Panic buying morons

[Sandstorm]

Sods law my 3 year deal on gas and electricity ends today. FML. Next cheapest is £35 a month more.

Also isn't everyone's tanks full by now?

Mine does too. We're with Shell Energy. Who are you with and are you going to the variable rate now or signing up for fixed again?

Sticking with variable, I'm with Octopus, it's higher but not as high as fixed which is more than 10p a unit more plus extra on the standing nearly 100% increase for elec. What they said on the news tonight was that most fixed tariffs now are more than the price cap so if your likely to hit that then there's no point.

Going fixed now would be loony. The market will shake out the weak suppliers, the crazy global politics will change focus and prices will drop again soon.

[tabascoboy]

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol. Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire.

When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him. "The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed. "I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said.

"When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58767230

[fishfoodie]

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol. Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire.

When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him. "The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed. "I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said.

"When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58767230

PML

[Niegs]

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol. Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire.

When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him. "The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed. "I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said.

"When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58767230

Even when it's a real petrol truck, has that actually worked? I'd have thought you'd end up waiting ages to get any (unless that's what they're prepared to do).

I imagine them also wasting a whole lot just slowly following them out of their way, too. Part of me can see the need, given I'm in Canada and we kind of all rely on our vehicles, but surely most of y'all have public transit and short distances that could be traversed by bike, etc.?

[sockwithaticket]

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol. Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire.

When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him. "The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed. "I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said.

"When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58767230

Even when it's a real petrol truck, has that actually worked? I'd have thought you'd end up waiting ages to get any (unless that's what they're prepared to do).

I imagine them also wasting a whole lot just slowly following them out of their way, too. Part of me can see the need, given I'm in Canada and we kind of all rely on our vehicles, but surely most of y'all have public transit and short distances that could be traversed by bike, etc.?

Forecourts around me have been closed when tankers are re-fuelling the pumps, though I don't suppose it's for all that long in the context of people queueing for a few hours to fill their tank, so perhaps it is worth doing? What do I know? I'm a pedestrian and train traveller.

[Slick]

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol. Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire.

When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him. "The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed. "I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said.

"When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58767230

Even when it's a real petrol truck, has that actually worked? I'd have thought you'd end up waiting ages to get any (unless that's what they're prepared to do).

I imagine them also wasting a whole lot just slowly following them out of their way, too. Part of me can see the need, given I'm in Canada and we kind of all rely on our vehicles, but surely most of y'all have public transit and short distances that could be traversed by bike, etc.?

Can you imagine how awful it would be to maybe share a car to work with a couple of colleagues? Terrible stuff

[Paddington Bear]

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol. Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire.

When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him. "The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed. "I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said.

"When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58767230

Even when it's a real petrol truck, has that actually worked? I'd have thought you'd end up waiting ages to get any (unless that's what they're prepared to do).

I imagine them also wasting a whole lot just slowly following them out of their way, too. Part of me can see the need, given I'm in Canada and we kind of all rely on our vehicles, but surely most of y'all have public transit and short distances that could be traversed by bike, etc.?

People are emotionally attached to their car, it’s very silly.

Also people are lazy af and the idea of a mile walk is unthinkable to most of the country

[SaintK]

Screeeeech! All last week "We will not need to involve the army though they are on standby"

Almost 200 military personnel, including 100 drivers, will be deployed from Monday to provide temporary support as part of the government’s wider action to further relieve pressure on petrol stations and address the shortage of HGV drivers.

Screeeeech! "Emergency visas for foreign HGV drivers will only be available until Christmas Eve

New immigration measures will allow 300 fuel drivers to arrive immediately and stay until the end of March, while 100 army drivers will take to the roads from Monday, the government announced late on Friday.

How many more u-turns to come?

[The Druid]

This is what happens when the army steps in.

[BnM]

Walking home from flu jab passed asda station, absolutely fine. No OOS, 2 cars waiting. However, the price board wasn't lit so no idea of the prices but online it says 131.7 and 132.7.

