2020/21 Currie Cup

[assfly]

It's also about arrogance. One has to wonder how much prep-work the Bulls coaching staff and technical team actually did before the match, and if they thought that if they just pitched up they would walk it.

Rassie has mentioned that coaching at Munster was such a great learning experience as a coach. Because there was such a variety of opponents and playing styles and conditions, that you couldn't rely on your own strengths week in and week out. You actually had to analyse your opposition and:
a.) Attack a weakness, and
b.) Shore up your own weakness where you think you will get exploited

I often get the impression, the only South African teams that take this approach are the small unions like Griquas and the Pumas, who can't just rely on their superior cattle to be competitive. It's also what Rassie and Nienaber did at the Cheetahs, since they just didn't have the budget to compete. And this attitude used to go all the way to the Boks. Just show up with bigger, more athletic players, and a basic familiar gameplan, and most of the time we should win by default...except for NZ, Australia, England and France. I'm glad this thinking seems to be a thing of the past with the Boks now. Hopefully with more exposure (and some humiliation) in the Unified Rainbow Cup thingy, more SA coaches will gain experience in this way of coaching.

Disappointed in Jake White though. One would think with his experience he would be over this by now, but I guess France's teams to some extent have a similar attitude. Just buy the biggest, baddest cattle you can afford and throw them at the opposition. I guess that's how he coached at Montpelier.

Yes I agree with all of that. We've seen many mediocre players leave SA to play overseas and become better players, so I'm sure our coaches will also be forced to improve their coaching styles too with such a shock to the system.

Short term, I think our first season in URC will be a shock and we may struggle. But long term, I think we'll thrive. Our teams will be tested, the variety of playing conditions and opposition they are going to encounter is going to be mind-boggling.

[handyman]

I still think that in SA there's a lot of baantjies vir boeties and not enough of the best person getting the job.

[OomStruisbaai]

OK the Bulls had one kak day in the office, now it's all doom and gloom

[Blake]

I still think that in SA there's a lot of baadtjies vir boeties and not enough of the best person getting the job.

I think it's gone beyond that to be honest. It may have started as run-of-the-mill nepotism, but it has become so ingrained over the decades that there is possibly the perception that its not even worth pursuing a career or involvement in rugby structures unless you are a part of some rugby legacy or an ex-player. So it's just more boeties applying, or said boeties being developed from an early age, and many talented administrators / coaches etc don't even bother anymore.

But that's a broad generalisation.

[OomStruisbaai]

Our best team? I'm not even going to reply if that is how much you know about rugby.

Look like Edwill vd Merwe is already at the Lions?

Huge loss. This guy is Springbok material for sure. I see him as a potential fullback too. He has played there in the past. The All Blacks have very successfully moved skilled wingers to no.15 and back. Ben Smith, John Timu, Israel Dagg and Mils Muliainia for eg. I think he's better than Stravino Jacobs and Penxe. He's smallish but at 90kg he's the same size as Mapimpi and 10kg heavier than Kolbe.

On the udder hand it seem that Senatla is struggling. Try to hard I think and to read Sergeal Petersen is almost as difficult as reading Willie. Both should just calm down and do the basic of draw and pass and using their gas.

[FalseBayFC]

I still think that in SA there's a lot of baantjies vir boeties and not enough of the best person getting the job.

That is certainly a factor. Especially when the failed or washed up players come back from overseas. Guys like Gio Aplon (legend but finished), Clayton Blommetjies ( a never was), Arno Botha (is he injured?), de Jongh (is he still coming?), that flank Potgieter (to the Cheetahs) ens ens.

The problem is that we tend to believe that the exception proves the rule too much. Kolbe is a great wing -> size doesn't matter. Willem Alberts is doing well for the Lions -> we need more 37 year old forwards in our game.

I also think that our 2019 World Cup victory has resurrected that old South African hubris. 2010 -2021 we've beaten the All Blacks 3 times and won no Super Rugby titles. We just have a very mediocre domestic game and have had for some time now. The very same problem the Aussies now face. Blame player drain, shit coaching and quotas but with the volume of talent our schools produce we should be doing a lot better imo.

[Blake]

On the udder hand it seem that Senatla is struggling. Try to hard I think and to read Sergeal Petersen is almost as difficult as reading Willie. Both should just calm down and do the basic of draw and pass and using their gas.

When has Senatla NOT struggled at XV's?

He had one semi-decent CC 4-years ago when most of the Boks were not available, then he got injured, and since then he has shown nothing.
Can't wait for Sevens to start up again so he can go there. He is a superstar and stay there.

[FalseBayFC]

OK the Bulls had one kak day in the office, now it's all doom and gloom

Oom! The Bulls last won a major trophy in 2010. It's been doom and gloom for lots and lots of kak days. What are the Bulls going to do minus Duane, Morne, Marco and Cornel Hendricks? Because those guys don't have many years left and Marco is outta here.

