So, coronavirus...

[Slick]

Balls, it has entered the Slick household - 5 year old tested negative this morning, positive this evening.

He’s feeling a bit rough poor lad.

Going to be very hard not to catch it off him I'm afraid.

My Cork counterpart misunderstood the rules re isolation.
One of his boys tested positive on antigen last weekend. Didn't get antigen till Tuesday. His wife started feeling unwell on Tuesday but didn't get PCR until yesterday. He thought his other boys would come out of isolation today but he forgot that close contacts isolate for longer than the people who actually have COVID.

On top of that, his missus got her positive result today so the clock is reset for all of them.

Lesson is to get the PCR test quickly.

I thought that he isolates but as long as we stay negative we don’t have to? Seems a bit crazy but that’s how I understood it

[Glaston]

I had this sent to me today.

As discussed on the GB News channel on 19/1/22 in an interview with Professor Karol Sikora, ex WHO Head of Cancer.

The UK Office for National Statistics has stated that to date there have been 17,371 UK deaths solely from Covid.

The average age of death from Covid was
82.5 years, which is over the average UK age of death generally.

On average 700,000 people die every year in the UK

The clear implication is that the pandemic had no effect and all measures (including vaccination) were unjustified.

How do I respond? Are the figures accurate?

As I understand it, Sweden did not implement any measures to protect their population, but I haven't heard anything on whether they were justified.

I suppose I should be looking this stuff up for myself, but there is so much shit out there and I wouldn't mind getting opinions from the bored.

I'm not sure you can really contest such material. The people spreading it are not going to be convinced otherwise and the people receptive to taking in such material, it's going to be difficult to convince them of the difference between real and pseudo-science.

The figures are from a FOI to the ONS
No matter who is mentioning this you cant dispute the figures.

[CM11]

Balls, it has entered the Slick household - 5 year old tested negative this morning, positive this evening.

He’s feeling a bit rough poor lad.

Going to be very hard not to catch it off him I'm afraid.

My Cork counterpart misunderstood the rules re isolation.
One of his boys tested positive on antigen last weekend. Didn't get antigen till Tuesday. His wife started feeling unwell on Tuesday but didn't get PCR until yesterday. He thought his other boys would come out of isolation today but he forgot that close contacts isolate for longer than the people who actually have COVID.

On top of that, his missus got her positive result today so the clock is reset for all of them.

Lesson is to get the PCR test quickly.

I thought that he isolates but as long as we stay negative we don’t have to? Seems a bit crazy but that’s how I understood it

The rules keep on changing here so presuming same there it's no wonder everyone is confused. What we have to do is based on vaccination status. But there are scenarios where all you have to do is make sure you wear a proper mask and do regular antigen.

[Rinkals]

Balls, it has entered the Slick household - 5 year old tested negative this morning, positive this evening.

He’s feeling a bit rough poor lad.

All the best with it mate, for you and family.

Thanks mate

Yes, hope he recovers fully, without issues, and that the rest of yours avoid it altogether.

[Slick]

All the best with it mate, for you and family.

Thanks mate

Yes, hope he recovers fully, without issues, and that the rest of yours avoid it altogether.

Thanks Rinkals. The boy is much better today so just awaiting the incoming for the rest of us!

[Ymx]

Lots of runny nose and sneezing?

[Uncle fester]

Balls, it has entered the Slick household - 5 year old tested negative this morning, positive this evening.

He’s feeling a bit rough poor lad.

Going to be very hard not to catch it off him I'm afraid.

My Cork counterpart misunderstood the rules re isolation.
One of his boys tested positive on antigen last weekend. Didn't get antigen till Tuesday. His wife started feeling unwell on Tuesday but didn't get PCR until yesterday. He thought his other boys would come out of isolation today but he forgot that close contacts isolate for longer than the people who actually have COVID.

On top of that, his missus got her positive result today so the clock is reset for all of them.

