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tabascoboy wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:17 am
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tabascoboy wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:47 am

Apparently "4th June" is very strongly censored by Chinese authorities and the day is often referred to as 35th May instead
All a bit odd, surely that just draws more attention to it?
Well authoritarian governments don't appear to think like that, I guess
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The Spirit of May 35th
By Yu Hua

You might think May 35th is an imaginary date, but in China it’s a real one. Here, where references to June 4 — the date of the Tiananmen incident of 1989 — are banned from the Internet, people use “May 35th” to circumvent censorship and commemorate the events of that day.

Earlier this year I visited Taiwan, where my book China in Ten Words had just been released. “Why can’t this book be published in mainland China,” I was asked, “when your novel Brothers can?”

That’s the difference between fiction and nonfiction: Although both books are about contemporary China, Brothers touches on things obliquely and so slips through the net, whereas China in Ten Words, by straight talking, goes beyond the pale.

“Brothers does a May 35th,” I explained, “and China in Ten Words is more like June 4th.”

To express oneself in May 35th terms is standard practice these days. According to the latest figures, there are 457 million Internet users in China, and 303 million Chinese can access the Web on their cellphones. It’s a big job to keep all these onliners in line, and the government’s most effective control mechanism is to designate certain words as unacceptable and simply prohibit their use on the Internet.

So people who hanker to express their own views find that their voices are muffled. Internet servers — automated censors, you might call them — are assiduous in blocking any and all commentary that involves these red-flagged phrases.

I once tried to post online a literary essay of mine. Though it made no reference whatsoever to politics, an error message kept popping up. Innocently, I assumed I must have miswritten a character or two, and marveled that technology could detect typos so easily. But after careful proofreading and revision of the odd phrase here and there, that frosty error message continued to appear. Finally I realized that the text had violated several taboos. Though widely scattered in different paragraphs, the offending words left the automated censors with little doubt that I was indulging in political dissent.

We have no way of knowing how many words have been blacklisted, or which once-banned words can now be used. Sometimes you can manage to avoid all the taboos and post your opinion, but if it is couched in too explicit an idiom, it will get deleted almost right away.

So we adapt. With the Chinese government so bent on promoting a “harmonious society,” Internet users slyly tailor the phrase for their own purposes. If someone writes, “Be careful you don’t get harmonized,” what they mean is “Be careful you don’t get shut down” or “Be careful you don’t get arrested.” Harmonize has to be the word most thoroughly imbued with the May 35th spirit. Officials are aware, of course, of its barbed meaning on the Internet, but they can hardly ban it, because to do so would be to outlaw the “harmonious society” they are plugging. Harmony has been hijacked by the public.

Such is China’s Internet politics. Practically everyone has mastered the art of May 35th expression, and I myself am no slouch.

I’ve had a go at broaching freedom-of-expression issues. I once posted an article referring to a talk I gave in Munich. The post said: “I was asked: ‘Is there freedom of expression in China?’ ‘Of course there is,’ I replied. ‘In any country,’ I went on, ‘freedom of expression is relative. In Germany you can curse the chancellor, but you wouldn’t dare curse your neighbor. In China we can’t curse our premier, but we’re free to curse the guy next door.’ ”

On the concentration of power in China, I wrote: “In Taiwan I told a reporter, ‘You need to wear gloves when you shake hands with politicians here, because they are always out canvassing and shaking hands with people. You don’t need gloves on the mainland, because our politicians never have to press the flesh. You won’t find many germs on their fingers.”

Since the first remark seems to emphasize that everything is relative and the other appears to focus on matters of hygiene, both were posted on the Internet without incident. My readers know what I’m getting at.

I have always written much as I please in the May 35th mode, and for that I have the fictional form to thank, since fiction is not overtly political and by its nature lends itself to May 35th turns of phrase. Writing in the June 4th mode, as I did in China in Ten Words, was a departure from my normal practice.

The question asked most often in Taiwan was, “If you had an 11th word to describe China, what would it be?”

“Freedom,” I answered.

What I meant by that, of course, was not the familiar June 4th sort of freedom, but this more recondite May 35th kind.

