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Booing the ref and officials is very poor. Chiefs crowd the worst crowd in NZ rugby.

I've just reminded myself of the reason I don't watch post game presentations. Fuck me that was cringeworthy.

Really good match, excellent final spectacle. Well done Saders

How good is Tamaiti Williams? How much better is he going to get? Dang.

Congrats to the Crusaders. Good final. To be honest I stop posting, the ref bitching is so tiredsome. Cant we ban posters doing this?

Gumboot wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:18 am How good is Tamaiti Williams? How much better is he going to get? Dang.

He is so much fitter this season.

Gumboot wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:18 am How good is Tamaiti Williams? How much better is he going to get? Dang.

He's got the makings of a bloody good one!

Watching it again today and the Crusaders defense from 77'00" to the final penalty at 79'05" was stunning. Chiefs had all the possession but the red wall forced them back from 5m inside the Crusaders half to inside the Chiefs 22m.

Accurate and relentless.

Kiwias wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:51 am Watching it again today and the Crusaders defense from 77'00" to the final penalty at 79'05" was stunning. Chiefs had all the possession but the red wall forced them back from 5m inside the Crusaders half to inside the Chiefs 22m.

Accurate and relentless.

That's true, but it is a lot easier to defend when the kick option has been taken away which, for the Chiefs, by that stage it had. They had no choice but to run it from a static starting point.

Which isn't to downplay the Crusaders' defense at all, just pointing out that the Chiefs were in a situation that required them to be predictable.

Certain Navigator wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 9:29 am

Kiwias wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:51 am Watching it again today and the Crusaders defense from 77'00" to the final penalty at 79'05" was stunning. Chiefs had all the possession but the red wall forced them back from 5m inside the Crusaders half to inside the Chiefs 22m.

Accurate and relentless.

That's true, but it is a lot easier to defend when the kick option has been taken away which, for the Chiefs, by that stage it had. They had no choice but to run it from a static starting point.

Which isn't to downplay the Crusaders' defense at all, just pointing out that the Chiefs were in a situation that required them to be predictable.

Watching a defensive effort relentlessly drive an attacking team backwards through phase after phase is a rare and special thing, regardless of who the teams are. 30m or so is sensational. In the dying moments of a brutal and pulsating final?

Savour it.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/25/supe ... e-threats/


Spiritual guardians?

Chilli wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:19 am https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/25/supe ... e-threats/


Spiritual guardians?

Not from Waikato, they are not. That is the ass-pit of supporters. And Enz.

Certain Navigator wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 9:29 am

Kiwias wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:51 am Watching it again today and the Crusaders defense from 77'00" to the final penalty at 79'05" was stunning. Chiefs had all the possession but the red wall forced them back from 5m inside the Crusaders half to inside the Chiefs 22m.

Accurate and relentless.

That's true, but it is a lot easier to defend when the kick option has been taken away which, for the Chiefs, by that stage it had. They had no choice but to run it from a static starting point.

Which isn't to downplay the Crusaders' defense at all, just pointing out that the Chiefs were in a situation that required them to be predictable.

The situation in which the Chiefs found themselves was one created by the Crusaders and one that the Crusaders then exploited ruthlessly. It was play worthy of a champion team.

I enjoyed reading this article giving a great insight into the detail referees go into in their post-match analysis of their own performance. Nice gesture by McMillan too.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/ ... r_trending

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:01 am I enjoyed reading this article giving a great insight into the detail referees go into in their post-match analysis of their own performance. Nice gesture by McMillan too.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/ ... r_trending

That's very classy from McMillan...

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:43 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:01 am I enjoyed reading this article giving a great insight into the detail referees go into in their post-match analysis of their own performance. Nice gesture by McMillan too.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/ ... r_trending

That's very classy from McMillan...

It would have been classier had he not casually dismissed the booing after the match but I guess better late than never.

