NPR

GogLais wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:55 am

Saint wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 am Interesting..... the Zoe Covid symptom tracker looks like South Oxfordshire has hit the peak of this new wave. Active cases have pretty much plateaued for the last 5 days

Same here on the Wirral. Boris might be saying "I told you so".

Australia and New Zealand have pulled out of the Rugby League World Cup because of "player welfare and safety concerns" related to Covid-19.

NZRL chief Peters said the decision to withdraw was made because the safety and wellbeing of the players and staff "cannot be guaranteed to our satisfaction".

"There are stark differences between how the pandemic is being managed in the UK compared to Australasia, and recent developments have highlighted how quickly things can change.

"The tournament organisers have moved heaven and earth to make this work, so it is not an easy decision, but the Covid-19 situation in the UK shows no sign of improving, and it's simply too unsafe to send teams and staff over."

GogLais wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:55 am

Saint wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 am Interesting..... the Zoe Covid symptom tracker looks like South Oxfordshire has hit the peak of this new wave. Active cases have pretty much plateaued for the last 5 days

Same here on the Wirral. Boris might be saying "I told you so".

Saint wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 am Interesting..... the Zoe Covid symptom tracker looks like South Oxfordshire has hit the peak of this new wave. Active cases have pretty much plateaued for the last 5 days

Saint wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:16 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:53 pm

Saint wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:38 pm Talking of vaccine supplies does anyone know where UK manufactured vaccine is going now that the UK has completed it's use? Are we allowing AZ to fulfill their EU contract, or are we requiring our contract be completed with supplies going to Covax?

Well Ireland is still waiting for the ones your scumbag politicians dangled as leverage, to use against the NI Protocol.

Imagine our surprise that they never arrived .....

So I assume we're donating directly to Covax. Would be nice to see what's happening

BnM wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 am Has AZ met their contract with us yet? Doses made here might not be ours at the moment. It's all gone very quiet after Belgian court judgement. Our vac rates have plummeted I know some are wary but we could easily reduce it from 8 weeks between doses if we had more stock, so I don't think we have the stock to do more at the moment. There's still plenty of older people unvaccinated who could use AZ. Looking at my old area in Pimlico the Vac rates are shocking, 60& and 40% ish. In Harrogate it's 85%+ and 65%+.

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:48 am

Saint wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 am Interesting..... the Zoe Covid symptom tracker looks like South Oxfordshire has hit the peak of this new wave. Active cases have pretty much plateaued for the last 5 days

Limits of number of tests rather than limit of cases? How's the positivity %ages if you can see that?

TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:49 pm

BnM wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 am Has AZ met their contract with us yet? Doses made here might not be ours at the moment. It's all gone very quiet after Belgian court judgement. Our vac rates have plummeted I know some are wary but we could easily reduce it from 8 weeks between doses if we had more stock, so I don't think we have the stock to do more at the moment. There's still plenty of older people unvaccinated who could use AZ. Looking at my old area in Pimlico the Vac rates are shocking, 60& and 40% ish. In Harrogate it's 85%+ and 65%+.

Gov ordered 100mm doses, so unlikely to be fully met yet. Shouldn't be a million miles away though if they are making the original commitment of 2mm a week. The EU would have released a statement to the effect of "legal judgement forced AZ to supply from UK = EU win" if AZ were supplying them from UK sites.

Below is quick summary of where we are at/will end up being shortly. I assume UK gov is negotiating with Pfizer to accelerate a few deliveries before Sep to ensure sufficient supply in case sudden uptake.

TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 am

Saint wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:16 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:53 pm

Well Ireland is still waiting for the ones your scumbag politicians dangled as leverage, to use against the NI Protocol.

Imagine our surprise that they never arrived .....

So I assume we're donating directly to Covax. Would be nice to see what's happening

Given everything else I imagine UK gov is focused on building up supplies in case boosters are formally recommended?

Anything donated would likely have been loudly trumpeted as world leading by now. I would assume UK will follow others and ship on diplomatic outcomes, providing to India or other prospective international partners to be wooed.