May 35th freedom is an art form. To evade censorship when expressing their opinions on the Internet, Chinese people give full rein to the rhetorical functions of language, elevating to a sublime level both innuendo and metaphor, parody and hyperbole, conveying sarcasm and scorn through veiled gibes and wily indirection.

Surely our language has never been as rich and vital as it is today. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder, if one day the June 4th kind of freedom were to arrive, would we still be so creative, so ingenious?

Perhaps we can describe China’s Internet politics as a cat-and-mouse game. But you should not imagine China’s Internet mice to be as mighty as the mouse in a Disney cartoon, nor are our government flunkies as dumb as a cartoon cat. When our Internet mice taunt their adversaries, they make sure to have a bolt-hole right next to them. In China today, more and more people want to hear the truth but not many dare to speak it. And so, even if our Internet mice play only a game of wits with the government cats and do not engage in an action sport, it still remains a source of comfort to us — because we don’t have the June 4th kind of freedom, only the May 35th variety.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/opin ... ua-28.html
Orwell really was a good reader of society.

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A virgin birth?? I accept that no other crocodiles have been in the enclosure but staff have surely been in there.

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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:48 am

Some years ago I was in Wong Kei and the two girls next to us tried to do a runner. The speed at which a dozen large Chinese gentlemen with kitchen implements appeared was quite impressive.
God, that place was awesome - loved how, if you were on a date, they'd put you on a group table :grin:
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The Cricket Ireland Inter-Provincial T20 trophy match between Munster Reds and Northern Knights was disrupted today after bees swarmed on the pitch at the Mardyke.

Munster were 91/2 after 10.4 overs when officials called a halt to the game due to hundreds of bees swarming which eventually settled on a pavillon fence.

The players were unable to go near the boundary line with play stopping after 4.30pm.

Eventually, the queen bee was captured by Mauro Dias from Buzz of Nature. The swarm consisted of 20,000 bees.

The match resumed at 6.15pm and was played over 12 overs, with the Red setting a target of 106-5.
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Kiwias wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:42 am A virgin birth?? I accept that no other crocodiles have been in the enclosure but staff have surely been in there.

https://www.livescience.com/animals/all ... -time-ever
Deliverance.. the prequel? Squeal like a gator!
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Grandpa wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:30 pm
Kiwias wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:42 am A virgin birth?? I accept that no other crocodiles have been in the enclosure but staff have surely been in there.

https://www.livescience.com/animals/all ... -time-ever
Deliverance.. the prequel? Squeal like a gator!
She sure ain't got a purty mouth.
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Kiwias wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:41 pm
Grandpa wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:30 pm
Kiwias wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:42 am A virgin birth?? I accept that no other crocodiles have been in the enclosure but staff have surely been in there.

https://www.livescience.com/animals/all ... -time-ever
Deliverance.. the prequel? Squeal like a gator!
She sure ain't got a purty mouth.
:grin:

I see none of the eggs had a normal foetus in the end? So probably was the cleaner..
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Today in 1959: NZ stole Chinese Gooseberry from the China.
Turners & Growers renamed them "Kiwifruit" and it stuck.

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However, there is solid evidence that a teacher from Gumboot country brought some seeds back in the early 1900s and the first vine was fruiting around 1906/7
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:15 pm Today in 1959: NZ stole Chinese Gooseberry from the China.
Turners & Growers renamed them "Kiwifruit" and it stuck.

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However, there is solid evidence that a teacher from Gumboot country brought some seeds back in the early 1900s and the first vine was fruiting around 1906/7
Stole it twice? Bigger thieves than your criminal neighbours.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:25 am
They actually closed recently.
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Closed with a bang, then?
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The lads....

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I miss prime time shows like Tomorrows World. It's definitely at least partially responsible for me ending up in Engineering; even as a sprog I can remember looking at the innovations being presented & thinking to myself, "I can do better than that pile of shite !"'