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:53 am

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:43 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:01 am I enjoyed reading this article giving a great insight into the detail referees go into in their post-match analysis of their own performance. Nice gesture by McMillan too.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/ ... r_trending

That's very classy from McMillan...

It would have been classier had he not casually dismissed the booing after the match but I guess better late than never.

A really classy move would be going public with his support and walking back talk of criticising the referees. Coaches and players should be leading by example and the Chiefs contingent have fallen short of the mark on that.

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:53 am

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:43 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:01 am I enjoyed reading this article giving a great insight into the detail referees go into in their post-match analysis of their own performance. Nice gesture by McMillan too.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/ ... r_trending

That's very classy from McMillan...

It would have been classier had he not casually dismissed the booing after the match but I guess better late than never.

Hey, I've seen other coaches make hour long videos criticising every aspect of the ref's performance..

Has any coach ever gone public in support of a ref in this way? And criticised their own fans?

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:48 pm

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:53 am

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:43 am

That's very classy from McMillan...

It would have been classier had he not casually dismissed the booing after the match but I guess better late than never.

Hey, I've seen other coaches make hour long videos criticising every aspect of the ref's performance..

Has any coach ever gone public in support of a ref in this way? And criticised their own fans?

Probably not but how many coaches have you heard passively approving the booing of refs by their team's fans?

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:22 pm

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:48 pm

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:53 am

It would have been classier had he not casually dismissed the booing after the match but I guess better late than never.

Hey, I've seen other coaches make hour long videos criticising every aspect of the ref's performance..

Has any coach ever gone public in support of a ref in this way? And criticised their own fans?

Probably not but how many coaches have you heard passively approving the booing of refs by their team's fans?

Probably not, but then again some old-schoolers are cool with booing opposition goal-kickers. Something I fucking hate with a passion.

Like head high impacts and the need to protect against long term injury, I think there's a line in the sand to be drawn here...

regardless of who you support, hate or want to see burn in hell. referees and ARs need to be protected from the sort of abuse we are seeing more and more. It's not right, it's long been held as opposite to the values of the game and it's really easy to take a stand against.

Coaches and players could easily take the initiative on that and join in some sort of unequivocal statement condemning the sort of bullshit we've seen this week.

All of them. Now.

And while we're playing games another war is claiming thousands of young lives...

Gumboot wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:22 pm

Grandpa wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:48 pm

Hey, I've seen other coaches make hour long videos criticising every aspect of the ref's performance..

Has any coach ever gone public in support of a ref in this way? And criticised their own fans?

Probably not but how many coaches have you heard passively approving the booing of refs by their team's fans?

Probably not, but then again some old-schoolers are cool with booing opposition goal-kickers. Something I fucking hate with a passion.

I am old-school and prefer the crowd to be silent for goal kicks. I hate when crowds boo the opposition goal kicker at least as much as you do.

Kiwias wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:14 am

Gumboot wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:22 pm

Probably not but how many coaches have you heard passively approving the booing of refs by their team's fans?

Probably not, but then again some old-schoolers are cool with booing opposition goal-kickers. Something I fucking hate with a passion.

I am old-school and prefer the crowd to be silent for goal kicks. I hate when crowds boo the opposition goal kicker at least as much as you do.

Yep, didn't happen back in the day...coz it just felt off. But times change.

Kiwias wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:14 am

Gumboot wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:22 pm

Probably not but how many coaches have you heard passively approving the booing of refs by their team's fans?

Probably not, but then again some old-schoolers are cool with booing opposition goal-kickers. Something I fucking hate with a passion.

I am old-school and prefer the crowd to be silent for goal kicks. I hate when crowds boo the opposition goal kicker at least as much as you do.

It still is in the NH mostly, especially Ireland.

It’s quite embarrassing seeing the booing. Brings shame.

Gumboot wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:40 am And while we're playing games another war is claiming thousands of young lives...

The Tory War on Wales? Absolute tragedy.

A full page ad in the Christchurch Press today...