NPR

Slick wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:26 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:18 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:09 pm

Your boy has been the starting 10 for the last year. England won fuck all. He had a decent run, he got a fair chance and he fucked it. He's a very talented player but he's not a player that leads. And he's flaky when under the cosh. I like him but he's not the answer at 10 for England.

Deep down you know this too.

It’s not the right time for this

I’d be more concerned by both Slade and Genge trying a goose step while at full trundle, and Marcus doing one in a straight line in acres of space to absolutely no one. It’s a plague worse than the whooping and hollering (though someone did do a knee slide after Baxter’s try).

Punter15 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:35 pm 15 - 33 FT in the U20s

Scotland woke up too late, after Ireland bolted out to a TBP in the first ~25 minutes, but played some nice stuff in the 2nd half, & some promising signs for Scotland. For Ireland it was more like what they needed last weekend, & will need for the games to come.

Pack got pumped in the first half making it very difficult for the backs, and defence was not working. The same preplanned mass subs is annoying as Murray is clearly not reading the game. Brightest sparks were both scrum halves - Cowan is like George Horne and Paterson has some wheels (though is a wee bit too selfish). If Urwin could place kick it would have looked a lot more respectable. Logan not up to the hype.

The England pack will be looking forward to this…

His try was very, very good, & as you say he really showed that he has proper pace, & to me, a bit more impressive, real composure, as the last kick was a bit of a horrlicks, but he didn't panic, he fell beyond the try line, & when the ball rolled in, just dabbed it down.

He could have buggered that up in twenty different ways, but he showed a top two inches that you can't train in a player; they either have it or they don't, & he has it !

Yeeb wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:35 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:11 pm

Yeeb wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 6:34 pm I understand why everyone loves beating England:
We are shit
We are slow
We are badly coached
We have few world class players
We bang on about winning the RWC and numerous other finals
We have Marcus smith

And yet we pull wins like that out of the hat.

Very undeserved, awful game, but a funny end for England

What kind of weak shit is this?

Mate cmon , there isn’t a single thing there that’s not true . One of France’s top ten biggest chokes I’ve seen

Pretty much everything is wrong...weird self flagellation..are you on the Chagos negotiation team?

France making mistakes doesnt count as a choke on a wet night with plenty of handling errors.

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:04 pm

Punter15 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:35 pm 15 - 33 FT in the U20s

Scotland woke up too late, after Ireland bolted out to a TBP in the first ~25 minutes, but played some nice stuff in the 2nd half, & some promising signs for Scotland. For Ireland it was more like what they needed last weekend, & will need for the games to come.

Pack got pumped in the first half making it very difficult for the backs, and defence was not working. The same preplanned mass subs is annoying as Murray is clearly not reading the game. Brightest sparks were both scrum halves - Cowan is like George Horne and Paterson has some wheels (though is a wee bit too selfish). If Urwin could place kick it would have looked a lot more respectable. Logan not up to the hype.

The England pack will be looking forward to this…

His try was very, very good, & as you say he really showed that he has proper pace, & to me, a bit more impressive, real composure, as the last kick was a bit of a horrlicks, but he didn't panic, he fell beyond the try line, & when the ball rolled in, just dabbed it down.

He could have buggered that up in twenty different ways, but he showed a top two inches that you can't train in a player; they either have it or they don't, & he has it !

I think Cowan’s all round game is better and the changes to the pack helped Paterson, but either way, it’s one area not to worry about.

Punter15 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:01 pm

Slick wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:26 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:18 pm



Your boy has been the starting 10 for the last year. England won fuck all. He had a decent run, he got a fair chance and he fucked it. He's a very talented player but he's not a player that leads. And he's flaky when under the cosh. I like him but he's not the answer at 10 for England.

Deep down you know this too.

It’s not the right time for this

I’d be more concerned by both Slade and Genge trying a goose step while at full trundle, and Marcus doing one in a straight line in acres of space to absolutely no one. It’s a plague worse than the whooping and hollering (though someone did do a knee slide after Baxter’s try).

Didn't that allow Smith to take contact on his own terms and get well over the gain line against two tacklers...?

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:22 pm

Yeeb wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:35 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:11 pm

What kind of weak shit is this?

Mate cmon , there isn’t a single thing there that’s not true . One of France’s top ten biggest chokes I’ve seen

Pretty much everything is wrong...weird self flagellation..are you on the Chagos negotiation team?

France making mistakes doesnt count as a choke on a wet night with plenty of handling errors.

Exactly this.

Also - it doesn’t matter. We beat one of the top 4 in the world in the last minute, the manner of doing so is irrelevant.

My god what an atmosphere as well, childhood memories of being there for Luger’s try vs Australia have a nice addition

Slick wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:29 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:26 pm So with the minnow games out of the way, it's on to the main event tomorrow. I believe it's 2017 since the Scots got a win in this fixture and a few of those were down to them shooting themselves in the foot. Our luck will run out at some stage.

Could it be tomorrow with the home advantage and Irelands caretaker coach?

Suspect some of this is behind the thinking of bringing in POM and dropping Baird to the bench.

We all know how the Scots love Peter

... if there's a Scottish YC, then it's 10 -1 on that POM causes the Scottish player to lose the plot

I think I’m the only person in Scotland that quite likes the guy

When he retires, everybody is going to be in agreement with what an awesome guy he is.

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:15 am

Slick wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:29 pm

We all know how the Scots love Peter

... if there's a Scottish YC, then it's 10 -1 on that POM causes the Scottish player to lose the plot

I think I’m the only person in Scotland that quite likes the guy

When he retires, everybody is going to be in agreement with what an awesome guy he is.

Not everybody.