The problems haven't really changed, but the Politicians are even more gutless & electorate more gullible, & it's always hard to get money for projects.
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Quality article in the Torygraph :lol:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/fest ... festivals/
How the middle class ruined music festivals

With tickets costing as much as £340 and attendees rising early to do yoga, music festivals have gone from mosh pit to posh pit

The festival season is upon us. Or, at least, upon those of us with deep pockets. The cost of Glastonbury tickets has, this year, risen from £270 to £340. Who can afford that, you might ask? In brief, the middle aged and middle classed. Or as one Reddit thread put it more poetically: “It’s so middle class these days the welfare tent is run by BUPA!” (Fact check: it’s not, not yet at least...)

So if you (like me), fall into this demographic, you can either give yourself a pat on the back for keeping festivals afloat, or, you could take a good hard look at yourself and tell us if (a one academic paper put it) you too are contributing to music festivals turning “from mosh pit to posh pit”.

Early morning ashtanga
Rising early to do yoga, ideally on a stand-up-paddle-board, balanced on the still waters of a lake, preferably in the grounds of a stately home? Strike one.

Latitude founder Melvin Benn saw us coming as early as 2014, when he said (perhaps slightly too frankly): “Yoga absolutely reinforces our middle-class credentials, and I’ve no qualms about that at all.” The practice, of course, spread faster than you can say “lululemons”.

See ‘Overhead at Wilderness’, a briefly viral hashtag celebrating (or was it reviling?) snippets of conversation from the most middle-class of festivals (think ‘Overheard at Waitrose’ but even more chi-chi). A Huffington Post reporter won with this harvested gem: “Father in a sparkly headband to toddler: “have you done your yoga yet, sweetie?”

Which leads us on to the next test...

Do you drag the kids along?

Diggory and Araminta have been going to festivals since they were in utero. You used to put them in a vintage trailer (expensive ear-defenders optional, fairy lights a must). But then they started expressing opinions on your music choices, which was a bit of a downer. So thank God for the babysitting service in the kids’ field where (for £40) you can park them every evening and – if there’s a must-see talk on microdosing or a gong bath session or some costly cosmic recalibration to do – much of the day too.

Do you know your rights?

Jemima and Henry have absolutely aced the dress code. They could not look more free-spirited and easy-going if they tried (and dear God, have they tried). But they’re not bloody fools. Henry is a man of means and doesn’t have to put up with incompetence. Thus, the teenage minimum-wage workers at the vintage food truck, and the nice eco-entrepreneurs running the floral crown workshops, live in fear of running out of sriracha sauce or peonies.

Jemima and Henry know their rights and (in the absence of the toddlers who disappeared into the creche two days ago and have not been seen since) are more than ready to throw their own toys and privilege out of the pram. Rightly so. As the Mirror recounted when Borough Market’s cheese festival became overcrowded: “Andy Green travelled all the way from Kent to eat cheese and was very upset by the meltdown.”

Enter the echo chamber
Because you’re not only a free-spirit (trapped in Fulham for 360 days a year) but you’re also ‘an enquiring mind’ (temporarily ensnared by the City) you’ve made sure to book into all the most zeitgeisty talks. You are expanding your worldview. It is, I suppose, slightly odd then that everyone in the audience and on stage looks rather like you. In fact, looking around, you feel like you recognise a fair few from the school run/ski trips/the kids’ tennis classes.

Welcome to what the actor Keith Allen has termed: the Whitehallisation of festivals. He was talking specifically about the Edinburgh Fringe, and Whitehalls of the Jack, not governmental variety, though the same probably applies. Either way, posh white men have taken over, he claimed, with the result that: “The festival now has as much creative energy as a chartered surveyors’ away day.”

Wildly overblown use of the world ‘wild’

There will be wild swimming (strictly from 10-10.45 am, only under the supervision of the lifeguard), wild flower crowns (£35 a workshop), wild mushrooms in the organic £15 breakfast rolls, wild cooking by Michelin-starred chefs (£80 a head for some foraged sorrel off a trestle table), wild nights out dancing to DJs in their 50s and ending at just past 10pm. “How was it?” your friends back in High Wycombe will ask. “Oh, it was absolutely wild,” you absolutely must reply.

Tipi or not tipi?

