Saffers

[Big Nipper]

Vok you on your race car per usual. Look like you got the wrong voting papers in PE.

Sorry oom, I cannot afford a race car, still driving my Polo

Did you not yet get your commission for the vacuum cleaner that I bought last week?

No, it went straight to the directors purse.

[Chilli]

Sorry oom, I cannot afford a race car, still driving my Polo

Did you not yet get your commission for the vacuum cleaner that I bought last week?

No, it went straight to the directors purse.

Sorry that I couldn't afford the expensive one............................................

[Big Nipper]

Did you not yet get your commission for the vacuum cleaner that I bought last week?

No, it went straight to the directors purse.

Sorry that I couldn't afford the expensive one............................................

Don't ever talk to me again, peasant

[Chilli]

No, it went straight to the directors purse.

Sorry that I couldn't afford the expensive one............................................

Don't ever talk to me again, peasant

Game should really accept lay buys.

[Blake]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mashaba is from the DA right? Was he not the DA appointed mayor in Joburg that got ousted by the EFF running to the ANC because they did not like him.

Something like that. Mashaba was the DA mayoral candidate in Joburg and they went into an ill-fated coalition with the EFF (also in Tshwane) to oust the ANC from power.

Mashaba then did 2 big things that pissed off the DA Top Brass:
1. He made some massive concessions to the EFF on some waste collection tenders. Not a look that the DA wanted as it clashed with the clean and transparent governance image they wanted to cultivate while cleaning out and cancelling all the dodgy ANC deals that were bleeding City of Joburg dry.

2. He embarked on a heavy-handed "clean-up" of the Joburg CBD, particularly aimed at illegal foreigners. It got messy, because he wasn't very nuanced and diplomatic, which then fueled the already festering xenophobic tensions in those areas. His message was "Foreigners coming to South Africa must do so legally and follow the correct immigration/asylum procedures", which on the face of it is not contentious in my view, but that is only really a practical approach for these desperate people if the Department of Home Affairs was able to deal with this administrative burden...which they aren't.

So yeah, he had a fall out with the DA and started his own party, and a lot of his (current) base will be xenophobes who just liked his tough stance on "illegals".

[FalseBayFC]

Pretoria writer Damon Galgut has won the Booker Prize with his novel The Promise. A great achievement. I've just downloaded it. Has anybody read it yet?

[Rinkals]

You claim I am an ActionSA supporter, but nothing could be further from the truth.

So who do you vote for or are you just too cool for voting?

I voted for a local PE residents group called AIM

https://www.aim4change.org.za/

Well, it seems that NMB is represented by 12 separate parties.

Good luck in getting a functioning governing body out of that lot.

Predictions of a coalition are along the lines of ANC+EFF +NA+PA+AIC+Good.

Should be a right royal fuck up.

Perfectly predictable, really, but probably not by Nipper.

[_Os_]

Os, what do you make of the DA losing 23% of the coloured vote? Pretty much a pasting in my books

I've already posted on it ...

1. A lot of damage to the DA among coloured and Afrikaner voters was locked in at the 2019 election. At the time I argued (with DA people) against the course of action the DA was taking, that boiled down to the throwing the DA's supporters under the bus to try and win ANC supporters. The hounding of the (innocent) white school teacher in NW was awful stuff and orchestrated (by the backroom staff now working for Mashaba). The plan of "sacrifice racial minorities to get black voters" was bizarre, the assumption too many in the DA made was "our voters have no one else to vote for" something I always thought was nonsense. The outcome of all this was a loss of faith in the DA by many of its own supporters on an emotional level, whilst gaining very few new supporters because who is going to join a party fighting itself? This was all very obvious to me from at least 2017. I told you so.

2. It wasn't just about faith and who the party wanted to be for in some vague way. The DA also pursued a very confused policy line on race for a long time, were they for BEE or against it? For racial quotas or against it? The people I've met who hate the ANC and their racist laws the most, are all coloured people. Unlike most (but not all) whites, it's harder for them to come up with workarounds. Unlike whites who see ANC racism as something expected, coloureds experience it as a betrayal. So it's materially and emotionally much harder on them, than it is on whites. The people most pissed at the DA are coloured, there's an irony here because whilst the DA were pursuing this policy those who opposed it and said the DA should be non-racial and not copy the ANC, were basically called racist whites. I guess the peak of this was Maimane talking about "white privilege" a phrase taken from the USA, to support the ANC's racial policies which disproportionately harm the one group of people in SA that are descended from slaves (coloured people). ​The damage of the DA's confused policy position through most of the 2010s isn't going to be undone in one and half years, quite a bit of it in lockdown, then having a snap election. Most people aren't as tuned into politics as people commenting here and wouldn't even know anything has changed, they just want to punish the DA.