[SaintK]

Walking home from flu jab passed asda station, absolutely fine. No OOS, 2 cars waiting. However, the price board wasn't lit so no idea of the prices but online it says 131.7 and 132.7.

Petrol Retailer's Association saying things improving in the SW and from the S Midlands upwards but still major problems in London and SE!
Avge prtices I've seen down here are £1.41 to £1.44

[Ymx]

I did a top up for the first time yesterday.

No queue for me. But I had driven past and clocked this one (texaco) earlier, noting the other one (shell ) on the road did have a queue. And the Sainsburys one was closed off.

[Slick]

Walking home from flu jab passed asda station, absolutely fine. No OOS, 2 cars waiting. However, the price board wasn't lit so no idea of the prices but online it says 131.7 and 132.7.

Petrol Retailer's Association saying things improving in the SW and from the S Midlands upwards but still major problems in London and SE!
Avge prtices I've seen down here are £1.41 to £1.44

No surprise that the areas with the most selfish idiots have the problems

[tabascoboy]

[Ymx]

Turkey is a rubbish roasted meat.

Only good in mince form.

[tabascoboy]

Yep, never understood the obsession with turkey for Christmas, it's just tradition I guess like with Thanksgiving, plus that one bird feeds the 5 000 over the festivities. Always had goose when the family was still around - far superior.

[Ymx]

I’ll be pleased with the excuse to forgo it in place of a chicken or two.

[tabascoboy]

Think I'd be more than content with a curry TBH

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Yep, never understood the obsession with turkey for Christmas, it's just tradition I guess like with Thanksgiving, plus that one bird feeds the 5 000 over the festivities. Always had goose when the family was still around - far superior.

For many the tradition is you do turkey, my family included. And that's the way it is even if yes goose is much nicer. The other thing about the goose is you get much less meat for a given size of carcass, and if you happen to want left-overs for cold cuts on Boxing Day, for some number of sandwiches, to make a turkey and ham pie, to make a turkey curry or whatever else was also part of the Christmas tradition then you need a huge oven to fit a big enough goose, even more so if you have 10+ for lunch on Christmas Day. Between tradition, practicality and cost it's not surprising the goose isn't as common. We're expecting to cook two turkeys this year given the number coming for lunch and to have enough leftovers, although the 2nd will be cooked Boxing Day and will be a smaller bird and done without stuffings., that would have to be 3-4 geese to make up the same number of meals.

We now tend to do a roast goose with different trimmings around 3-4 weeks before Christmas depending on when people are available, and that also tends to be the last roast before Christmas when normally we do a roast each weekend

[tabascoboy]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards

"There's about 120,000 pigs sat on farm currently that should have already been slaughtered, butchered, be within the food chain and eaten by now," said Wilson.

"It is getting to the point where we are saying to government if we don't get some help soon we're going to have to look at culling pigs on farm, because that's our only option now," she said, adding "there are some producers that have already had the conversation."

Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

[Lobby]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards

"There's about 120,000 pigs sat on farm currently that should have already been slaughtered, butchered, be within the food chain and eaten by now," said Wilson.

"It is getting to the point where we are saying to government if we don't get some help soon we're going to have to look at culling pigs on farm, because that's our only option now," she said, adding "there are some producers that have already had the conversation."

Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

Here you go, steak, eggs and cheese are better for you than the processed food we have been encouraged to eat over the last 70 years

Over the past 70 years the public health establishment in Anglophone countries has issued a number of diet rules, their common thread being that the natural ingredients populations all around the world have eaten for millennia – meat, dairy, eggs and more – and certain components of these foods, notably saturated fat, are dangerous for human health.

The consequences of these diet ordinances are all around us: 60% of Britons are now overweight or obese, and the country’s metabolic health has never been worse.

Government-led lack of trust in the healthfulness of whole foods in their natural forms encouraged us to buy foods that have been physically and chemically modified, such as salt-reduced cheese and skimmed milk, supposedly to make them healthier for us.