First they came for our perfectly serviceable Mountain Warehouse tents, and we did not speak out because bell tents do have a certain nostalgic charm, especially when sprinkled artfully with bunting. Then came pre-erected glamping tipis. And we still stayed silent because putting up the bell tent was a bit of a bore after a long week at the coal face and while we are still very much (can’t stress this enough) young and free at heart, the double bed and White Company sheets are rather easier on the old back and knees.

But now, suddenly, The Pop-Up Hotel’s “luxe Glastonbury glamping experience” is charging £11,999 for five nights in a “Safari Suite” with a king size bed, sofa, and en-suite bathroom with (crucially) your own private flushing toilet, hot water, shower and basin. There’s a private bar on site too, which is nice as you don’t have to jostle with the grockles, and a pool, restaurant and spa.

So really, you find yourself wondering, do we really need to traipse the ten-minute ‘flat walk’ to the festival itself. We can hear it all at a rather more civilised volume from here, and catch the highlights on the iPad (plentiful charging points). We’ll just dip in at the end to collect the kids from the babysitting service...
Ian Madigan for Ireland.
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Apologies for both link to Daily Heil and the fact the article is a bit of rage porn, but please do join me in wishing the vicious little shit a very unhappy time in life.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... years.html

Dickhead who is by all accounts pretty handy at martial arts decided to go into Asda dressed as superman and beat a shop floor worker unconscious for a bit of tiktok clout. The poor lass has fractured eye socket and presumably a newly-found phobia of superheroes.

He thankfully got banged up but god alone knows what sort of clown does this or encourages it. I'm not entirely sure they went to the shop expressly to beat someone unconscious, but surely they expected someone to object and were only too keen to throw a few fists.
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inactionman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:17 pm Apologies for both link to Daily Heil and the fact the article is a bit of rage porn, but please do join me in wishing the vicious little shit a very unhappy time in life.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... years.html

Dickhead who is by all accounts pretty handy at martial arts decided to go into Asda dressed as superman and beat a shop floor worker unconscious for a bit of tiktok clout. The poor lass has fractured eye socket and presumably a newly-found phobia of superheroes.

He thankfully got banged up but god alone knows what sort of clown does this or encourages it. I'm not entirely sure they went to the shop expressly to beat someone unconscious, but surely they expected someone to object and were only too keen to throw a few fists.
“Leader of the mayhem” got two years and two months.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:28 pm
Tipi or not tipi?
It's teepee. Fucking online media wankers can't spell! Not the first time I've seen it recently. :mad:
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The missing Titanic sub. Whilst I can understand it malfunctioning, what I struggle to understand, with all the modern technology, is how the fudge do they lose it.
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Blackmac wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:59 pm The missing Titanic sub. Whilst I can understand it malfunctioning, what I struggle to understand, with all the modern technology, is how the fudge do they lose it.
Sounds ropey
The BBC’s US partner CBS sent one of its reporters on a voyage with the same company last year to see the wreck of the Titanic.

In his report, David Pogue reads from what appears to be a waiver which describes the submersible as an “experimental” vessel, "that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma or death".

Pogue questioned CEO Stockton Rush about the ‘jerry-rigged nature’ of some of the components. In response, Rush said that the company worked with Nasa and Boeing to ensure the safety of the pressure vessel.
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm
Blackmac wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:59 pm The missing Titanic sub. Whilst I can understand it malfunctioning, what I struggle to understand, with all the modern technology, is how the fudge do they lose it.

Yeah. I get regulation in deep sea adventures would be scant but I would have thought having a beacon or some shit would be necessary. To be fair I read an Irish lad today say there is one so the obvious scenario is it crumpled in on itself and then the little bits are strewn about the place. I still wonder if it is bobbing around the place
This guy does a fairly comprehensive list of some of the most egregious issues with this death trap



Bottom line, it was done on the cheap, never tested fully, & the overwhelming arrogance of the CEO has now doomed he, & four others to a hopefully, swift & painless death. If they were able to descend to the wreck, they'd have been going to ~95% of their untested theoretical crush depth !!!

