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Marylandolorian wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:25 am Why did they play this ball and not kick it away

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:40 am O'Keefe's understand of how the scrum is actually going is certainly novel.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:58 am If O'Keefe hadn't kept gifting the Wobs territory and shots at goal with his apalling scrum decisions, this would be a very different game.

Ymx wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:00 pm I’m not living this down am I.

Ymx wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:05 pm Is torq on a timeout?

Marylandolorian wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:00 am Whatever floats your boat

Having reviewed all the evidence, the committee deemed that Marika Koroibete’s tackle on French loose-forward Anthony Jelonch initially made shoulder to shoulder contact," the statement read.

Subsequently, through the impact, any contact to the chest and neck was incidental by Koroibete.

Therefore, World Rugby’s Head Contact Process was not met due to mitigating factors, and the act of the foul play was secondary.

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:06 pm Contact:



Can completely believe he hits shoulder first. It shouldn't matter.

The fact that it was a dangerous shoulder charge should also matter.

Marylandolorian wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:00 am Whatever floats your boat

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:02 pm It's an interesting ruling - he admitted to a red card offence and got it rescinded. Gonna be some interesting hearings next season.

WR have set their stall out here: If you hit someone high on the body but don't make contact with the neck or head first, then you're okay. Bit of a turnaround from "you're responsible for the head contact that happens when you try and tackle high"

Separately, the fact that Koroibete essentially shoulder charges him should also be a problem - the fact that he sort of wraps with his other arm is irrelevant, he smashed the guy with a shoulder while his arm was going almost straight down. He practically punched the guy in the cock

WR have got to be better at cleaning up tackles, this is a terrible look.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:56 pm

Marylandolorian wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:00 am Whatever floats your boat

Not red for me and Jelonch's effort to impersonate David Bory or Huget not very impressive either.

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:31 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:02 pm It's an interesting ruling - he admitted to a red card offence and got it rescinded. Gonna be some interesting hearings next season.

WR have set their stall out here: If you hit someone high on the body but don't make contact with the neck or head first, then you're okay. Bit of a turnaround from "you're responsible for the head contact that happens when you try and tackle high"

Separately, the fact that Koroibete essentially shoulder charges him should also be a problem - the fact that he sort of wraps with his other arm is irrelevant, he smashed the guy with a shoulder while his arm was going almost straight down. He practically punched the guy in the cock

WR have got to be better at cleaning up tackles, this is a terrible look.

tl:dr I was wrong so using post-hoc rationalisation, I'll prove I was right.

The internet in a nutshell.

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:45 pm Players admit guilt to get a lower sanction. Happens all the time.

I said at the time that it wasn't a red. The officials got it wrong.

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:45 pm Players admit guilt to get a lower sanction. Happens all the time.

I said at the time that it wasn't a red. The officials got it wrong.

Players admitting guilt to a red card sanction only to get off scot-free doesn't happen though, does it?

You also thought that a player running into contact with his arm braced to his chest was a red card, and that the Koroibete one wasn't even a yellow, so perhaps your radar isn't as finely tuned as you're trying to make out.

WR have essentially said that the mitigation process should've taken into account that it was shoulder contact first (by a split second) - it still hit the head, it's still a dangerous tackle, it's still a card, and just as importantly it's been ruled a red card in many, many situations before now. If the aim is player safety, it's a shocker of a decision from multiple angles.

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:45 pm Players admit guilt to get a lower sanction. Happens all the time.

I said at the time that it wasn't a red. The officials got it wrong.

Players admitting guilt to a red card sanction only to get off scot-free doesn't happen though, does it?

You also thought that a player running into contact with his arm braced to his chest was a red card, and that the Koroibete one wasn't even a yellow, so perhaps your radar isn't as finely tuned as you're trying to make out.

WR have essentially said that the mitigation process should've taken into account that it was shoulder contact first (by a split second) - it still hit the head, it's still a dangerous tackle, it's still a card, and just as importantly it's been ruled a red card in many, many situations before now. If the aim is player safety, it's a shocker of a decision from multiple angles.

A player leading with an extended forearm into a players throat should at least be looked at by the referee.

Koroibete's hit was a perfectly good shoulder to shoulder tackle. I said it at the time. Your interpretation of what happened is wrong.

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:40 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Players admitting guilt to a red card sanction only to get off scot-free doesn't happen though, does it?

You also thought that a player running into contact with his arm braced to his chest was a red card, and that the Koroibete one wasn't even a yellow, so perhaps your radar isn't as finely tuned as you're trying to make out.

WR have essentially said that the mitigation process should've taken into account that it was shoulder contact first (by a split second) - it still hit the head, it's still a dangerous tackle, it's still a card, and just as importantly it's been ruled a red card in many, many situations before now. If the aim is player safety, it's a shocker of a decision from multiple angles.

A player leading with an extended forearm into a players throat should at least be looked at by the referee.

It wasn't extended, and didn't hit his throat. Apart from that, spot on.

Koroibete's hit was a perfectly good shoulder to shoulder tackle. I said it at the time. Your interpretation of what happened is wrong.

The picture alone shows it's not a perfectly good shoulder to shoulder tackle. For a start, it's a shoulder charge with no attempt to wrap with the arm connected to the shoulder doing the hitting. Secondly, he twats him in the jaw a millisecond after hitting him in the shoulder.

If that's a perfectly good tackle then the sport is fucked.