So, coronavirus...

[SaintK]

Spot the masks on the Tory benches in a packed HoC after The Speaker had urged all MP's to continue to wear them. On the Government front bench only Gove and Hinds actually wore a mask

Cabinet ministers have been accused of undermining Covid advice and putting MPs’ and parliamentary staff’s safety at risk by declining to wear masks, as they packed the Commons chamber full to debate Afghanistan’s takeover by the Taliban.

[dpedin]

Spot the masks on the Tory benches in a packed HoC after The Speaker had urged all MP's to continue to wear them. On the Government front bench only Gove and Hinds actually wore a mask

Cabinet ministers have been accused of undermining Covid advice and putting MPs’ and parliamentary staff’s safety at risk by declining to wear masks, as they packed the Commons chamber full to debate Afghanistan’s takeover by the Taliban.

Darwinian Awards? They certainly got a new arsehole ripped out today so a dose of covid should just finish a few of them off, no bad thing!

[Enzedder]

Darwinian Awards? They certainly got a new arsehole ripped out today so a dose of covid should just finish a few of them off, no bad thing!

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[BnM]

[Insane_Homer]

30,838 New cases.

174 deaths.

Last 7 days: 234,853 cases. 704 deaths.

[Sandstorm]

30,838 New cases.

174 deaths.

Last 7 days: 234,853 cases. 704 deaths.

Cases in Cornwall are going through the roof. The county with the least ICU beds.

[sorCrer]

Thanks. Very interesting read that.

[Slick]

As a little aside, and completely anecdotal, I was hoping that we would come out of this with everyone being a little more caring and patient with people.

I've been out and about the last week and it seems the opposite has happened. Drivers seem a lot more aggressive, every bus I've been on the driver has been furious about something, people just seem generally more rude and angry - I've really noticed a difference.

I know the hospitality sector in Edinburgh have been having real problems with tourists flouting the rules here and getting very aggressive when asked to comply etc, but it does seem wider than that.

[dpedin]

As a little aside, and completely anecdotal, I was hoping that we would come out of this with everyone being a little more caring and patient with people.

I've been out and about the last week and it seems the opposite has happened. Drivers seem a lot more aggressive, every bus I've been on the driver has been furious about something, people just seem generally more rude and angry - I've really noticed a difference.

I know the hospitality sector in Edinburgh have been having real problems with tourists flouting the rules here and getting very aggressive when asked to comply etc, but it does seem wider than that.

Actually I thought the opposite! There has been a few examples of folk not wearing masks when they should be but other than that a lot of the goodwill seems to still be around.

[de_Selby]

Hearing that RSV concerns for young kids, <2, are growing for this winter. NHS getting ready for 2-3 times the usual numbers and expect the outbreak to happen earlier than normal. Already seen some early outbreaks this summer. Concerns over paeds ICU capacity and that primary care/emergency care may struggle as many parents concerned about covid seek medical advice. Along with expected increase in flu this is the last thing the NHS needs now.

My 6 month old son had to spend a week in hospital with it, and is still getting over it. Luckily he didn't need ICU or anything and is fine. There was one other baby there in the same ward with it too who was only a few weeks old.

[Paddington Bear]

As a little aside, and completely anecdotal, I was hoping that we would come out of this with everyone being a little more caring and patient with people.

I've been out and about the last week and it seems the opposite has happened. Drivers seem a lot more aggressive, every bus I've been on the driver has been furious about something, people just seem generally more rude and angry - I've really noticed a difference.

I know the hospitality sector in Edinburgh have been having real problems with tourists flouting the rules here and getting very aggressive when asked to comply etc, but it does seem wider than that.

Likewise. Have noticed some edge in pubs that you'd never expect to be that way, played in the most unpleasant cricket matches I can remember and got offered out on the train a few weeks ago for reasons that escape me given I was reading a book. Suspect it is some sort of aftermath of the winter lockdown which I think a lot of us found almost unbearable.