If they ever got a chance to test out the 96hrs survival systems I imagine he'd have had a rethink on numerous issues like:

- Why the fuck did I ignore a century of data on steel hulls ? ( & maybe building a "stealthy" hull wasn't a good idea if something went pear shaped)
- I really wish I hadn't decided that making egress impossible without an external entity was a good idea
- I really wish I wasn't a arrogant fucker who removed voice comms, because it was occasionally irritating
- Building a Non-monolithic hull, which totally precluded options like a detachable locator buoy, extra air, a separate shitter might be a good idea for Rev 2

If this guy hasn't kids he's a solid lock for this years Darwin awards !
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm
Blackmac wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:59 pm The missing Titanic sub. Whilst I can understand it malfunctioning, what I struggle to understand, with all the modern technology, is how the fudge do they lose it.

Yeah. I get regulation in deep sea adventures would be scant but I would have thought having a beacon or some shit would be necessary. To be fair I read an Irish lad today say there is one so the obvious scenario is it crumpled in on itself and then the little bits are strewn about the place. I still wonder if it is bobbing around the place
Radio doesn’t work very well under the sea hence communication with subs at a few hundred feet requires specialist tech. Probably a non-starter at Titanic depths.
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GogLais wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:41 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm
Blackmac wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:59 pm The missing Titanic sub. Whilst I can understand it malfunctioning, what I struggle to understand, with all the modern technology, is how the fudge do they lose it.

Yeah. I get regulation in deep sea adventures would be scant but I would have thought having a beacon or some shit would be necessary. To be fair I read an Irish lad today say there is one so the obvious scenario is it crumpled in on itself and then the little bits are strewn about the place. I still wonder if it is bobbing around the place
Radio doesn’t work very well under the sea hence communication with subs at a few hundred feet requires specialist tech. Probably a non-starter at Titanic depths.
just stupidity/arrogance not to have some sort of beacon. Basically totally fucked at that depth I doubt the nation's that operate subs have anything that could rescue them. Fishfoodie has covered it well. I will reserve my empathy for those who deserve it not those who have too much money and are bored.
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petej wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:14 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:41 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm

Yeah. I get regulation in deep sea adventures would be scant but I would have thought having a beacon or some shit would be necessary. To be fair I read an Irish lad today say there is one so the obvious scenario is it crumpled in on itself and then the little bits are strewn about the place. I still wonder if it is bobbing around the place
Radio doesn’t work very well under the sea hence communication with subs at a few hundred feet requires specialist tech. Probably a non-starter at Titanic depths.
just stupidity/arrogance not to have some sort of beacon. Basically totally fucked at that depth I doubt the nation's that operate subs have anything that could rescue them. Fishfoodie has covered it well. I will reserve my empathy for those who deserve it not those who have too much money and are bored.
Well yes but I don’t know what sort of signal from a beacon could be received from that depth. As I say afaik radio wouldn’t work.
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GogLais wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:27 pm
petej wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:14 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:41 pm

Radio doesn’t work very well under the sea hence communication with subs at a few hundred feet requires specialist tech. Probably a non-starter at Titanic depths.
just stupidity/arrogance not to have some sort of beacon. Basically totally fucked at that depth I doubt the nation's that operate subs have anything that could rescue them. Fishfoodie has covered it well. I will reserve my empathy for those who deserve it not those who have too much money and are bored.
Well yes but I don’t know what sort of signal from a beacon could be received from that depth. As I say afaik radio wouldn’t work.
An underwater beacon is probably not practical at all. Radio won't work, sound gets mucked up with thermoclines in the sea. They're supposed to be able rise at any time and if they can't they're screwed anyway. Nobody can rescue them in time even if they've not imploded. More of a question would be if they didn't have a radio beacon or similar to be located if they had to surface in an emergency.
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petej wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:14 pm just stupidity/arrogance not to have some sort of beacon. Basically totally fucked at that depth I doubt the nation's that operate subs have anything that could rescue them.
The deepest rescue ever was at 450 metres (Pisces III). Whilst that was 50 years ago, The Titanic is at 3,800 metres, if they are down there, there is no hope.
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Flockwitt wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:47 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:27 pm
petej wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:14 pm
just stupidity/arrogance not to have some sort of beacon. Basically totally fucked at that depth I doubt the nation's that operate subs have anything that could rescue them. Fishfoodie has covered it well. I will reserve my empathy for those who deserve it not those who have too much money and are bored.
Well yes but I don’t know what sort of signal from a beacon could be received from that depth. As I say afaik radio wouldn’t work.
An underwater beacon is probably not practical at all. Radio won't work, sound gets mucked up with thermoclines in the sea. They're supposed to be able rise at any time and if they can't they're screwed anyway. Nobody can rescue them in time even if they've not imploded. More of a question would be if they didn't have a radio beacon or similar to be located if they had to surface in an emergency.
Subs have a buoy that can be either manually deployed, or which automatically detaches if an emergency condition is detected. The buoy rises up to the surface, & starts broadcasting an SOS, so any rescuers have a start position (Rather infamously, Russian Captains used to weld the beacon in place, as it would come lose & rattle, & sometimes randomly detach & give away the subs position.)