Lesson is to get the PCR test quickly.

I thought that he isolates but as long as we stay negative we don’t have to? Seems a bit crazy but that’s how I understood it

Sorry, should have been clearer. It's his other children who have their isolation clock reset.

[Uncle fester]

So Ireland has lifted most restrictions. Will be carnage in the pubs.

[Ymx]

Just browsing NZ news, Cindy is doing a sudden press conference.

Likely it’s breached NZ border. Probably for the best for them. Trapping delta in and keeping omicron out isnt really a great plan.

Christ on a bike

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

[Jb1981]

The presser is on now … and we (all of NZ) are moving to red from tonight. It’s not a lockdown, but more restrictions. There are multiple cases in Nelson who had been at a wedding in Auckland so they suspect unknown transmission was happening there.

[Uncle fester]

So Ireland has lifted most restrictions. Will be carnage in the pubs.

[fishfoodie]

The presser is on now … and we (all of NZ) are moving to red from tonight. It’s not a lockdown, but more restrictions. There are multiple cases in Nelson who had been at a wedding in Auckland so they suspect unknown transmission was happening there.

Well if you're going to host a super spreader event; I can't think of anything better than a Wedding. That & schools; & I think you can look forward to Omicron running thru your entire population over the next couple of months.

The Lesson from Europe is that Omicron isn't blocked by anything; & as the German Minister said; by the end of this; you either vaccinated; infected, & but okay; or dead !

Thank your lucky stars you've used your gap to get vaccinated !

[Jb1981]

The presser is on now … and we (all of NZ) are moving to red from tonight. It’s not a lockdown, but more restrictions. There are multiple cases in Nelson who had been at a wedding in Auckland so they suspect unknown transmission was happening there.

Well if you're going to host a super spreader event; I can't think of anything better than a Wedding. That & schools; & I think you can look forward to Omicron running thru your entire population over the next couple of months.

The Lesson from Europe is that Omicron isn't blocked by anything; & as the German Minister said; by the end of this; you either vaccinated; infected, & but okay; or dead !

Thank your lucky stars you've used your gap to get vaccinated !

I’m meant to be at a rescheduled wedding in a couple of weeks. I am boostered and ready to go but am in two minds about whether I want to make the now 100 guest list cut off. A weekend away without needing to attend a wedding which is more of my wife’s friends than mine doesn’t sound too bad.

[fishfoodie]

The presser is on now … and we (all of NZ) are moving to red from tonight. It’s not a lockdown, but more restrictions. There are multiple cases in Nelson who had been at a wedding in Auckland so they suspect unknown transmission was happening there.

Well if you're going to host a super spreader event; I can't think of anything better than a Wedding. That & schools; & I think you can look forward to Omicron running thru your entire population over the next couple of months.

The Lesson from Europe is that Omicron isn't blocked by anything; & as the German Minister said; by the end of this; you either vaccinated; infected, & but okay; or dead !

Thank your lucky stars you've used your gap to get vaccinated !

I’m meant to be at a rescheduled wedding in a couple of weeks. I am boostered and ready to go but am in two minds about whether I want to make the now 100 guest list cut off. A weekend away without needing to attend a wedding which is more of my wife’s friends than mine doesn’t sound too bad.

It's always tough to anticipate how things will go with Covid; but if the the stuff you guys have been saying about the general state of your Health service is accurate; you're in the same position we've gone thru; & you'll see a lot of additional hospitalizations; but your ICU cases won't be too bad; but it may be that elective surgery etc; will be cancelled.

I those circumstances; the Government may well ratchet up the lockdown in a week, & then again on two weeks; until those numbers stabilize.

I'd be talking to the hotels etc; & asking what they can do if the Government says nothing goes ahead, or they say only; say 25 people can attend. They all want to get paid; & everyone wants to attend, but what we all want, isn't whats guaranteed to happen.

[Quade]

I think it’s fair and reasonable to blame NSW for the current NZ outbreak.