3. The first two points are a nice example of the different standards the DA is held to. No one gives a shit that other parties have alienated racial minorities so much that they all have fuck all representation among those groups. You say the DA is "pasted" in the coloured community, what happened to the ANC or the EFF? The advice media pundits give the DA is "copy the ANC", can you see a bit of a contradiction in the advice media people give the DA and the standards they hold it to? Which other party is subjected to a running commentary on their coloured or white or indian vote share?

4. In the SA context all the old apartheid racial categories are fake. All of us know that an English speaker from CT's southern suburbs and a Afrikaans speaking farmer from the far north, may both be white but that does not mean they have the same identity. If you tried to make a white nationalist party in SA, it would fail to unite that group of people because that identity doesn't exist as a singular coherent thing, there would always be a large bloc of whites who opposed it. All this is even more true for coloureds. There's a lot going into coloured identity that can't all fit into the same party - Afrikaans/English/Islam/Christianity/Cape Coloured/Cape Malay/Nama. Which is why there's about 3 different parties trying to be the coloured nationalist party. They're going to work out they can only all exist within the same party, if that party is non-racial and has no identity politics at all. They're also going to work out that these parties may not be as anti-ANC as they hoped.

5. The rise of residents parties in the Western Cape, is connected to coloureds feeling betrayed by the DA who they feel have prioritised blacks (they gave up on the ANC decades ago and just take it as a given from the ANC, which is why there's been no increase coloureds voting ANC). That is the bluntly stated position of CCC, that people who moved to CT from the Eastern Cape have got more than they have. Do you start to understand what copying the ANC has done to the DA's reputation? The logic in voting for a residents association is basically this - they will have to go into coalition with the DA, then benefits for our community can be extracted at the cost of other communities. I suspect also that there's a lack of trust in coloured nationalists parties, because they suspect they'll sell out the voters to the ANC. It's very easy to see how this could blow up ... running anything when there's a small contingent always agitating more be given to them and that small group being dominated by dickheads (a party simply being larger filters out the dickheads more), doesn't make something more stable.


... it was actually people like you who demanded the DA copy the ANC and supported the direction under Maimane, who helped create this mess. A lot of it just has to play out before it can be fixed, the small coloured nationalist parties just need to do their thing and fail.

[_Os_]

Well, it seems that NMB is represented by 12 separate parties.

Good luck in getting a functioning governing body out of that lot.

Predictions of a coalition are along the lines of ANC+EFF +NA+PA+AIC+Good.

Should be a right royal fuck up.

Perfectly predictable, really, but probably not by Nipper.

PA and GOOD would be selling out their voters. NA is a residents party, if it's a mess (that coalition clearly will be) then they're selling out their voters too.

EFF and AIC are both ANC splits, so their voters may tolerate it.

If that's the coalition which happens, there's going to be people regretting not voting DA.

[Monk]

Tell me about cell phone communication

In my valley it has been nigh impossible now for about a fortnight - calls simply dropping after 10 seconds

[assfly]

Tell me about cell phone communication

In my valley it has been nigh impossible now for about a fortnight - calls simply dropping after 10 seconds

Maybe nobody wants to talk to you.

[Sandstorm]

Tell me about cell phone communication

In my valley it has been nigh impossible now for about a fortnight - calls simply dropping after 10 seconds

Maybe nobody wants to talk to you.

[OomStruisbaai]

Tell me about cell phone communication

In my valley it has been nigh impossible now for about a fortnight - calls simply dropping after 10 seconds

It's Telkom network.

[Blake]

Tell me about cell phone communication

In my valley it has been nigh impossible now for about a fortnight - calls simply dropping after 10 seconds

Could be due to the load shedding.
The further the towers are from each other in the more rural areas, the bigger the impact of load shedding as there are fewer nodes available to route signals through.
While the towers usually have backup batteries, these are often stolen or they degrade and need to be replaced, or when you experience level 3-4 load shedding, don't get enough uptime to fully recharge fully before being pulled into action again.
This would then route signals through the remaining couple of online nodes which will be farther than the ideal operating distance, and also be at maximum carrying capacity and thus very unstable.

The above is all speculation, but that would be my best guess.

[assfly]

From my limited understanding of complex defensive patterns, I did feel that Kriel appeared to be following the same pattern as we have seen Kolbe and Nkosi have been doing for the Boks.

[average joe]

Ja, but someone get a measuring tape. We need to determine how big Fassi's head is for Sards. He wont sleep until he knows.

[Chilli]

From my limited understanding of complex defensive patterns, I did feel that Kriel appeared to be following the same pattern as we have seen Kolbe and Nkosi have been doing for the Boks.

You might be posting on the wrong fred.

[Big Nipper]

BREAKING | Former president FW de Klerk, 85, has died

[OomStruisbaai]

RIP FW de Klerk.

[Blake]

RIP FW de Klerk.