Plane black boxes even have beacon to help them be found after crashes, & that pings for a few days. There's no good reason why submersible doesn't have beacon continually operating for the 10 hours it's in the water.

They should also have had some kind of deadmans switch to release the ballast & automatically surface after an hour, if a button wasn't pressed or something, similar to the devices trains have to stop runaway trains.

None of it is incredibly complicated, but this guys ego made this thing a deathtrap
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:48 pm

I miss prime time shows like Tomorrows World. It's definitely at least partially responsible for me ending up in Engineering; even as a sprog I can remember looking at the innovations being presented & thinking to myself, "I can do better than that pile of shite !"'

The problems haven't really changed, but the Politicians are even more gutless & electorate more gullible, & it's always hard to get money for projects.
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weegie01 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:07 pm
petej wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:14 pm just stupidity/arrogance not to have some sort of beacon. Basically totally fucked at that depth I doubt the nation's that operate subs have anything that could rescue them.
The deepest rescue ever was at 450 metres (Pisces III). Whilst that was 50 years ago, The Titanic is at 3,800 metres, if they are down there, there is no hope.
480m :wink:

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How fun would this be!? :grin:

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Shrekles would be into that
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:54 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:47 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:27 pm
Well yes but I don’t know what sort of signal from a beacon could be received from that depth. As I say afaik radio wouldn’t work.
An underwater beacon is probably not practical at all. Radio won't work, sound gets mucked up with thermoclines in the sea. They're supposed to be able rise at any time and if they can't they're screwed anyway. Nobody can rescue them in time even if they've not imploded. More of a question would be if they didn't have a radio beacon or similar to be located if they had to surface in an emergency.
Subs have a buoy that can be either manually deployed, or which automatically detaches if an emergency condition is detected. The buoy rises up to the surface, & starts broadcasting an SOS, so any rescuers have a start position (Rather infamously, Russian Captains used to weld the beacon in place, as it would come lose & rattle, & sometimes randomly detach & give away the subs position.)

Plane black boxes even have beacon to help them be found after crashes, & that pings for a few days. There's no good reason why submersible doesn't have beacon continually operating for the 10 hours it's in the water.

They should also have had some kind of deadmans switch to release the ballast & automatically surface after an hour, if a button wasn't pressed or something, similar to the devices trains have to stop runaway trains.

None of it is incredibly complicated, but this guys ego made this thing a deathtrap
In the oil & gas industry all of our submersibles/ROVs have transponders fitted which the vessel deploying them can monitor position through hydroacoustic monitoring systems.

We know the position of our deployed craft at all times, however they are usually tethered by a comms and power umbilical, which is not the case here.

As we are moving to autonomous underwater craft there is no tether but we still deploy transponders and monitor location from the support vessel.

Not sure on the depth range of hydro acoustics systems but I have personally used them in 2500m water depth.
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shaggy wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:51 am
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:54 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:47 pm

An underwater beacon is probably not practical at all. Radio won't work, sound gets mucked up with thermoclines in the sea. They're supposed to be able rise at any time and if they can't they're screwed anyway. Nobody can rescue them in time even if they've not imploded. More of a question would be if they didn't have a radio beacon or similar to be located if they had to surface in an emergency.
Subs have a buoy that can be either manually deployed, or which automatically detaches if an emergency condition is detected. The buoy rises up to the surface, & starts broadcasting an SOS, so any rescuers have a start position (Rather infamously, Russian Captains used to weld the beacon in place, as it would come lose & rattle, & sometimes randomly detach & give away the subs position.)

