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Insane_Homer
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fucking get in, that was awesome.
Lewis too good and too smart.
Great battles and racing all over the place too.
Norris, Perez & Leclerc.
Lewis too good and too smart.
Great battles and racing all over the place too.
Norris, Perez & Leclerc.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
You didn’t. They blamed the race officials, not Mercedes.
Anyhow, Mercedes now have 3 weeks to try and work out how to get some rear downforce into that car without sacrificing any speed. I wouldn't bet against them doing it, but Red Bull aren't going to be standing still. This is literally the last thing they wanted with a significant rule change coming up and their wind tunnel time being restricted for that as well (relative to the rest of the field).
Indeed from FP1-3, Qualy then the race. 7 constructors in the top 10 of Qualifying. This is the best start to an F1 year I have seen in ages. So happy its not a Merc procession anymoreSandstorm wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:46 pm Best start of season for Red Bull for years. Great for the sport.
Stupid buy for Aston Martin. He’ll shit the bed again this season and piss off the customers for their road cars.Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:12 pm Impressive weekend for Vettel. Between the qualifying penalty and the Ocon incident, he picked up 5 penalty points on his superlicense.
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Quite. I have yet to hear a sustainable explanation.
Germans buy a lot of Aston Martins apparently.
Perhaps they’ll stop
A Canadian who most people think is a daddy's boy with little talent got the car into Q1 and scored points with it. All is not lost yet.
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Insane_Homer
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“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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~ 30 laps with a gain of just 0.05 sec each time
= 1.5 seconds further head, which would've given Max another ~3-5 laps to attack with DRS?
= 1.5 seconds further head, which would've given Max another ~3-5 laps to attack with DRS?
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
Second tyre pitstop:Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:46 am ~ 30 laps with a gain of just 0.05 sec each time
= 1.5 seconds further head, which would've given Max another ~3-5 laps to attack with DRS?
Lewis: 3.2 secs
Max: 1.9 secs
The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
Yup, just shows how much better Merc is than everyone else at everything.Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
Which is ridiculous, why bother having track limits if you're allowed to exceed them. Why not put gravel or something down to penalise the drivers who run wide?Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
Because it’s more dangerous for bikes that share the track. Ditto why they’re making the curbs much lower and why F1 cars just cruise over them.sturginho wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:12 pmWhich is ridiculous, why bother having track limits if you're allowed to exceed them. Why not put gravel or something down to penalise the drivers who run wide?Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
I’d put a wall on the outside of every curve if I was in charge.....
Which was the point Martin Brindle was making.sturginho wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:12 pmWhich is ridiculous, why bother having track limits if you're allowed to exceed them. Why not put gravel or something down to penalise the drivers who run wide?Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
There are some corners that you probably don't want to massively penalise a driver on because they've run wide occasionally - even street circuits have "some" run off are at the more extreme corners. But track limits should be either track limits, or they shouldn't be. Not this bizarre situation where they were heavily enforced during FP and qualifying, then not enforced during the race until they decided to enforce them.
A system of sensors ought to be relatively cheap and easy to enforce across the whole track with something like a running allowance of 1 or 2 exceptions for any 10 laps (or something like that) to allow for cars being forced wide, tyres failing, etc. Anything beyond that gets a warning, anything further is a 5 second penalty
I watch the F1 on Italian tv, so I miss out on Martin Brundle's dulcet tonesSaint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:19 pmWhich was the point Martin Brindle was making.sturginho wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:12 pmWhich is ridiculous, why bother having track limits if you're allowed to exceed them. Why not put gravel or something down to penalise the drivers who run wide?Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
There are some corners that you probably don't want to massively penalise a driver on because they've run wide occasionally - even street circuits have "some" run off are at the more extreme corners. But track limits should be either track limits, or they shouldn't be. Not this bizarre situation where they were heavily enforced during FP and qualifying, then not enforced during the race until they decided to enforce them.
