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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:39 pm Look lads, stop griping - just need to get out and grow the pie.

UK pork-pie firm Vale of Mowbray collapses under market challenges

As part of the administration process, FRP partner Martyn Pullin said Vale of Mowbray’s two freehold factories in Leeming Bar will be sold, along with machinery and intellectual property rights.

“The Vale of Mowbray was a proud family business with a loved brand that has been synonymous with pork pies for generations. But the increasingly difficult trading conditions being experienced by many energy and labour-intensive manufacturing businesses have ultimately led to the business’ closure,” Pullin added.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:47 pm LMAO

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/liz-t ... 36479.html

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:51 pm Who are the new breed of Tories going to fight against in this "Anti-Growth Coalition"?

Biffer wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:17 pm To over extend her metaphor, pies don't grow, they have to be made. You can't just stand in the kitchen, turn the oven on, stand back and shout that you've put the conditions in place for the pie to be made. You have to put the effort into making it.

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:59 am

I like neeps wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:23 am

Not sure why Labour are playing the we'll be tougher on illegal immigration than Tories line. They'll never be more hateful (although they might try). And what do they think will happen? Illegal immigration to the UK is small part of people escaping conflict and climate breakdown across ME and Africa coming into Europe. Neither of the parties will "fix it". The press who have turned up Patel, will turn on Braverman will absolutely savage whoever Labour's Home Sec is too.

I don't think pointing out Tory failure by their own criteria and 'process claims quicker and send back people who don't have a genuine claim to be here' = an avowed intent to be tougher on illegal migrants than the Tories.

As attack lines that don't actually propose your own policy go, it wasn't a bad one.

On another tack, a non-insignificant portion of Labour's traditional support base do have what could generously be termed as concerns about immigration. That can't be ignored if power is sought, it's the sort of emotive issue which has turned votes.

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:59 am

I like neeps wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:23 am

Not sure why Labour are playing the we'll be tougher on illegal immigration than Tories line. They'll never be more hateful (although they might try). And what do they think will happen? Illegal immigration to the UK is small part of people escaping conflict and climate breakdown across ME and Africa coming into Europe. Neither of the parties will "fix it". The press who have turned up Patel, will turn on Braverman will absolutely savage whoever Labour's Home Sec is too.

I don't think pointing out Tory failure by their own criteria and 'process claims quicker and send back people who don't have a genuine claim to be here' = an avowed intent to be tougher on illegal migrants than the Tories.

As attack lines that don't actually propose your own policy go, it wasn't a bad one.

On another tack, a non-insignificant portion of Labour's traditional support base do have what could generously be termed as concerns about immigration. That can't be ignored if power is sought, it's the sort of emotive issue which has turned votes.

Tichtheid wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:36 am Monbiot, the short version is that Labour have to be Labour, if they don't we are truly fucked

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:01 pm Looks like the Markets have had enough.

Sterling is going down.
Interest rates going up.
Debt rating downgraded.
BoE making it clear that if they hadn't intervened Pension Funds would have been kapput.

Dizzy's backbenchers are only a few steps away from full revolt over the catastrophically bad way she's handled her first few weeks in office, & she can't even control her Cabinet.

The only question is when the collapse will happen, because Brady's letterbox must be nearly full; & even if they don't want to/can have another Leadership contest, they can't continue as Government, if they can't guarantee they'll pass their own Bills ?

I like neeps wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:04 am

It's hard to believe that Truss is more ideologically libertarianism than Rees-Mogg. Libertarian beliefs are a total nonsense to me but it's better to risk power blackouts then ask people to use less power is maybe the strangest. There's really no benefit. Tory voters aren't going to be annoyed! People went OTT for lockdown if anything.

Letter: Truss has little grasp of UK’s structural problems
From Phillip Oppenheim, Conservative Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (1996-97), Todenham, Gloucestershire, UK

If financial services produced wealth for the whole economy, the UK would be a stunning success, not a country which has sunk from sixth in per capita gross domestic product in 1960 to just 20th now (excluding tax havens and oil rich nations, but including Norway).

This puts the UK well below the western European average.

While the dollar/sterling exchange rate grabs the headlines, the pound now lies 15 per cent below its 20-year average against the euro, the currency derided by many Conservative politicians. We are even hurtling towards parity with the Swiss franc — in 2000 the rate was 2.5 to the pound.

Over-financialisation of our economy and misallocation of resources is one cause of low UK investment and poor productivity.

Rather than reducing regulation and tax, we should be ending the carried interest tax break for private equity; better regulating pensions and fund managers who top-slice their percentage from our pensions, regardless of performance; preventing, rather than encouraging pension funds from investing in risky and opaque PE; and stopping PE from treating utilities like milch cows and offshoring profits to tax havens.

Nothing in last week’s mini-Budget (Report, September 24) indicates that our new leaders have the slightest grasp of the scale of our long-term, structural problems — or the solutions, above a half-digested, two-dimensional version of Thatcherism.

Rather than blustering about Britain being the “fifth richest economy”, we need honest leaders who accept that we are no longer a world power, stop pretending there is a special place for us in the anglosphere or Commonwealth and concentrate instead on internal development.

