NPR

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:39 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:35 pm

I’m pretty sure I’d be throwing quite a few punches if I came across these cunts

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:45 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:32 pm That’s quite amazing. A teacher in scouseland has not had COVID (or have I got that wrong?)

You’ve got it right, two teachers in the house, two school age children and not a sniff of it, even when the missus had it.

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:45 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:32 pm That’s quite amazing. A teacher in scouseland has not had COVID (or have I got that wrong?)

You’ve got it right, two teachers in the house, two school age children and not a sniff of it, even when the missus had it.

Cases have continued to hit record highs due to the highly infectious Omicron variant, which officials earlier on Wednesday said now makes up 90% of all community cases in England.

Over the last seven days, 914,723 people have tested positive for Covid across the UK.

And a total of 10,462 people were in hospital with Covid in England as of Wednesday morning, figures from NHS England show.

This is up 48% from a week ago and is the highest number of admissions since 1 March.

Not all the patients in hospital will have been admitted for Covid - latest data suggests about three in 10 have the virus but were admitted to hospital for something else.

Another 57 deaths were recorded in the UK within 28 days of a positive test.

It should come as no surprise that cases continue to rise and that's translating into more people ending up in hospital.

This is likely to continue for some weeks yet - but it's important to look beyond the raw numbers.
The rapid jump in people in hospital - up 2,000 in England in two days - is likely to be partly down to a drop in people being discharged.

Last Christmas, the numbers leaving hospital more than halved as it is more difficult to discharge over the festive period.

It means there could be hundreds in hospital who have recovered from Covid but not yet left.

The proportion in hospital for what is known as an incidental admission is also growing. These are people who are being treated for something else, and just happen to have Covid.

Last week they accounted for nearly a third of cases. However, the numbers who are seriously unwell with Covid are still going up.

Hospital numbers though are continuing to rise more slowly than cases, once again showing the Omicron variant is leading to milder illness.

And there are signs infection levels in London, which was hit by Omicron first, may have already peaked.
If that is the case and the trajectory is repeated elsewhere, it could mean the burden on the NHS peaking at half the level seen last winter.

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:45 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:32 pm That’s quite amazing. A teacher in scouseland has not had COVID (or have I got that wrong?)

You’ve got it right, two teachers in the house, two school age children and not a sniff of it, even when the missus had it.

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:07 pm

Cases have continued to hit record highs due to the highly infectious Omicron variant, which officials earlier on Wednesday said now makes up 90% of all community cases in England.

Over the last seven days, 914,723 people have tested positive for Covid across the UK.

And a total of 10,462 people were in hospital with Covid in England as of Wednesday morning, figures from NHS England show.

This is up 48% from a week ago and is the highest number of admissions since 1 March.

Not all the patients in hospital will have been admitted for Covid - latest data suggests about three in 10 have the virus but were admitted to hospital for something else.

Another 57 deaths were recorded in the UK within 28 days of a positive test.

It should come as no surprise that cases continue to rise and that's translating into more people ending up in hospital.

This is likely to continue for some weeks yet - but it's important to look beyond the raw numbers.
The rapid jump in people in hospital - up 2,000 in England in two days - is likely to be partly down to a drop in people being discharged.

Last Christmas, the numbers leaving hospital more than halved as it is more difficult to discharge over the festive period.

It means there could be hundreds in hospital who have recovered from Covid but not yet left.

The proportion in hospital for what is known as an incidental admission is also growing. These are people who are being treated for something else, and just happen to have Covid.

Last week they accounted for nearly a third of cases. However, the numbers who are seriously unwell with Covid are still going up.

Hospital numbers though are continuing to rise more slowly than cases, once again showing the Omicron variant is leading to milder illness.

And there are signs infection levels in London, which was hit by Omicron first, may have already peaked.
If that is the case and the trajectory is repeated elsewhere, it could mean the burden on the NHS peaking at half the level seen last winter.

Grandpa wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:36 pm

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:45 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:32 pm That’s quite amazing. A teacher in scouseland has not had COVID (or have I got that wrong?)

You’ve got it right, two teachers in the house, two school age children and not a sniff of it, even when the missus had it.

Are you tested quite regularly and know you have never had it in the last two years... even asymptomatically... Or are you just saying you haven't been sick?

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:22 pm

Grandpa wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:36 pm

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:45 pm

You’ve got it right, two teachers in the house, two school age children and not a sniff of it, even when the missus had it.