[OomStruisbaai]

OK the Bulls had one kak day in the office, now it's all doom and gloom

Oom! The Bulls last won a major trophy in 2010. It's been doom and gloom for lots and lots of kak days. What are the Bulls going to do minus Duane, Morne, Marco and Cornel Hendricks? Because those guys don't have many years left and Marco is outta here.

Jake White will just buy others.

To write SA Rugby off after the Bulls had a bad day is just plain stupid.

[OomStruisbaai]

Duanne is the Bulls. The writing was there. They struggled without him. Both matches vs the Stormers was very close, lost against the Lions. They needed him in Italy.

[OomStruisbaai]

Lions: 15. EW Viljoen; 14. Jamba Ulengo, 13. Manuel Rass, 12. Dan Kriel, 11. Rabz Maxwane; 10. Fred Zeilinga, 9. Dillon Smit; 8. Francke Horn (Capt), 7. Vincent Tshituka, 6. Sibusiso Sangweni, 5. Reinhard Nothnagel, 4. Ruben Schoeman, 3. Ruan Dreyer, 2. PJ Botha, 1. Nathan McBeth.
Replacements: 16. Jaco Visagie, 17. Banele Mthenjane, 18. Carlu Sadie, 19. Ruhan Straeuli, 20. Emmanuel Tshituka, 21. Morne van den Berg, 22. Aidynn Cupido, 23. Duncan Matthews.

DHL Western Province: 15 Tim Swiel, 14 Sergeal Petersen, 13 Rikus Pretorius, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Seabelo Senatla, 10 Abner van Reenen, 9 Godlen Masimla, 8 Juarno Augustus, 7 Evan Roos, 6 Marcel Theunissen, 5 David Meihuizen, 4 Ernst van Rhyn (captain), 3 Neethling Fouche, 2 JJ Kotze, 1 Ali Vermaak.
Replacements: 16 Jason Alexander, 17 Leon Lyons, 18 Sazi Sandi, 19 Justin Basson, 20 De Wet Marais, 21 Johan du Toit, 22 Paul de Wet, 23 Cornel Smit, 24 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko, 25 Hacjivah Dayimani, 26 Niel Otto.

[handyman]

Lions: 15. EW Viljoen; 14. Jamba Ulengo, 13. Manuel Rass, 12. Dan Kriel, 11. Rabz Maxwane; 10. Fred Zeilinga, 9. Dillon Smit; 8. Francke Horn (Capt), 7. Vincent Tshituka, 6. Sibusiso Sangweni, 5. Reinhard Nothnagel, 4. Ruben Schoeman, 3. Ruan Dreyer, 2. PJ Botha, 1. Nathan McBeth.
Replacements: 16. Jaco Visagie, 17. Banele Mthenjane, 18. Carlu Sadie, 19. Ruhan Straeuli, 20. Emmanuel Tshituka, 21. Morne van den Berg, 22. Aidynn Cupido, 23. Duncan Matthews.

DHL Western Province: 15 Tim Swiel, 14 Sergeal Petersen, 13 Rikus Pretorius, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Seabelo Senatla, 10 Abner van Reenen, 9 Godlen Masimla, 8 Juarno Augustus, 7 Evan Roos, 6 Marcel Theunissen, 5 David Meihuizen, 4 Ernst van Rhyn (captain), 3 Neethling Fouche, 2 JJ Kotze, 1 Ali Vermaak.
Replacements: 16 Jason Alexander, 17 Leon Lyons, 18 Sazi Sandi, 19 Justin Basson, 20 De Wet Marais, 21 Johan du Toit, 22 Paul de Wet, 23 Cornel Smit, 24 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko, 25 Hacjivah Dayimani, 26 Niel Otto.

Should be 5 points to province.

[OomStruisbaai]

WP look like a schoolboy team vs the Lions hardebaarde.

Lions by 50

[Chilli]

Lions: 15. EW Viljoen; 14. Jamba Ulengo, 13. Manuel Rass, 12. Dan Kriel, 11. Rabz Maxwane; 10. Fred Zeilinga, 9. Dillon Smit; 8. Francke Horn (Capt), 7. Vincent Tshituka, 6. Sibusiso Sangweni, 5. Reinhard Nothnagel, 4. Ruben Schoeman, 3. Ruan Dreyer, 2. PJ Botha, 1. Nathan McBeth.
Replacements: 16. Jaco Visagie, 17. Banele Mthenjane, 18. Carlu Sadie, 19. Ruhan Straeuli, 20. Emmanuel Tshituka, 21. Morne van den Berg, 22. Aidynn Cupido, 23. Duncan Matthews.