Plane black boxes even have beacon to help them be found after crashes, & that pings for a few days. There's no good reason why submersible doesn't have beacon continually operating for the 10 hours it's in the water.

They should also have had some kind of deadmans switch to release the ballast & automatically surface after an hour, if a button wasn't pressed or something, similar to the devices trains have to stop runaway trains.

None of it is incredibly complicated, but this guys ego made this thing a deathtrap
In the oil & gas industry all of our submersibles/ROVs have transponders fitted which the vessel deploying them can monitor position through hydroacoustic monitoring systems.

We know the position of our deployed craft at all times, however they are usually tethered by a comms and power umbilical, which is not the case here.

As we are moving to autonomous underwater craft there is no tether but we still deploy transponders and monitor location from the support vessel.

Not sure on the depth range of hydro acoustics systems but I have personally used them in 2500m water depth.
Your job sounds awesome.

I spend all day writing snarky emails trying to get our developers to actually develop something.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:28 pm
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Quality article in the Torygraph :lol:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/fest ... festivals/
How the middle class ruined music festivals

With tickets costing as much as £340 and attendees rising early to do yoga, music festivals have gone from mosh pit to posh pit

The festival season is upon us. Or, at least, upon those of us with deep pockets. The cost of Glastonbury tickets has, this year, risen from £270 to £340. Who can afford that, you might ask? In brief, the middle aged and middle classed. Or as one Reddit thread put it more poetically: “It’s so middle class these days the welfare tent is run by BUPA!” (Fact check: it’s not, not yet at least...)

So if you (like me), fall into this demographic, you can either give yourself a pat on the back for keeping festivals afloat, or, you could take a good hard look at yourself and tell us if (a one academic paper put it) you too are contributing to music festivals turning “from mosh pit to posh pit”.

Early morning ashtanga
Rising early to do yoga, ideally on a stand-up-paddle-board, balanced on the still waters of a lake, preferably in the grounds of a stately home? Strike one.

Latitude founder Melvin Benn saw us coming as early as 2014, when he said (perhaps slightly too frankly): “Yoga absolutely reinforces our middle-class credentials, and I’ve no qualms about that at all.” The practice, of course, spread faster than you can say “lululemons”.

See ‘Overhead at Wilderness’, a briefly viral hashtag celebrating (or was it reviling?) snippets of conversation from the most middle-class of festivals (think ‘Overheard at Waitrose’ but even more chi-chi). A Huffington Post reporter won with this harvested gem: “Father in a sparkly headband to toddler: “have you done your yoga yet, sweetie?”

Which leads us on to the next test...

Do you drag the kids along?

Diggory and Araminta have been going to festivals since they were in utero. You used to put them in a vintage trailer (expensive ear-defenders optional, fairy lights a must). But then they started expressing opinions on your music choices, which was a bit of a downer. So thank God for the babysitting service in the kids’ field where (for £40) you can park them every evening and – if there’s a must-see talk on microdosing or a gong bath session or some costly cosmic recalibration to do – much of the day too.

Do you know your rights?

Jemima and Henry have absolutely aced the dress code. They could not look more free-spirited and easy-going if they tried (and dear God, have they tried). But they’re not bloody fools. Henry is a man of means and doesn’t have to put up with incompetence. Thus, the teenage minimum-wage workers at the vintage food truck, and the nice eco-entrepreneurs running the floral crown workshops, live in fear of running out of sriracha sauce or peonies.

Jemima and Henry know their rights and (in the absence of the toddlers who disappeared into the creche two days ago and have not been seen since) are more than ready to throw their own toys and privilege out of the pram. Rightly so. As the Mirror recounted when Borough Market’s cheese festival became overcrowded: “Andy Green travelled all the way from Kent to eat cheese and was very upset by the meltdown.”