Saint wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:09 pm There's a shelf life to these things, so even if we were building up stocks there would be a point coming at some point where we would need to start shipping it out or binning it. And if we were shipping to any country, I would have thought it would be shouted from the rooftops regardless

TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:42 pm

Saint wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:09 pm There's a shelf life to these things, so even if we were building up stocks there would be a point coming at some point where we would need to start shipping it out or binning it. And if we were shipping to any country, I would have thought it would be shouted from the rooftops regardless

Yes, but the initial shelf life submitted in Jan was 6 months (and likely longer), no? Given the informally proposed boosters would start being given from September, we could take an extremely optimistic production scenario that UK AZ produced the balance of circa 84/89mm doses by the end of May, meaning still a 2 month window to administer. Even if administration programme was scaled back that could still be achieved. Obviously those production levels didn't happen, so they can adjust back any delay to programme to match as advised. I would also assume they would attempt to keep large reserves for the mRNA people in case a variant arises that only AZ can tackle proficiently. If they approached end of shelf life with no foreseeable UK use that is when I would imagine permission to engage in exports, given history.

If your assumption is that they are being donated to Covax, but you also think that any shipments out would be announced, surely the latter thought now challenges the assumption given no announcements?

There is of course the remote possibility things are being done by the sly... I personally think that is very remote.

Edit: Struggling to find now but I believe the ad-hoc released EU export control mechanism hasn't shown movement for UK in between June and July, suggesting we've got our deliveries/they've been approved for first tranche of 40mm and the 2nd tranche is still pushed out to September atm.

Effectiveness after one dose of vaccine (BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) was notably lower among persons with the delta variant (30.7%; 95% confidence interval [CI], 25.2 to 35.7) than among those with the alpha variant (48.7%; 95% CI, 45.5 to 51.7); the results were similar for both vaccines. With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant.

There may also be differences among the populations that received each vaccine — for example, in younger age groups, health care workers are more likely to have received the BNT162b2 vaccine, whereas persons in clinical risk groups are more likely to have received the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine

Calculon wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:54 am This isn't good. Women being sexually haresssed by quarantine hotel guards. 16 women complained to the BBC with the hotels saying it's the DHSC's responsibility not theirs. One of the solutions now is for two male guards to escorts female guests instead of one.


https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-57901154

Calculon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:24 pm I've not read the actual study but there is a bigger difference between the vaccines than I expected. Happy I got the biontech now

Effectiveness after one dose of vaccine (BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) was notably lower among persons with the delta variant (30.7%; 95% confidence interval [CI], 25.2 to 35.7) than among those with the alpha variant (48.7%; 95% CI, 45.5 to 51.7); the results were similar for both vaccines. With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant.

Although I did think something like this might be a factor

There may also be differences among the populations that received each vaccine — for example, in younger age groups, health care workers are more likely to have received the BNT162b2 vaccine, whereas persons in clinical risk groups are more likely to have received the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine

Calculon wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:15 am With this type of study I'm not sure they have the data to effectively do that, however it's clear that both vaccines are highly effective against the delta variant

Calculon wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:15 am With this type of study I'm not sure they have the data to effectively do that, however it's clear that both vaccines are highly effective against the delta variant

Calculon wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:54 am This isn't good. Women being sexually haresssed by quarantine hotel guards. 16 women complained to the BBC with the hotels saying it's the DHSC's responsibility not theirs. One of the solutions now is for two male guards to escorts female guests instead of one.


https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-57901154

Saint wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:52 am

Calculon wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:54 am This isn't good. Women being sexually haresssed by quarantine hotel guards. 16 women complained to the BBC with the hotels saying it's the DHSC's responsibility not theirs. One of the solutions now is for two male guards to escorts female guests instead of one.


https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-57901154

Or maybe we should stop hiring creeps to be security guards

tc27 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:07 pm Last few days it feels like case numbers are turning the corner:



Expect deaths to go up for a while yet due to the lag but reasonable grounds for optimism??

BnM wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:58 pm Does anyone know how to spot a creep before they out themselves, because women for thousands of years have wanted this info

BnM wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:58 pm Does anyone know how to spot a creep before they out themselves, because women for thousands of years have wanted this info