[ScarfaceClaw]

As a little aside, and completely anecdotal, I was hoping that we would come out of this with everyone being a little more caring and patient with people.

I've been out and about the last week and it seems the opposite has happened. Drivers seem a lot more aggressive, every bus I've been on the driver has been furious about something, people just seem generally more rude and angry - I've really noticed a difference.

I know the hospitality sector in Edinburgh have been having real problems with tourists flouting the rules here and getting very aggressive when asked to comply etc, but it does seem wider than that.

Actually I thought the opposite! There has been a few examples of folk not wearing masks when they should be but other than that a lot of the goodwill seems to still be around.

I’m seeing more of what slick is seeing. It’s possibly a coming together of a number of issues where there doesn’t seem to be any middle ground of opinion. Brexit good or bad. Lockdown good or bad. Vaccines good or bad. Plus people been largely isolated for 18 months and they are not used to other people anymore.

The whole world seems to have lost any ability to have nuanced conversations or interactions. Opinions are (to me at least) at the extremes and it’s impossible to rationally discuss anything anymore. It’s either an echo chamber for like minded extremes or an argument where no one is interested in any sort of debate.

I blame Ian Foster. Fozzie out.

[dpedin]

Hearing that RSV concerns for young kids, <2, are growing for this winter. NHS getting ready for 2-3 times the usual numbers and expect the outbreak to happen earlier than normal. Already seen some early outbreaks this summer. Concerns over paeds ICU capacity and that primary care/emergency care may struggle as many parents concerned about covid seek medical advice. Along with expected increase in flu this is the last thing the NHS needs now.

My 6 month old son had to spend a week in hospital with it, and is still getting over it. Luckily he didn't need ICU or anything and is fine. There was one other baby there in the same ward with it too who was only a few weeks old.

Glad to hear your son is recovering well. Must have been a shitty and worrying time.

[Slick]

Hearing that RSV concerns for young kids, <2, are growing for this winter. NHS getting ready for 2-3 times the usual numbers and expect the outbreak to happen earlier than normal. Already seen some early outbreaks this summer. Concerns over paeds ICU capacity and that primary care/emergency care may struggle as many parents concerned about covid seek medical advice. Along with expected increase in flu this is the last thing the NHS needs now.

My 6 month old son had to spend a week in hospital with it, and is still getting over it. Luckily he didn't need ICU or anything and is fine. There was one other baby there in the same ward with it too who was only a few weeks old.

Really sorry to hear this, must have been awful. Glad he is recovering.

[fishfoodie]

Hearing that RSV concerns for young kids, <2, are growing for this winter. NHS getting ready for 2-3 times the usual numbers and expect the outbreak to happen earlier than normal. Already seen some early outbreaks this summer. Concerns over paeds ICU capacity and that primary care/emergency care may struggle as many parents concerned about covid seek medical advice. Along with expected increase in flu this is the last thing the NHS needs now.

My 6 month old son had to spend a week in hospital with it, and is still getting over it. Luckily he didn't need ICU or anything and is fine. There was one other baby there in the same ward with it too who was only a few weeks old.

Really sorry to hear this, must have been awful. Glad he is recovering.

+1

[de_Selby]

Yeah he's fine now so all good, but I was more just echoing your observation that RSV seems to be more prevalent than usual.

The Drs did suggest that these viruses are starting to spread around like wildfire and kids are ending up getting multiple at once now that social distancing etc isn't being practiced as much.

[dpedin]

Yeah he's fine now so all good, but I was more just echoing your observation that RSV seems to be more prevalent than usual.

The Drs did suggest that these viruses are starting to spread around like wildfire and kids are ending up getting multiple at once now that social distancing etc isn't being practiced as much.

Docs remain worried about RSV for late summer/early Autumn and and over winter and are well prepped for it but still worried about the strain it will put on the system as a whole. Paeds ICU staff spent a lot of time in adult ICU with covid so will have 24 months of constant pressure with little respite. Lots of work going on to identify surge capacity, train up staff, etc.