[Guy Smiley]

I those circumstances; the Government may well ratchet up the lockdown in a week, & then again on two weeks; until those numbers stabilize.

What lockdown?

We won't lockdown again. We've hit over 90% vaccinated and we're into booster shots now. They held it back as long as they could getting those preparations as ready as possible and now we're going to see what happens when it gets a run on.

Like Western Australia, the general population which has largely been protected from that scenario will have to deal with the reality of Covid en masse. The numbers will rocket up, plateau and then fall away, people will get sick and take time off and the govt will cover lost earnings up to a point.

We're about as ready as we could be and I think we'll come through it without too much damage or loss of life.

[Ymx]

This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

[Jb1981]

This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

It true, I think. It was detailed in the article below but the explanation of timing isn’t that clear - at least not to me.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/c ... or-24-days

[Guy Smiley]

This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

It true, I think. It was detailed in the article below but the explanation of timing isn’t that clear - at least not to me.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/c ... or-24-days

https://covid19.govt.nz/testing-and-tra ... -contacts/

What you need to do
Whether you are vaccinated or not, you need to:

stay home and self-isolate from others for 10 days from your last contact with the case
get a test for COVID-19 straight away, on day 5, and on day 8 after your last contact with the case
get another test straight away if you develop COVID-19 symptoms.

[convoluted]

So Pfizer is currently attempting to develop a vaccine that will be effective against Omicron.
Meanwhile, Jackboot Jac is insisting that NZers take the Pfizer booster before Omicron swamps the streets with runny stuff from out of the nose.

The contradiction in those above two sentences is jarring.
I need an explanation from you nerdish "Follow the Science' wokes to help me get my head around the absurdity.

[Guy Smiley]

nerdish "Follow the Science' wokes

[Slick]

We had a letter from the school on Thursday saying that there had been 9 cases reported the previous day across the school

Over the weekend there has been 11 cases (including the boy) in my sons class of 20 alone. Crazy thing

[C69]

We had a letter from the school on Thursday saying that there had been 9 cases reported the previous day across the school

Over the weekend there has been 11 cases (including the boy) in my sons class of 20 alone. Crazy thing

Ramping up herd immunity and making the disease non reportable like the flu etc.
I've go half a day of VCOD conversations with clinical staff on Thursday.

I suspect the Govt will U turn on mandatory vaccines in England for NHS patient facing staff.

[Mahoney]

So Pfizer is currently attempting to develop a vaccine that will be effective against Omicron.
Meanwhile, Jackboot Jac is insisting that NZers take the Pfizer booster before Omicron swamps the streets with runny stuff from out of the nose.

The contradiction in those above two sentences is jarring.
I need an explanation from you nerdish "Follow the Science' wokes to help me get my head around the absurdity.

Reality isn't binary. Things can work better than other things.

3 doses of the existing vaccines have been proven to be highly effective at preventing serious illness from Omicron. It is less effective at preventing Omicron with symptoms, and less effective still at preventing transmission (though it does reduce transmission).

A vaccine targeted specifically at Omicron would be better at preventing transmission with fewer doses - giving 3 staggered doses of the existing vaccines takes 6+ months and is obviously 3x the logistical effort of a single dose.

[Slick]

So Pfizer is currently attempting to develop a vaccine that will be effective against Omicron.
Meanwhile, Jackboot Jac is insisting that NZers take the Pfizer booster before Omicron swamps the streets with runny stuff from out of the nose.

The contradiction in those above two sentences is jarring.
I need an explanation from you nerdish "Follow the Science' wokes to help me get my head around the absurdity.

Reality isn't binary. Things can work better than other things.

3 doses of the existing vaccines have been proven to be highly effective at preventing serious illness from Omicron. It is less effective at preventing Omicron with symptoms, and less effective still at preventing transmission (though it does reduce transmission).