Are you tested quite regularly and know you have never had it in the last two years... even asymptomatically... Or are you just saying you haven't been sick?

Tested a minimum once a week.

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:41 pm Isn't that just a small % of a large number though.

How many of those kids are actually in with respiratory difficulty due to covid and how many are in for something else testing positive incidentally, given the high case rates?

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:23 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:41 pm Isn't that just a small % of a large number though.

How many of those kids are actually in with respiratory difficulty due to covid and how many are in for something else testing positive incidentally, given the high case rates?

I doubt they're in hospital, because they like the food !

Any extra beds being taken over the New Year isn't good; & part of the problem with Covid positives; is the need to segregate the infected; from the uninfected; & that means splitting staff, & scarce resources.

Grandpa wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:27 pm

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:22 pm

Grandpa wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:36 pm

Are you tested quite regularly and know you have never had it in the last two years... even asymptomatically... Or are you just saying you haven't been sick?

Tested a minimum once a week.

You should offer your body to science... the "Sefton Covid Cage" could be the saviour of mankind...

charltom wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:28 am

Grandpa wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:27 pm

sefton wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:22 pm

Tested a minimum once a week.

You should offer your body to science... the "Sefton Covid Cage" could be the saviour of mankind...

Twice a week for me (and a recent week of every day) and still not a hint.

That's still quite common amongst colleagues.

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:34 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:23 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:41 pm Isn't that just a small % of a large number though.

How many of those kids are actually in with respiratory difficulty due to covid and how many are in for something else testing positive incidentally, given the high case rates?

I doubt they're in hospital, because they like the food !

Any extra beds being taken over the New Year isn't good; & part of the problem with Covid positives; is the need to segregate the infected; from the uninfected; & that means splitting staff, & scarce resources.

Don't be a prick. It was a genuine question.

Grandpa wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:34 am

charltom wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:28 am

Grandpa wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:27 pm

You should offer your body to science... the "Sefton Covid Cage" could be the saviour of mankind...

Twice a week for me (and a recent week of every day) and still not a hint.

That's still quite common amongst colleagues.

Interesting. As you'd think by now it would be virtually impossible to escape exposure unless in solitary confinement... so there must be something about certain people that makes them very difficult to infect?

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:50 am

Sorry; but this last few years, it's been really hard to separate the, "genuine questions", from the people; "just asking questions" !

My point is that it's ultimately irrelevant, whether or not the primary cause of their admission to hospital is because of Covid; or incidental; the staff of the hospital, have to juggle limited resources either way; & pediatric resources are always in short supply.

petej wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:28 am An interesting question for me is how does zero COVID china deal with omicron? The winter Olympics aren't that far away.

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:23 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:41 pm Isn't that just a small % of a large number though.

How many of those kids are actually in with respiratory difficulty due to covid and how many are in for something else testing positive incidentally, given the high case rates?

I doubt they're in hospital, because they like the food !

Any extra beds being taken over the New Year isn't good; & part of the problem with Covid positives; is the need to segregate the infected; from the uninfected; & that means splitting staff, & scarce resources.

dpedin wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:41 am

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:23 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:41 pm Isn't that just a small % of a large number though.

How many of those kids are actually in with respiratory difficulty due to covid and how many are in for something else testing positive incidentally, given the high case rates?

I doubt they're in hospital, because they like the food !

Any extra beds being taken over the New Year isn't good; & part of the problem with Covid positives; is the need to segregate the infected; from the uninfected; & that means splitting staff, & scarce resources.

Don't have detailed info but it would seem strange to see such a huge increase in numbers without covid being the reason for the admission. I imagine that when they are admitted the clinician has defined the reason for admission as covid and these cases have been coded as such?

The proportion in hospital for what is known as an incidental admission is also growing. These are people who are being treated for something else, and just happen to have Covid.

Last week they accounted for nearly a third of cases. However, the numbers who are seriously unwell with Covid are still going up.

Uncle fester wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:18 pm Test came back positive so that's me confined to barracks for a while. I seem to have recovered from the unwellness that prompted me to take antigen tests in the first place but I'm not telling work that!

Calculon wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:23 am It's a political problem for the CCP. At the moment they've locked down Xi'an, a city of some 13 million people, because of a delta outbreak. The city is sealed off causing major economic distruptions and misery to the inhabitants. If Omicron breaks the zero covid policy, which I hope it does for selfish reasons, the Chinese government will play up the milder nature of the variant and suppress news of any adverse impact. I've written this before on here, but.... the CCP has spent two years trumpeting to the Chinese public how much better they have dealt with the pandemic than western democrat governments. The Chinese public have lapped it this up, so how the CCP manage the pivot will be interesting to see.