DHL Western Province: 15 Tim Swiel, 14 Sergeal Petersen, 13 Rikus Pretorius, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Seabelo Senatla, 10 Abner van Reenen, 9 Godlen Masimla, 8 Juarno Augustus, 7 Evan Roos, 6 Marcel Theunissen, 5 David Meihuizen, 4 Ernst van Rhyn (captain), 3 Neethling Fouche, 2 JJ Kotze, 1 Ali Vermaak.
Replacements: 16 Jason Alexander, 17 Leon Lyons, 18 Sazi Sandi, 19 Justin Basson, 20 De Wet Marais, 21 Johan du Toit, 22 Paul de Wet, 23 Cornel Smit, 24 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko, 25 Hacjivah Dayimani, 26 Niel Otto.

Should be 5 points to province.

That is one hell of a WP team.

[OomStruisbaai]

would have like to see Gelant, Edwil vd Merwe in the backline, short of locks, needs Schickerling or Moerat. Xaba in 6

[OomStruisbaai]

HT Lions 24-10. WP look flat & kak.

[Chilli]

I believe that the Lions beat the WP.

[OomStruisbaai]

Yep. WP was lucky to get 2 points out of the match. Lions were all over them tonight.

[OomStruisbaai]

This match moved to wednesday 30/6/2021 19h00

Sat 3/7/2021 WP vs Sharks 14h30

Giving the Sharks more time to isolate for their BIL match

[Chilli]

This match moved to wednesday 30/6/2021 19h00

Sat 3/7/2021 WP vs Sharks 14h30

Giving the Sharks more time to isolate for their BIL match

I might get to start liking these Wednesday Evening matches.

[assfly]

Giving the Sharks more time to isolate for their BIL match

With Bosch at 10, our backline have been isolating for months already.

[OomStruisbaai]

This match moved to wednesday 30/6/2021 19h00

Sat 3/7/2021 WP vs Sharks 14h30

Giving the Sharks more time to isolate for their BIL match

I might get to start liking these Wednesday Evening matches.

There are two next week.

Cheetahs vs Bulls 16h45
WP vs Sharks 19h00

[Chilli]

Giving the Sharks more time to isolate for their BIL match

With Bosch at 10, our backline have been isolating for months already.

It is almost as if he is the new, but far less talented, Naas Botha.

[assfly]

Sure

[OomStruisbaai]

Bulls: 15 Gio Aplon, 14 Madosh Tambwe, 13 Harold Vorster, 12 Cornal Hendricks, 11 Stravino Jacobs, 10 Chris Smith, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Marcell Coetzee, 7 Ruan Nortje, 6 Nizaam Carr, 5 Janko Swanepoel, 4 Walt Steenkamp, 3 Mornay Smith, 2 Schalk Erasmus, 1 Lizo Gqoboka
Substitutes:16 Sidney Tobias, 17 Simphiwe Matanzima, 18 Jacques van Rooyen, 19 Muller Uys, 20 WJ Steenkamp, 21 Zak Burger, 22 FC du Plessis, 23 David Kriel

Pumas: 15 Devon Williams, 14 Tapiwa Mafura, 13 Erich Cronje, 12 Matt Moore, 11 Etienne Taljaard, 10 Eddie Fouché, 9 Chriswil September, 8 Willie Engelbrecht, 7 Phumzile Maqondwana, 6 Francois Kleinhans, 5 Pieter Jansen van Vuren (captain), 4 Darrien Landsberg, 3 Marné Coetzee, 2 Simon Westraadt, 1 Dewald Maritz.
Replacements: 16 Eduan Swart, 17 Ruan Kramer, 18 Ignatius Prinsloo, 19 Brandon Valentine, 20 Kwanda Dimaza, 21 Ginter Smuts, 22 Wayne van der Bank, 23 Jade Stighling.

Date: Friday, June 25
Venue: Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Kick-off: 19.00 (17.00 GMT)
Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen
Assistant referees: Local
TMO: Cwengile Jadezweni

[OomStruisbaai]

Griquas: 15 Masixole Banda, 14 Daniel Kasende, 13 Jay-Cee Nel, 12 Andre Swarts, 11 Eduan Keyter, 10 George Whitehead, 9 Stefan Ungerer (captain), 8 Hanru Sirgel, 7 Sibabalo Qoma, 6 Gideon van der Merwe, 5 Cameron Lindsay, 4 Jeandré Leonard, 3 Ewald Van Der Westhuizen, 2 Janco Uys, 1 Andrew Beerwinkel.
Replacements – from: 16 Hendrick Luus, 17 Andrew Kuhn, 18 Janu Botha, 19 Mzwanele Zito, 20 Henco Beukes, 21 Raegan Oranje, 22 Theo Boshoff, 23 Ederies Arendse, 24 Ashlon Davids, 25 Enver Brandt, 26 Tijde Visser.