A vaccine targeted specifically at Omicron would be better at preventing transmission with fewer doses - giving 3 staggered doses of the existing vaccines takes 6+ months and is obviously 3x the logistical effort of a single dose.

I'm glad someone could be arsed to reply to that ludicrous post.

[JM2K6]

Even I got halfway through a reply and decided I couldn't be bothered

[MungoMan]

This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

If omicron sinks its teeth in deep and the 24 day period is a thing, it will get very ugly very fast as regards getting any work done.

[Ymx]

Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

[petej]

So Pfizer is currently attempting to develop a vaccine that will be effective against Omicron.
Meanwhile, Jackboot Jac is insisting that NZers take the Pfizer booster before Omicron swamps the streets with runny stuff from out of the nose.

The contradiction in those above two sentences is jarring.
I need an explanation from you nerdish "Follow the Science' wokes to help me get my head around the absurdity.

Reality isn't binary. Things can work better than other things.

3 doses of the existing vaccines have been proven to be highly effective at preventing serious illness from Omicron. It is less effective at preventing Omicron with symptoms, and less effective still at preventing transmission (though it does reduce transmission).

A vaccine targeted specifically at Omicron would be better at preventing transmission with fewer doses - giving 3 staggered doses of the existing vaccines takes 6+ months and is obviously 3x the logistical effort of a single dose.

It is a damn shame so much of the initial media on the vaccines was on transmission rather than hospitalisations and death.

[Mahoney]

Yes, though that ends at 15th December - be interesting what the period 25th December -> 16th Jan looks like. Daily deaths with covid more than doubled over that period compared to the weeks previously, and all reports beforehand suggested that 1 or 2 jabs would be substantially less effective against omicron than 3.

Stats on deaths of covid (covid cited as a cause of death on the death cert) are still only available up to 27th December. Patients in mechanical ventilation beds has actually gently declined through the omicron period despite patients in hospital with covid more than doubling; on the face of it that seems like a sign that it's not been as serious, though I guess there could be other explanations.

[Guy Smiley]

This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

If omicron sinks its teeth in deep and the 24 day period is a thing, it will get very ugly very fast as regards getting any work done.

24 days is a misrepresentation.

I even posted a link to the relevant page on the govt's Covid information site outlining the measures but yourmum seems determined to stick to the alternative facts approach.

[mat the expat]

This is a good article:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/da ... e-variants

[CM11]

Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

1 month after recovery or last positive PCR? Where are you again? Omicron both times?

We've something going through the house again a month later too but no one testing positive on antigen.

It's not sustainable for everyone to isolate as per advice if this is going to reinfect easily every month!

[Ymx]

Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

1 month after recovery or last positive PCR? Where are you again? Omicron both times?

We've something going through the house again a month later too but no one testing positive on antigen.

It's not sustainable for everyone to isolate as per advice if this is going to reinfect easily every month!

First one was lat flow and backed up by PCR.

This one is just lat flow so far. Probably too soon for PCR.

It was late December last time, omicron symptoms, and same as now. Sneezing with runny nose.

[CM11]

Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

1 month after recovery or last positive PCR? Where are you again? Omicron both times?

We've something going through the house again a month later too but no one testing positive on antigen.

It's not sustainable for everyone to isolate as per advice if this is going to reinfect easily every month!

First one was lat flow and backed up by PCR.

This one is just lat flow so far. Probably too soon for PCR.

It was late December last time, omicron symptoms, and same as now. Sneezing with runny nose.

[Torquemada 1420]

Long but an interesting listen

[Lady P]

Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

[Slick]

Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

Our 5 year old had a pretty bad day one but then bounced back immediately , although I thought I heard him wheezing a bit today after some exercise.

Unfortunately day 6 was today and his LFT was still positive so off school until next week now

Amazingly, none of the rest of us have picked it up

[Lady P]

Same, up at the crack of dawn on Saturday but still testing positive

[JM2K6]

IMO remembering any detail from the Lions tour is grounds for a ban.