Enter the echo chamber
Because you’re not only a free-spirit (trapped in Fulham for 360 days a year) but you’re also ‘an enquiring mind’ (temporarily ensnared by the City) you’ve made sure to book into all the most zeitgeisty talks. You are expanding your worldview. It is, I suppose, slightly odd then that everyone in the audience and on stage looks rather like you. In fact, looking around, you feel like you recognise a fair few from the school run/ski trips/the kids’ tennis classes.

Welcome to what the actor Keith Allen has termed: the Whitehallisation of festivals. He was talking specifically about the Edinburgh Fringe, and Whitehalls of the Jack, not governmental variety, though the same probably applies. Either way, posh white men have taken over, he claimed, with the result that: “The festival now has as much creative energy as a chartered surveyors’ away day.”

Wildly overblown use of the world ‘wild’

There will be wild swimming (strictly from 10-10.45 am, only under the supervision of the lifeguard), wild flower crowns (£35 a workshop), wild mushrooms in the organic £15 breakfast rolls, wild cooking by Michelin-starred chefs (£80 a head for some foraged sorrel off a trestle table), wild nights out dancing to DJs in their 50s and ending at just past 10pm. “How was it?” your friends back in High Wycombe will ask. “Oh, it was absolutely wild,” you absolutely must reply.

Tipi or not tipi?

First they came for our perfectly serviceable Mountain Warehouse tents, and we did not speak out because bell tents do have a certain nostalgic charm, especially when sprinkled artfully with bunting. Then came pre-erected glamping tipis. And we still stayed silent because putting up the bell tent was a bit of a bore after a long week at the coal face and while we are still very much (can’t stress this enough) young and free at heart, the double bed and White Company sheets are rather easier on the old back and knees.

But now, suddenly, The Pop-Up Hotel’s “luxe Glastonbury glamping experience” is charging £11,999 for five nights in a “Safari Suite” with a king size bed, sofa, and en-suite bathroom with (crucially) your own private flushing toilet, hot water, shower and basin. There’s a private bar on site too, which is nice as you don’t have to jostle with the grockles, and a pool, restaurant and spa.

So really, you find yourself wondering, do we really need to traipse the ten-minute ‘flat walk’ to the festival itself. We can hear it all at a rather more civilised volume from here, and catch the highlights on the iPad (plentiful charging points). We’ll just dip in at the end to collect the kids from the babysitting service...
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Definitely the case for a lot of the major fests. Duoubt you'd see much of that at Arctangent or Outbreak.
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inactionman wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:13 am
shaggy wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:51 am
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:54 pm

Subs have a buoy that can be either manually deployed, or which automatically detaches if an emergency condition is detected. The buoy rises up to the surface, & starts broadcasting an SOS, so any rescuers have a start position (Rather infamously, Russian Captains used to weld the beacon in place, as it would come lose & rattle, & sometimes randomly detach & give away the subs position.)

Plane black boxes even have beacon to help them be found after crashes, & that pings for a few days. There's no good reason why submersible doesn't have beacon continually operating for the 10 hours it's in the water.

They should also have had some kind of deadmans switch to release the ballast & automatically surface after an hour, if a button wasn't pressed or something, similar to the devices trains have to stop runaway trains.

None of it is incredibly complicated, but this guys ego made this thing a deathtrap
In the oil & gas industry all of our submersibles/ROVs have transponders fitted which the vessel deploying them can monitor position through hydroacoustic monitoring systems.

We know the position of our deployed craft at all times, however they are usually tethered by a comms and power umbilical, which is not the case here.

As we are moving to autonomous underwater craft there is no tether but we still deploy transponders and monitor location from the support vessel.

Not sure on the depth range of hydro acoustics systems but I have personally used them in 2500m water depth.
Your job sounds awesome.

I spend all day writing snarky emails trying to get our developers to actually develop something.
I drive a desk now but have been fortunate to travel the world and do some pretty industry leading work in marine. Some of the achievements are truly astonishing when you look back, but the deep water scopes always hit the headlines as what was seen as impossible one year always gets done eventually.
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So, my understanding is that they've been missing since Monday? What's the chances they're still alive?
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