Flu and other respiratory bugs are a concern across whole pop this winter, main reason why Scotland has kept masks as a legal requirement in certain areas, I suspect we will see some row back and some previous lock down constraints reinstated. A&E is already very, very busy and is in danger of getting swamped in winter. Elective surgeries already being cancelled so backlog getting bigger and recovery will be even more difficult. Staffing is becoming a major concern in hospitals and community teams, they are just knackered and many older ones will retire early next year due to pension changes. There is no point the Gov throwing money at the problem as there is no workforce left to recruit/hire and training has been badly disrupted, without staff there is no service. It is going to be a very, very difficult winter for the NHS, don't get ill!

[Slick]

Yeah he's fine now so all good, but I was more just echoing your observation that RSV seems to be more prevalent than usual.

The Drs did suggest that these viruses are starting to spread around like wildfire and kids are ending up getting multiple at once now that social distancing etc isn't being practiced as much.

Yes, my daughter seems to be particularly susceptible to these kinds of thing so I'm quite worried about the months ahead.

[Biffer]

As a little aside, and completely anecdotal, I was hoping that we would come out of this with everyone being a little more caring and patient with people.

I've been out and about the last week and it seems the opposite has happened. Drivers seem a lot more aggressive, every bus I've been on the driver has been furious about something, people just seem generally more rude and angry - I've really noticed a difference.

I know the hospitality sector in Edinburgh have been having real problems with tourists flouting the rules here and getting very aggressive when asked to comply etc, but it does seem wider than that.

Actually I thought the opposite! There has been a few examples of folk not wearing masks when they should be but other than that a lot of the goodwill seems to still be around.

To be honest I've not noticed much difference from before. Bus drivers seem the same as they were, some cheery, some miserable. Bar staff generally the same (but FOH staff are very quick to point things out that are wrong), main thing I've noticed is people don't just fire into your personal space. I think in Edinburgh, drivers are wound up by the changes to the roads - and if you consider that these were probably the drivers most likely to look for rat runs, quick nips up an inside lane etc, they were probably twats to begin with who are now just angrier because they can't. I think there may be a bit of people getting hot under the collar when their entitlement is challenged.

[shaggy]

As a little aside, and completely anecdotal, I was hoping that we would come out of this with everyone being a little more caring and patient with people.

I've been out and about the last week and it seems the opposite has happened. Drivers seem a lot more aggressive, every bus I've been on the driver has been furious about something, people just seem generally more rude and angry - I've really noticed a difference.

I know the hospitality sector in Edinburgh have been having real problems with tourists flouting the rules here and getting very aggressive when asked to comply etc, but it does seem wider than that.

Actually I thought the opposite! There has been a few examples of folk not wearing masks when they should be but other than that a lot of the goodwill seems to still be around.

To be honest I've not noticed much difference from before. Bus drivers seem the same as they were, some cheery, some miserable. Bar staff generally the same (but FOH staff are very quick to point things out that are wrong), main thing I've noticed is people don't just fire into your personal space. I think in Edinburgh, drivers are wound up by the changes to the roads - and if you consider that these were probably the drivers most likely to look for rat runs, quick nips up an inside lane etc, they were probably twats to begin with who are now just angrier because they can't. I think there may be a bit of people getting hot under the collar when their entitlement is challenged.

Well, seeing as the mainstream media and social media has gone hellbent on further polarising society it can hardly come as any surprise.

[Slick]

1st week at school and first confirmed case in my sons class

[Sandstorm]

1st week at school and first confirmed case in my sons class

Jab them all

[robmatic]

1st week at school and first confirmed case in my sons class

They are basically all going to get it before too long. It's endemic and really contagious.

[Slick]

1st week at school and first confirmed case in my sons class

They are basically all going to get it before too long. It's endemic and really contagious.