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:15 am

Slick wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:29 pm

We all know how the Scots love Peter

... if there's a Scottish YC, then it's 10 -1 on that POM causes the Scottish player to lose the plot

I think I’m the only person in Scotland that quite likes the guy

When he retires, everybody is going to be in agreement with what an awesome guy he is.

IIRC Neil Warnock hopes that his tribute after he dies will be crowds singing ‘Warnock is a wanker’, I feel POM feels much the same outside of Ireland

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:20 am

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:15 am

Slick wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:49 pm

I think I’m the only person in Scotland that quite likes the guy

When he retires, everybody is going to be in agreement with what an awesome guy he is.

Not everybody.

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:22 pm

Yeeb wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:35 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:11 pm

What kind of weak shit is this?

Mate cmon , there isn’t a single thing there that’s not true . One of France’s top ten biggest chokes I’ve seen

Pretty much everything is wrong...weird self flagellation..are you on the Chagos negotiation team?

France making mistakes doesnt count as a choke on a wet night with plenty of handling errors.

27 French handling errors is what is being quoted by Rugbypass. That is an utterly incompetent level for professional rugby players to be making no matter the conditions.

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:29 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:26 pm So with the minnow games out of the way, it's on to the main event tomorrow. I believe it's 2017 since the Scots got a win in this fixture and a few of those were down to them shooting themselves in the foot. Our luck will run out at some stage.

Could it be tomorrow with the home advantage and Irelands caretaker coach?

Suspect some of this is behind the thinking of bringing in POM and dropping Baird to the bench.

We all know how the Scots love Peter

... if there's a Scottish YC, then it's 10 -1 on that POM causes the Scottish player to lose the plot

There is a school of thought on the Glasgow board that Matt Fagerson was selected over Jamie Ritchie for this weekend's game solely for the fact that he really got under POM's skin in the URC semi final and played him off Thomond Park.

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:41 am

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:29 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:26 pm So with the minnow games out of the way, it's on to the main event tomorrow. I believe it's 2017 since the Scots got a win in this fixture and a few of those were down to them shooting themselves in the foot. Our luck will run out at some stage.

Could it be tomorrow with the home advantage and Irelands caretaker coach?

Suspect some of this is behind the thinking of bringing in POM and dropping Baird to the bench.

We all know how the Scots love Peter

... if there's a Scottish YC, then it's 10 -1 on that POM causes the Scottish player to lose the plot

There is a school of thought on the Glasgow board that Matt Fagerson was selected over Jamie Ritchie for this weekend's game solely for the fact that he really got under POM's skin in the URC semi final and played him off Thomond Park.

A sight almost as glorious as the Loftus win the week after.

But to stay on topic, that Glasgow URC win means I'm a lot more sanguine about whatever Scotland do in the 6N this year - that URC trophy has put a lot of rugby happiness in my reservoir to nullify the inevitable Scotland 6N choke / underperformance/ ridiculous bad luck.

Peter O’Mahoney about to give his annual ‘lads it’s Scotland’ team talk

Static, passive Scots defence. They’re going to get gaped.

That was some set of phases

If Scotland are going to defend like this it’ll be a very very long afternoon

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:22 pm

Yeeb wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:35 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:11 pm

What kind of weak shit is this?

Mate cmon , there isn’t a single thing there that’s not true . One of France’s top ten biggest chokes I’ve seen

Pretty much everything is wrong...weird self flagellation..are you on the Chagos negotiation team?

France making mistakes doesnt count as a choke on a wet night with plenty of handling errors.

Nah, you need to take your rose tinted glasses off of you think that was good England performance or we weren’t very lucky . The odd dropped ball, not a choke - but after repeat drops under no real pressure you could see a few French heads drop and start to over think stuff, there was one break when they were in but tried some Harlem globetrotters shit and messed it up (to a curry turnover iirc). And, being French, when the heads started to drop, the errors increased. They were ahead most of the game, and choked.

And if you are debating whether England under Borthwick are not shit and slow , then there isn’t really much point continuing this verbal discourse.
There are plenty of fair weather England fans warbling on about what a great game it was yesterday on social media , reality is that it was keystone cops rugby and utter shit quality bar a couple of decent tries . The only refreshing thing was that for first time in ages a competitive close game with an unlikely result was not caused by a contentious card or ref decison, but by multiple mutual incompetence spacfest, yin yang Marcus & torqs mate ramos

That was a bit too easy.

Oxbow wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:09 pm That was a bit too easy.

It's always the same

Shouldn't that have been a pen to scotland for sealing off instead of a scrum

sturginho wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:13 pm Shouldn't that have been a pen to scotland for sealing off instead of a scrum

Not until the 74th minute

Irish lineout is a thing of ugly but Scottish back play fiasco makes up for that.

Scotland appear to be imploding already.

That is phenomenally stupid

Should've been a pen try.

Ir3land will score now anyway

That was clearly a deliberate attempt to take out Nash by Van Der Merwe. Didn't look like he'd get the ball given its trajectory, so no pen try.

Insane_Homer wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:20 pm Should've been a pen try.

Yeah I reckon so , daft play

MUCH better Scottish defence now

Yeeb wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:22 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:20 pm Should've been a pen try.

Yeah I reckon so , daft play

Massive let off tbh

So 3 best Scots off already….

Christ. The one time Graham plays without a scrum cap his own player nuts him.

And that's the game

That’s a big head on head impact. There’s no way they’d pass a HIA assessment surely.

That’s really really nasty, and a total freak accident

TheNatalShark wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:29 pm And that's the game

To be honest.....

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:30 pm That’s a big head on head impact. There’s no way they’d pass a HIA assessment surely.

If he was sparked out then the HIA doesn't even come into play, its just straight into the return to play protocols

Prendergast looks some player.

Is that Mrs Andy Farrell ?
Tidy !