A system of sensors ought to be relatively cheap and easy to enforce across the whole track with something like a running allowance of 1 or 2 exceptions for any 10 laps (or something like that) to allow for cars being forced wide, tyres failing, etc. Anything beyond that gets a warning, anything further is a 5 second penalty
Spikes..Sandstorm wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:14 pmBecause it’s more dangerous for bikes that share the track. Ditto why they’re making the curbs much lower and why F1 cars just cruise over them.sturginho wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:12 pmWhich is ridiculous, why bother having track limits if you're allowed to exceed them. Why not put gravel or something down to penalise the drivers who run wide?Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
I’d put a wall on the outside of every curve if I was in charge.....
I love watching little children running and screaming, playing hide and seek in the playground.
They don't know I'm using blanks..
They don't know I'm using blanks..
Indeed, it could also be argued that Max and Red Bull were hoist by their own petard. Having complained about track limits to make sure Lewis didn't exceed them, they can't very well complain when they are penalised for then exceeding those same track limits later on.Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:59 am The reality is that Hamilton was just doing exactly what the stewards had said he was allowed to do until they told him he wasn;t allowed to do it - presumably prompted in part by Red Bulls radio to Max.
He didn't exceed the limits after that.
Exceeding track limits to execute an overtake is almost always "give the place back" regardless of any specified stewards limits for a corner. So the reality is that two separate issues are being incorrectly conflated because they happened to take place at the same point on the track
So, this is how the regs for this race evolved over the weekend
Thursday
These sorts of things happened rarely when Charlie was still with us, but seem to happen all the time now that Masi is in charge. One can only hope that he will improve
Thursday
Friday, after FP1The track limits at the exit of Turn 4 will not be monitored with regard to setting a lap time, as the defining limits are the artificial grass and the gravel trap in that location.
In all cases during the race, Drivers are reminded of the provisions of Article 27.3 of the Sporting Regulations.
For completeness, the sporting regs basically giving absolute discretion to the Race DirectorPractice Sessions a) A lap time achieved during any practice session by leaving the track and cutting behind the red and white kerb on the exit of Turn 4, will result in that lap time being invalidated by the stewards.
Race a) The track limits at the exit of Turn 4 will not be monitored with regard to setting a lap time, as the defining limits are the artificial grass and the gravel trap in that location. b) In all cases during the race, Drivers are reminded of the provisions of Article 27.3 of the Sporting Regulations.
Regardless of that, completing the overtake outside the track limits almost always results in having to give the position back. Which is a different situation altogether.Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the track without a justifiable reason. Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not. Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the Race Director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
These sorts of things happened rarely when Charlie was still with us, but seem to happen all the time now that Masi is in charge. One can only hope that he will improve
Was Max within the track limits on every lap? I have no idea or horse in the race, just interested.Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:46 am ~ 30 laps with a gain of just 0.05 sec each time
= 1.5 seconds further head, which would've given Max another ~3-5 laps to attack with DRS?
I’m not writing the Aston off - the point I hoped to make was that some, including me, feel that Seb in and Checo out was a poor decision in terms of competiveness. Yes, the Merc / AMG links are influential and I’d say Aston’s future is all about the SUV for the next year or two imo. I think sharing the Safety Car role is smarter business than signing Seb.Kawazaki wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:33 pm
A Canadian who most people think is a daddy's boy with little talent got the car into Q1 and scored points with it. All is not lost yet.
Agree, the safety car role is very good business for them. From a brand perspective, AM probably would have got a lot more value going for a British driver rather than Vettel - I can understand the appeal of getting a 4x WC in, but for a brand like AM it's limited when it's an underperforming GermanUn Pilier wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:25 pmI’m not writing the Aston off - the point I hoped to make was that some, including me, feel that Seb in and Checo out was a poor decision in terms of competiveness. Yes, the Merc / AMG links are influential and I’d say Aston’s future is all about the SUV for the next year or two imo. I think sharing the Safety Car role is smarter business than signing Seb.