No wonder that more than 50% of the food we eat in the UK is now ultra-processed.

The grave effects of this relatively recent departure from time-honoured eating habits comes as no surprise to those of us who never swallowed government “healthy eating” advice in the first place, largely on evolutionary grounds.

Is mother nature a psychopath? Why would she design foods to shorten the lifespan of the human race?

And time is vindicating. This bankrupt postwar nutrition paradigm is being knocked for six, time and again, by up-to-date, high quality research evidence that reasserts how healthy traditional ingredients and eating habits are.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/s ... lth-advice

There are other very good reasons for reducing the amount of meat in our diets, but replacing meat with ultra-processed ready meals, or meat substitutes is not the way to do it.

[Raggs]

Get turkey right and it's nice and moist and at least as nice as chicken for flavour. Being huge just means you can then feed plenty more people.

[Ymx]

Get turkey right and it's nice and moist and at least as nice as chicken for flavour. Being huge just means you can then feed plenty more people.

No, it just doesn’t cook as evenly and as juicy as you can cook chicken. 175 degrees Fahrenheit throughout.

You always end up with outer most flesh being 185 plus degrees.

Unless you use a sous vide, as a phase 1, which I have done. But it still ruins the skin and fat. Even after butter basting and grilling it.

[I like neeps]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards

"There's about 120,000 pigs sat on farm currently that should have already been slaughtered, butchered, be within the food chain and eaten by now," said Wilson.

"It is getting to the point where we are saying to government if we don't get some help soon we're going to have to look at culling pigs on farm, because that's our only option now," she said, adding "there are some producers that have already had the conversation."

Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

Here you go, steak, eggs and cheese are better for you than the processed food we have been encouraged to eat over the last 70 years

Over the past 70 years the public health establishment in Anglophone countries has issued a number of diet rules, their common thread being that the natural ingredients populations all around the world have eaten for millennia – meat, dairy, eggs and more – and certain components of these foods, notably saturated fat, are dangerous for human health.

The consequences of these diet ordinances are all around us: 60% of Britons are now overweight or obese, and the country’s metabolic health has never been worse.

Government-led lack of trust in the healthfulness of whole foods in their natural forms encouraged us to buy foods that have been physically and chemically modified, such as salt-reduced cheese and skimmed milk, supposedly to make them healthier for us.

No wonder that more than 50% of the food we eat in the UK is now ultra-processed.

The grave effects of this relatively recent departure from time-honoured eating habits comes as no surprise to those of us who never swallowed government “healthy eating” advice in the first place, largely on evolutionary grounds.

Is mother nature a psychopath? Why would she design foods to shorten the lifespan of the human race?

And time is vindicating. This bankrupt postwar nutrition paradigm is being knocked for six, time and again, by up-to-date, high quality research evidence that reasserts how healthy traditional ingredients and eating habits are.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/s ... lth-advice

There are other very good reasons for reducing the amount of meat in our diets, but replacing meat with ultra-processed ready meals, or meat substitutes is not the way to do it.

This is one of the most laughably stupid sentences I've ever read. There's a huge amount of things in this world growing naturally that if you ate would kill you or make you very ill.

[Raggs]

Get turkey right and it's nice and moist and at least as nice as chicken for flavour. Being huge just means you can then feed plenty more people.

No, it just doesn’t cook as evenly and as juicy as you can cook chicken. 175 degrees Fahrenheit throughout.

You always end up with outer most flesh being 185 plus degrees.

Unless you use a sous vide, as a phase 1, which I have done. But it still ruins the skin and fat. Even after butter basting and grilling it.

All I can say is I've cooked a very large turkey (fed about 14, maybe more), and I nailed it. Luck or judgement I don't know, but the skin was crispy, the meat was cooked and juicy.

[TB63]

Get turkey right and it's nice and moist and at least as nice as chicken for flavour. Being huge just means you can then feed plenty more people.

No, it just doesn’t cook as evenly and as juicy as you can cook chicken. 175 degrees Fahrenheit throughout.

