was overcome. Nevin went in after his brother and he was overcome. Then the father went in after his sons and he died as well. I am pretty sure the sister nearly died as well.

Edit
I have just Googled it to jog my memory. The sister got one out, and was overcome rescuing a second, but pulled out. Afterwards the sister was asked if she understood the risks, to which she replied "Yes, but when it comes to the love of your family..."

[Uncle fester]

I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.

A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.

The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.

Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.

I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.

Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.

In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.

Leixlip?
Thing with nitrogen is that you're gone before you know there's a problem.

CO2 in breweries is another big hazard. Guinness regularly close the tunnels under James Street because of CO2.
CO2 is a horrible way to go. You know you're being suffocated.

[fishfoodie]

I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.

Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.

In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.

Leixlip?
Thing with nitrogen is that you're gone before you know there's a problem.

CO2 in breweries is another big hazard. Guinness regularly close the tunnels under James Street because of CO2.
CO2 is a horrible way to go. You know you're being suffocated.

Yep

[Uncle fester]

You're a bit older than I thought you were. I look after a good chunk of the nitrogen at the site these days.

[fishfoodie]

You're a bit older than I thought you were. I look after a good chunk of the nitrogen at the site these days.

You work for *** ?

When I started there Air Products were running the Air plant, & Gas pad, & they used to send tankers of excess Nitrogen, & sell it to Guinness.

I used to chat a good bit with them, because I was in the ERT when I worked in Manufacturing, & we'd drill together, & they'd give us tours of the parts of the plant they ran, so we'd know our way around if things went pear shaped. I was there for Fab 10 startup, straight out of DIT

[Grandpa]

I have had a spy drama holiday break.

Slow horses, Litvenenko, Etc

Got me thinking that Putin fella might be a bad egg.

Thanks for the slow horses recommendation this place though slow does come up with the goods

I loved Slow Horses as well. Gary Oldman at his farting, darting best!

Apparently... Under the Banner of Heaven is worth a watch too. So that's on my to do list.

[BnM]

Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.

Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.

[Uncle fester]

Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.

Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.

The fanboi cribbing about anything to do with the series is something to behold. Suppose it's quite coincidental that the series creator is female.

[Guy Smiley]

Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.

Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.

I'm not a die hard fan of it all but I did watch the first... I thought it was awful. Poor acting, clumsy and wooden while the story didn't quite hold itself up. Hardly the end of the world, though. Some of the settings were stunning, I'm guessing some of it was shot in Iceland?

[BnM]

I thought he was good in Amazon's rings of power but as chip on shoulder scheming mage he was very poor, depth of a puddle. Be interesting to see next season of Witcher, they must have chosen Hemsworth for a reason.

[BnM]

Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.

Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.

I'm not a die hard fan of it all but I did watch the first... I thought it was awful. Poor acting, clumsy and wooden while the story didn't quite hold itself up. Hardly the end of the world, though. Some of the settings were stunning, I'm guessing some of it was shot in Iceland?

I'd give it a 5.5/10.

[Uncle fester]

Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.

Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.

I'm not a die hard fan of it all but I did watch the first... I thought it was awful. Poor acting, clumsy and wooden while the story didn't quite hold itself up. Hardly the end of the world, though. Some of the settings were stunning, I'm guessing some of it was shot in Iceland?

The time jumping in the first series didn't really work but it was promising enough to merit watching second season which was a good bit better.

If you go in expecting GOT or a recreation of the books, you're going to be disappointed but its an okay show in it's own right.

[Uncle fester]

Staying on fantasy series, watched House Of The Dragon over Xmas. It's not bad but the set piece to finish episode 9 is GOT season 8 level "shit plot but look at the action" crap.

[BnM]

I liked the Witcher.

Only watched the first few episodes of HOD. Will watch the rest but tbh Season 8 killed it all for me. Sounds a bit dramatic but...don't care enough now to bother much.