Cheetahs: 15 Clayton Blommetjies, 14 Duncan Saal, 13 Evardi Boshoff, 12 Howard Mnisi, 11 Tian Meyer, 10 Reinhardt Fortuin, 9 Ruan Pienaar (captain), 8 Gideon van Wyk, 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 Jean Droste, 5 Rynier Bernardo, 4 Victor Sekekete, 3 Aranos Coetzee, 2 Wilmar Arnoldi, 1 Cameron Dawson.
Replacements: 16 Janus Venter, 17 Aluluthu Tshakweni, 18 Hencus van Wyk, 19 Reinier Viljoen, 20 Luan Potgieter, 21 Mihlali Mosi, 22 David Brits, 23 Cohen Jasper.

Date: Saturday, June 26
Venue: Griqua Park, Kimberley
Kick-off: 13.00 (11.00 GMT)
Referee: AJ Jacobs
Assistant referees: Local
TMO: Cwengile Jadezweni

[Sards]

This match moved to wednesday 30/6/2021 19h00

Sat 3/7/2021 WP vs Sharks 14h30

Giving the Sharks more time to isolate for their BIL match

I might get to start liking these Wednesday Evening matches.

Not sure ouboet, Blake and sandy agree

[OomStruisbaai]

Eks bly WP speel nie vanaand teen die Bulle nie

[OomStruisbaai]

Dink net wat Jimmy Stonehouse kan doen met Jake White of Sean Everett se budget.

[handyman]

Dink net wat Jimmy Stonehouse kan doen met Jake White of Sean Everett se budget.

Ek kry hom jammer vanaand. Top, top coach.

[OomStruisbaai]

Dink net wat Jimmy Stonehouse kan doen met Jake White of Sean Everett se budget.

Ek kry hom jammer vanaand. Top, top coach.

Hulle gaan moeilik geklop word in Nelspruit.

[Chilli]

Dink net wat Jimmy Stonehouse kan doen met Jake White of Sean Everett se budget.

Ek kry hom jammer vanaand. Top, top coach.

Hulle gaan moeilik geklop word in Nelspruit.

One wonders what he has or hasn't done to not be given a stint as a coach at a big Union?

[OomStruisbaai]

Gideon van wyk making his debut for the Cheetahs today.


Same stoffasie as Evan Roos.

[OomStruisbaai]

Varsity Cup the big feeder for next level CC this year.

FS coach

“A lot of guys that played in the Varsity Cup will get a taste of the Currie Cup, and then there are some of our U20 players like Reinier Viljoen and Ruan Potgieter.”

[OomStruisbaai]

Boland Dames beat Blue Bulls Cows

Clinical Boland Dames overpower Bulls in Pretoria

The Boland Dames made better use of their opportunities as they beat the Blue Bulls Women by 21-0 in their Women’s Premier Division clash in Pretoria on Friday afternoon.

With their backs to the wall for most of the first half, the visitors switched to a higher gear after the break and punished the Bulls to record their fourth win of the season and move back into third position on the log.

Their second half display would have given the Bolanders a lot of belief with the end of the season in sight, as they held firm in the first half before unleashing some great attacking play after the break.

The Dames led 3-0, courtesy of a Demi Nel penalty goal, after 40 minutes, which was totally against the run of play and mainly due to the Blue Bulls Women’s inability to make their numerous scoring opportunities count.

The home team were camped in the Boland for almost the entire first half, with a slew of penalties against the visitors – including two yellow cards – but the Bulls simply could not capitalise on this, through a combination of good defence by the visitors, and mistakes by the hosts.

Built on the back of a strong scrum, Boland scored 13 unanswered points in the third quarter, with Nel adding another penalty goal before brilliant tries by Springbok Women's midfielder Aphiwe Ngwevu and Abegail Jantjies (hooker) after total attacking dominance by the visitors.

The Blue Bulls had a few more opportunities late in the match, but they still could not make any inroads and were kept scoreless for the first time this season, while the Bolanders rubbed salt into the wounds with an injury time try by Snare Vuso (lock).

Scorers:

Blue Bulls Women 0

Boland Dames 21 (3) – Tries: Aphiwe Ngwevu, Abegail Jantjies, Snare Vuso. Penalty goals: Demi Nel (2).

[OomStruisbaai]

Die ref is shocking

[handyman]

Kom Kwaste, klap die blikore.

[OomStruisbaai]

I always like Banda since his Kings. 7-3 ht

[OomStruisbaai]

BIL would have love to play at Griekwa Stadium

[OomStruisbaai]

Gideon van Wyk score his first of many for Cheetahs after AJ Jacobs have been ran over