You always end up with outer most flesh being 185 plus degrees.

Unless you use a sous vide, as a phase 1, which I have done. But it still ruins the skin and fat. Even after butter basting and grilling it.

Always do mine on the rotisserie spit in the BBQ, 160 for 4 hours, only have 2 outer burners on so no direct heat under the budgie, followed by a hot blast with all burners on. Perfect everytime..

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards

"There's about 120,000 pigs sat on farm currently that should have already been slaughtered, butchered, be within the food chain and eaten by now," said Wilson.

"It is getting to the point where we are saying to government if we don't get some help soon we're going to have to look at culling pigs on farm, because that's our only option now," she said, adding "there are some producers that have already had the conversation."

Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

So don't eat meat alternatives, just eat vegetables, pulses and the like and make your own meals. And really processed food is bad whether it's meat or veggie,

And not everyone groans at turkey over the Christmas period, I look forward to it. Not because it's probably the only time in the year I eat turkey but because the tradition is enjoyable, and a well cooked turkey is actually pretty nice, just don't skimp on the butter and basting

[tabascoboy]

Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means a health nut - just like to think I have a balanced diet with the occasional foray into naughty but nice. And if I'm going to have a once a year treat I'd rather it was pheasant of partridge or such. Each to their own

[Paddington Bear]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards



Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

Here you go, steak, eggs and cheese are better for you than the processed food we have been encouraged to eat over the last 70 years

Over the past 70 years the public health establishment in Anglophone countries has issued a number of diet rules, their common thread being that the natural ingredients populations all around the world have eaten for millennia – meat, dairy, eggs and more – and certain components of these foods, notably saturated fat, are dangerous for human health.

The consequences of these diet ordinances are all around us: 60% of Britons are now overweight or obese, and the country’s metabolic health has never been worse.

Government-led lack of trust in the healthfulness of whole foods in their natural forms encouraged us to buy foods that have been physically and chemically modified, such as salt-reduced cheese and skimmed milk, supposedly to make them healthier for us.

No wonder that more than 50% of the food we eat in the UK is now ultra-processed.

The grave effects of this relatively recent departure from time-honoured eating habits comes as no surprise to those of us who never swallowed government “healthy eating” advice in the first place, largely on evolutionary grounds.

Is mother nature a psychopath? Why would she design foods to shorten the lifespan of the human race?

And time is vindicating. This bankrupt postwar nutrition paradigm is being knocked for six, time and again, by up-to-date, high quality research evidence that reasserts how healthy traditional ingredients and eating habits are.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/s ... lth-advice

There are other very good reasons for reducing the amount of meat in our diets, but replacing meat with ultra-processed ready meals, or meat substitutes is not the way to do it.

This is one of the most laughably stupid sentences I've ever read. There's a huge amount of things in this world growing naturally that if you ate would kill you or make you very ill.

But the central point - that our diets have evolved around certain foods for a reason seems to have a case behind it?

[Raggs]

Our diets may have evolved to use those foods, but that was when we had a life expectancy that was far shorter. There's no evolutionary pressure on not dying at 60 of a heart attack, if no one survives beyond 45 due to being eaten by tigers etc.

[I like neeps]

Here you go, steak, eggs and cheese are better for you than the processed food we have been encouraged to eat over the last 70 years

Over the past 70 years the public health establishment in Anglophone countries has issued a number of diet rules, their common thread being that the natural ingredients populations all around the world have eaten for millennia – meat, dairy, eggs and more – and certain components of these foods, notably saturated fat, are dangerous for human health.

The consequences of these diet ordinances are all around us: 60% of Britons are now overweight or obese, and the country’s metabolic health has never been worse.

Government-led lack of trust in the healthfulness of whole foods in their natural forms encouraged us to buy foods that have been physically and chemically modified, such as salt-reduced cheese and skimmed milk, supposedly to make them healthier for us.

No wonder that more than 50% of the food we eat in the UK is now ultra-processed.