You are probably right which worries me. As I said further up my daughter seems quite susceptible to anything lung/chest

[tc27]

Scotland should be the canary in the UK coalmine about schools going back and case rates..also really not sure holding COP21 in Glasgow is a good idea now.

I am at the point where I think the government should simply go ahead with vaccinations for teenagers with or without JCVI giving the nod.

[dpedin]

The case rate in under 25s is going through the roof in Scotland - 1650 cases per week per 100k in 15-19 year olds. Fingers crossed we don't see lots of long covid. With these numbers there will inevitably be an increase in hospitalisations and deaths. Thankfully rates in older age categories is much much lower but feel uncomfortable about rates in young folk - agree we should start vaccinating >12 year olds.

[Flockwitt]

NZ has approved the 12-15 age band for Pfizer and is encouraging parents to take their kids along with them so both can be jabbed at the same time.

[BnM]

I know I shouldn't have laughed but I did. Sick of these morons.

[dpedin]

Had an argument with guy in golf club who won't take vaccine, told me that the Yellow Card system in UK had found there had been 1,102 deaths because of the vaccine. Feckin idiot had 'seen it on Facebook'. Tried to explain to him that these deaths were not attributable to the vaccine but were the normal death rates you would expect to see for this size of population within the period following the vaccine, even if no-one had had the vaccine. I explained that many of the folk who were included in the reporting, from earlier vaccinations, were the old and infirm and if you give a vaccine to an elderly person with terminal cancer and they die shortly thereafter then it is the cancer not the vaccine that was the cause of death. He just couldn't grasp the concept and insisted that the vaccine had 'killed' 1,102 people in the given time period because they had been flagged up by the Yellow Card system, so he wasn't having one! I have sent him the following ...

https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

This is a bit like people who claim to have got flu from the flu vaccine, even though the virus is inactivated. They can't accept that statistically when being vaccinated there will be some who have already caught and are incubating the flu and this will come to light shortly after being vaccinated and before flu antibodies have fully developed. The vaccine did not give them the flu!!!

It worries me that many folk believe these anti vaccine misinformation, that they can't be bothered to do some simple research to find the facts and, even worse, they believe the conspiracy theories about medics conspiring to misinform and hide the facts from the public.

[Calculon]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... er/619783/

[Sandstorm]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... er/619783/

Good article. And no discussions about vaccine brands either.

[Marylandolorian]

https://www.theatlantic.com/sc/archive/ ... er/619783/

Good article. And no discussions about vaccine brands either.

So is that our future?

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[Sandstorm]

Nah, 1 booster each October. Just like the flu.

Covid won’t mutate faster than that with low numbers everywhere. Just need to keep them low for the future.

Whether we have to force Novak to get jabbed is another question.

[Calculon]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... er/619783/

Good article. And no discussions about vaccine brands either.

Yeah, I agree with the thrust if not every point but she writes in a beautifully readable manner. I've just had the pleasure of talking to my antivax brother in law and being told how pcr tests don't work on coronavirus and how the mrna virus doesn't work

Another beautifully written article from the same magazine

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... es/619875/

Interestingly both articles written by female ethnic Chinese

[BnM]

I know I shouldn't have laughed but I did. Sick of these morons.

He died. 4 kids
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-covid-19

[GogLais]

I know I shouldn't have laughed but I did. Sick of these morons.

Darwin strikes again.

[Openside]

I know I shouldn't have laughed but I did. Sick of these morons.

Darwin strikes again.

"He died. 4 kids"

Too late, he doesn't qualify...

[Marylandolorian]

I know I shouldn't have laughed but I did. Sick of these morons.
https://twitter.com/fastatus/1431329787063136258

Darwin strikes again.

"He died. 4 kids"

Too late, he doesn't qualify...

At least without their “father figure”, the kids might have a chance now.

[BnM]

Good chart - I know I'm preaching to converted but I thought I'd share.

[Biffer]

One for the anti lockdown crew to wrangle themselves into a state about - suicides decreased during the first lockdown in the UK