Calculon wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:23 am It's a political problem for the CCP. At the moment they've locked down Xi'an, a city of some 13 million people, because of a delta outbreak. The city is sealed off causing major economic distruptions and misery to the inhabitants. If Omicron breaks the zero covid policy, which I hope it does for selfish reasons, the Chinese government will play up the milder nature of the variant and suppress news of any adverse impact. I've written this before on here, but.... the CCP has spent two years trumpeting to the Chinese public how much better they have dealt with the pandemic than western democrat governments. The Chinese public have lapped it this up, so how the CCP manage the pivot will be interesting to see.

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:10 pm My wife’s employer is really struggling with this (hospitality). Apparently PCR tests are taking 6 days to get results and no drop ins available in Edinburgh so having to take the decision to rely on LFT and honesty from the staff to keep going.

They are really great employers but just can’t afford to shut down. Feel for them trying to do the best by everyone

Slick wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:39 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:10 pm My wife’s employer is really struggling with this (hospitality). Apparently PCR tests are taking 6 days to get results and no drop ins available in Edinburgh so having to take the decision to rely on LFT and honesty from the staff to keep going.

They are really great employers but just can’t afford to shut down. Feel for them trying to do the best by everyone

The stupid bint manager decided to go to work last night, with my wife, despite having symptoms (justified it by saying she wore 2 masks!) and has now tested positive. The stupid bint

TheFrog wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:10 am

Grandpa wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:34 am

charltom wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:28 am

Twice a week for me (and a recent week of every day) and still not a hint.

That's still quite common amongst colleagues.

Interesting. As you'd think by now it would be virtually impossible to escape exposure unless in solitary confinement... so there must be something about certain people that makes them very difficult to infect?

Wife got COVID last month, 2 days of light fever (38C /100.5F) and feeling like she had sinusitis. I was attending her and we kept on sharing the same bed because she did not seem to have COVID symptoms i.e none of the loss of taste/smell, chills, aches etc... apart from that "sinusitis". Went to see the doctor after the weekend who confirmed the sinusitis diagnostic and told her testing wasn't needed.

She took a test nonetheless to be on the safe side and it came back positive... tested again and confirmed positive. Myself and our 3 kids tested all negative. Wife isolated in her room for 10 days (until she got a negative test), I had 3 tests over that period and was negative each time. Kids got 2 tests over the period too and remained negative.

Ymx wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:17 am I think the data was in fact suggesting a peak in the next week or two.

Some peoples interpretation of the data is suggesting London has already peaked. And that hospitalisations will soon drop there. Although it will increase across the country. That article I quoted suggests half the hospitalisations as the peak of previously.

However… yes … Schools. There will be another peak shortly. But expect that to more affect infections than hospitalisations.

One of the key stats probably not being discussed and one which has now had time to start being affected. Deaths worth now keeping an eye on post Christmas once data settles.

Slick wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:39 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:10 pm My wife’s employer is really struggling with this (hospitality). Apparently PCR tests are taking 6 days to get results and no drop ins available in Edinburgh so having to take the decision to rely on LFT and honesty from the staff to keep going.

They are really great employers but just can’t afford to shut down. Feel for them trying to do the best by everyone

The stupid bint manager decided to go to work last night, with my wife, despite having symptoms (justified it by saying she wore 2 masks!) and has now tested positive. The stupid bint

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:54 pm

Ymx wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:17 am I think the data was in fact suggesting a peak in the next week or two.

Some peoples interpretation of the data is suggesting London has already peaked. And that hospitalisations will soon drop there. Although it will increase across the country. That article I quoted suggests half the hospitalisations as the peak of previously.

However… yes … Schools. There will be another peak shortly. But expect that to more affect infections than hospitalisations.

One of the key stats probably not being discussed and one which has now had time to start being affected. Deaths worth now keeping an eye on post Christmas once data settles.

I feel England should have a two week "fire-break" from 2-14 Jan 2022. Back to Level 5, shut down everything including schools (don't bother with Zoom lessons) and let's all hunker down - we do anyway in January! Give the virus a chance to burn itself out again, numbers to drop after the Xmas hug-a-thon and allow the NHS staff to recover a bit. No tourists allowed in. If you're on holiday, you can come home and must go straight home.