We need to rein back the worst abuses of financial services; reform education; encourage savings over consumption; reduce incentives to invest in property rather than productive assets; smarter, not higher defence spending — no more aircraft carriers; and, of course, rejoin the EU single market.

For that, I guess, we will have to wait for the departure of what will quite probably be the last ever Tory prime minister and the reform of our “unique” electoral system which now no longer delivers stability, only division and decline.

Phillip Oppenheim
Conservative Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (1996-97)
Todenham, Gloucestershire, UK

_Os_ wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:32 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:16 am And 35% of the country will still vote for and support them because blue rosette.

That 30%-35% is their core vote and has a staggeringly high tolerance level for poor governance. As discussed with neeps pages back, as long as they hold that they still have a chance in any election.

The Kamikwazi budget revealed a bit more about how firm it is. All the polling since has the Tories in the 20%-29% range. It seems their core support has 20% in the vote for the pig with a blue rosette category, and a top up of 15% who largely vote in their own immediate economic self interest. Polls show that top up 15% looks entirely mercenary and is breaking for Labour likely because they can beat the Tories (the Lib Dems gained nothing), only a small amount went from the Tories to Reform UK.

There's some other recent polling developments. Leave voters aren't consolidated behind the Tories, Labour and the Tories have about the same amount of Leave voters (Yougov had them at 39% each, and Reform UK taking 8%), but the Remain vote is more consolidated (Labout 63%/Lib Dems 12%). Supporting Brexit doesn't look like a big vote winner, but those parties that were more favourable to Remain are still trusted by Remainers more (Greens/SNP/Tories share the rest of the remain vote roughly equally, but the SNP and Greens are parties with a much smaller footprint than the Tories). The Tories are also nowhere with those under the age of 50, they're below 15% in those age groups. Labour are also polling ahead of the Tories in areas they normally don't, immigration and the economy.

The Tories could still regain their core vote, which will mean replacing the Truss government. If they maintain this course, the polling is now showing they'll be on 20%-ish with all that weighted towards those over 50 years old in England.

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:58 am No one has posted Phillip Oppenheim's letter in the FT yet; a devastating attack on the last 12 years of Tory rule .... by a Tory

Letter: Truss has little grasp of UK’s structural problems
From Phillip Oppenheim, Conservative Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (1996-97), Todenham, Gloucestershire, UK

If financial services produced wealth for the whole economy, the UK would be a stunning success, not a country which has sunk from sixth in per capita gross domestic product in 1960 to just 20th now (excluding tax havens and oil rich nations, but including Norway).

This puts the UK well below the western European average.

While the dollar/sterling exchange rate grabs the headlines, the pound now lies 15 per cent below its 20-year average against the euro, the currency derided by many Conservative politicians. We are even hurtling towards parity with the Swiss franc — in 2000 the rate was 2.5 to the pound.

Over-financialisation of our economy and misallocation of resources is one cause of low UK investment and poor productivity.

Rather than reducing regulation and tax, we should be ending the carried interest tax break for private equity; better regulating pensions and fund managers who top-slice their percentage from our pensions, regardless of performance; preventing, rather than encouraging pension funds from investing in risky and opaque PE; and stopping PE from treating utilities like milch cows and offshoring profits to tax havens.

Nothing in last week’s mini-Budget (Report, September 24) indicates that our new leaders have the slightest grasp of the scale of our long-term, structural problems — or the solutions, above a half-digested, two-dimensional version of Thatcherism.

Rather than blustering about Britain being the “fifth richest economy”, we need honest leaders who accept that we are no longer a world power, stop pretending there is a special place for us in the anglosphere or Commonwealth and concentrate instead on internal development.

We need to rein back the worst abuses of financial services; reform education; encourage savings over consumption; reduce incentives to invest in property rather than productive assets; smarter, not higher defence spending — no more aircraft carriers; and, of course, rejoin the EU single market.

For that, I guess, we will have to wait for the departure of what will quite probably be the last ever Tory prime minister and the reform of our “unique” electoral system which now no longer delivers stability, only division and decline.

Phillip Oppenheim
Conservative Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (1996-97)
Todenham, Gloucestershire, UK

https://www.ft.com/content/9d358603-363 ... 55fe07d930

tabascoboy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:16 pm

Burns previously had to resign as a trade minister in 2020 after being found to have used his position to try to intimidate a member of the public. He was found by the standards committee to have made a series of veiled threats while attempting to intervene in his father’s dispute over a loan.

tabascoboy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:23 pm Makes you wonder what he has done, given some of the previous attempts on behalf of other MPs to wave off sexual misconduct and corruption as not worth any punitive action...maybe just "looking at the dear leader in a funny way"

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:53 pm Sex or drugs ?

SaintK wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:25 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:16 pm

So it was him all the rumours were about!!!
One of the blonde slug's closest allies. Nasty piece of work.

Burns previously had to resign as a trade minister in 2020 after being found to have used his position to try to intimidate a member of the public. He was found by the standards committee to have made a series of veiled threats while attempting to intervene in his father’s dispute over a loan.

PCPhil wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:37 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:53 pm Sex or drugs ?

And rock n roll.