The grave effects of this relatively recent departure from time-honoured eating habits comes as no surprise to those of us who never swallowed government “healthy eating” advice in the first place, largely on evolutionary grounds.

Is mother nature a psychopath? Why would she design foods to shorten the lifespan of the human race?

And time is vindicating. This bankrupt postwar nutrition paradigm is being knocked for six, time and again, by up-to-date, high quality research evidence that reasserts how healthy traditional ingredients and eating habits are.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/s ... lth-advice

There are other very good reasons for reducing the amount of meat in our diets, but replacing meat with ultra-processed ready meals, or meat substitutes is not the way to do it.

This is one of the most laughably stupid sentences I've ever read. There's a huge amount of things in this world growing naturally that if you ate would kill you or make you very ill.

But the central point - that our diets have evolved around certain foods for a reason seems to have a case behind it?

Not really, no. We eat absolutely nothing like anyone even 100 years ago. Factory farming only started about 100 years ago and took a while to kick off for example. And the animals and veg we eat are a lot different with the amount of mutations we've done to both to increase availability. And is the health factor not tied to we eat a huge amount more calories now as the cost of food production is pushed right down as well? We eat what is convenient and always have done - people in different areas have different capacity to deal with foods look at people in Asia and dairy - their bodies can't handle it as well as us because they haven't been eating/drinking it. Dairy a corner stone of our diets isn't natural to others.

I probably agree with the article ultra processed food and low fat is probably a nonsense answered by moderation. However to say it's healthy because it's natural is just a bananas thing to say when a not insignificant amount of naturally occuring plants/mushrooms absolutely would kill us.

[yermum]

But the central point - that our diets have evolved around certain foods for a reason seems to have a case behind it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

"Even if we can agree that some things are natural and some are not, what follows from this? The answer is: nothing. There is no factual reason to suppose that what is natural is good (or at least better) and what is unnatural is bad (or at least worse)."

[Thor Sedan]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards

"There's about 120,000 pigs sat on farm currently that should have already been slaughtered, butchered, be within the food chain and eaten by now," said Wilson.

"It is getting to the point where we are saying to government if we don't get some help soon we're going to have to look at culling pigs on farm, because that's our only option now," she said, adding "there are some producers that have already had the conversation."

Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

Yep - but most people go down the route of vegan for moral reasons rather than health reasons (although there is a good case for a sensible vegan diet being pretty good for you).

I am sitting here perplexed by the notion that a lot of people are 'outraged' that these poor piglets are being culled - yet have no issue with pigs being slaughtered on a daily basis. I would imagine that the death is pretty similar from the pigs POV anyway - regardless where its corpse ends up.

[fishfoodie]

It's also the tradition that everyone groans at the prospect of yet more turkey by NYD...

Maybe Christmas alone is a bit sad but the freedom of choice to have whatever meal you want is compensation.

The shortage of meat is starting to have a bit of an effect now due to the shortage of butchers with reports that a mass cull of pigs is on the cards

"There's about 120,000 pigs sat on farm currently that should have already been slaughtered, butchered, be within the food chain and eaten by now," said Wilson.

"It is getting to the point where we are saying to government if we don't get some help soon we're going to have to look at culling pigs on farm, because that's our only option now," she said, adding "there are some producers that have already had the conversation."

Not a bad time to consider going veggie, though I noted reports that many vegan / veggie ready meals or just meat alternatives are ultra processed and so no better for your health than meat...

Yep - but most people go down the route of vegan for moral reasons rather than health reasons (although there is a good case for a sensible vegan diet being pretty good for you).

I am sitting here perplexed by the notion that a lot of people are 'outraged' that these poor piglets are being culled - yet have no issue with pigs being slaughtered on a daily basis. I would imagine that the death is pretty similar from the pigs POV anyway - regardless where its corpse ends up.

There's also as much of case that a Vegan diet is unnatural for our species, as demonstrated by the fact that if you restrict yourself to the locally available vegetables; you'll probably need to take vitamin supplements to avoid scurvy etc.

If you want to know what humans are supposed to eat; step in front of a mirror & open your mouth, wide

You'll hopefully see that you have incisors (designed to rip & cut meat), & molars (designed to grind vegetables), so we've evolved to be omnivores.

[Thor Sedan]

There's also as much of case that a Vegan diet is unnatural for our species, as demonstrated by the fact that if you restrict yourself to the locally available vegetables; you'll probably need to take vitamin supplements to avoid scurvy etc.

If you want to know what humans are supposed to eat; step in front of a mirror & open your mouth, wide

You'll hopefully see that you have incisors (designed to rip & cut meat), & molars (designed to grind vegetables), so we've evolved to be omnivores.

So only vegans take vitamin supplements? Have I got that right?

Our bodies aren't necessarily perfect for being omnivores. We rely heavily on food being processed and cooked in a certain way so it doesn't hurt us. Evolution does lead us to being omnivores from a physical sense - but evolution also works regarding empathy and compassion. With the ability to now survive and thrive without eating meat people can ask themselves if they have to eat meat.

I asked myself if I wanted to be part of an industry that relies on the death and suffering of animals - and I said no. If you ask yourself the same question and decide you can live with it.....well that is your decision. I think you are making the wrong decision - but isn't life great that people can decided to do things differently.

Also - check out the teeth of a gorilla.....you tell me what their diet consists of.

[Tichtheid]

Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism are mostly vegetarian religions, accounting for hundreds of millions of people across Asia.

I seem to recall that some of the longest-living people are from that part of the world, overall the western life expectancy is probably higher due to health services being better funded, but there is something to be said for at least cutting out a lot of crap meat from our diets.

[yermum]

and again just because we adapted to eat a certain diet doesn't mean that it is the best one for us...

in the 10,000 + years since the first agricultural revolution there has been plenty of time for further evolutionary adaption to food intake.

I don't have a particular dietary axe to grind, folk who go on about Paleo diets or vegan ones seem to appeal to the same naturalistic fallacy.

back in the primordial days if you lived to 30 you were doing well.

[FalseBayFC]

Turkey is a rubbish roasted meat.

Only good in mince form.

I spent a November/December many years ago on a Turkey farm in Berkshire. Killing and processing thousands of turkeys and geese. We lived in mobile homes with half a dozen kiwi backpackers. It was like one long alcoholic blur. Then the travellers arrived to do the plucking. The kiwi boys immediately began going after their women. Within one day there was a full scale brawl going on in the plucking shed. A big maori chap called Jason mowing down gypsy fellows. I am still Facebook friends with him 28 years later.

[Tichtheid]

Turkey is a rubbish roasted meat.

Only good in mince form.

I spent a November/December many years ago on a Turkey farm in Berkshire. Killing and processing thousands of turkeys and geese. We lived in mobile homes with half a dozen kiwi backpackers. It was like one long alcoholic blur. Then the travellers arrived to do the plucking. The kiwi boys immediately began going after their women. Within one day there was a full scale brawl going on in the plucking shed. A big maori chap called Jason mowing down gypsy fellows. I am still Facebook friends with him 28 years later.

I lived in a similar set up on a farm in West Sussex, the farmer supplied farm services across the county - tractor driving, milking, shearing, fencing (me) and general farm labour.
We mostly had Kiwis, but also a few Aussies (we had a couple called Kylie and a Danny, collectively nicknamed the Minogues) and a couple of South Africans.

Also, when I worked in the Pyrenees I fenced on a Monastery cork plantation, the harvest was done by Portuguese Gypsies who travelled north with the season each year.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I am sitting here perplexed by the notion that a lot of people are 'outraged' that these poor piglets are being culled - yet have no issue with pigs being slaughtered on a daily basis. I would imagine that the death is pretty similar from the pigs POV anyway - regardless where its corpse ends up.

Slaughter for the purpose of providing food is simply different to slaughter so we don't have to pay to feed them. It's a waste, an upsetting one, and it damages many farms economically. That the pigs die either way isn't the whole of it