Nee wat. Fok hom en enige iemand wat vir hom en sy lot gestem het.
Ek weet baie van hulle was gebreinspoel, maar fokkit, hoe kon hulle nie geweet het nie.

[Big Nipper]

RIP FW de Klerk.

Nee wat. Fok hom en enige iemand wat vir hom en sy lot gestem het.
Ek weet baie van hulle was gebreinspoel, maar fokkit, hoe kon hulle nie geweet het nie.

[FalseBayFC]

RIP FW de Klerk.

Nee wat. Fok hom en enige iemand wat vir hom en sy lot gestem het.
Ek weet baie van hulle was gebreinspoel, maar fokkit, hoe kon hulle nie geweet het nie.

Agreed but the same could be said of those who kept Zuma in power by voting for him. Zuma will go down as causing way more damage than FW ever did. We need to move beyond the bitterness and division.

Every white person including the DP were responsible and benefited from Apartheid. Every white child that lives today still benefits.

[OomStruisbaai]

RIP FW de Klerk.

Nee wat. Fok hom en enige iemand wat vir hom en sy lot gestem het.
Ek weet baie van hulle was gebreinspoel, maar fokkit, hoe kon hulle nie geweet het nie.

Agreed but the same could be said of those who kept Zuma in power by voting for him. Zuma will go down as causing way more damage than FW ever did. We need to move beyond the bitterness and division.

Every white person including the DP were responsible and benefited from Apartheid. Every white child that lives today still benefits.

Now you talking.

Get out of your cave and do something.

[Chilli]

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa ... 498f32b101

DPP drops assault charges against Bok player Eben Etzebeth and his cousin
By Robin-Lee Francke Time of article published 34m ago


CAPE TOWN - The Acting Western Cape Director of Public Prosecutions, Advocate Nicolette Bell, has declined to prosecute Emile and Eben Etzebeth on counts of assault, stating there were “no prospects of a successful prosecution against the two men”.

Etzebeth and his 32-year-old cousin, Emile, appeared in the Hopefield Magistrate’s Court yesterday on two counts of assault with the intent to do grievous bodily harm.


The charges emanate from an incident on August 25, 2019 outside a Langebaan club during the early morning hours.

Two local residents claimed they were assaulted by Eben who had allegedly also made racial slurs towards them.

Western Cape spokesperson for the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA), Eric Ntabazalila, said after a protracted investigation, two counts of assault were preferred against Emile.

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“Following the decision to prosecute Emile Etzebeth, his legal representatives made representations to the acting Director of Public Prosecutions to withdraw the charges.

“In evaluating the representations, the prosecution consulted the two independent witnesses, upon whom reliance was placed to institute the prosecution.

“The evaluation revealed that one of the independent witnesses could not identify the assailant who assaulted the two complainants, whilst the initial identification made by the second witness could not, following the consultation, be relied upon to sustain a prosecution,” Ntabazalila said.


He said regarding the evidence of the complainants themselves, one of the victims was unable to identify who his assailant was and no reliance could be placed on the identification by the other victim.

Advocate Bell stated that in determining the onus of proving a case beyond reasonable doubt, the court would have to consider the inherent probabilities and improbabilities of the case, as well as the inherent strengths and weaknesses in both the State and defence cases.

“In considering the onus, I am of the view there are no prospects of a successful prosecution. I therefore decline to prosecute Emile Etzebeth and Eben Etzebeth,” Bell stated.

So much made about nothing.

[Rinkals]

RIP FW de Klerk.

Nee wat. Fok hom en enige iemand wat vir hom en sy lot gestem het.
Ek weet baie van hulle was gebreinspoel, maar fokkit, hoe kon hulle nie geweet het nie.

Agreed but the same could be said of those who kept Zuma in power by voting for him. Zuma will go down as causing way more damage than FW ever did. We need to move beyond the bitterness and division.

Every white person including the DP were responsible and benefited from Apartheid. Every white child that lives today still benefits.

That is certainly true.

Driving to Durban yesterday, I caught something on the radio where a politician (presumably FF+), was saying that the killings in Natal in the eighties could not be attributed to F.W. or the Nationalist Party because these were primarily black-on-black killings. They may have been black-on-black, but the IFP was definitely assisted by the Nats and it's unlikely that F.W was not aware of it.

Whether Zuma can be credited with that sort of genocide is doubtful.

[handyman]

It seems Bafana Bafana is out of next years World Cup in Qatar

[OomStruisbaai]

It seems Bafana Bafana is out of next years World Cup in Qatar

Sadly. Dubious penalty, same logpoints, same goal difference.

[Blake]

It seems Bafana Bafana is out of next years World Cup in Qatar

[handyman]

It seems Bafana Bafana is out of next years World Cup in Qatar

Terrible news, just awfully terrible.

[FalseBayFC]

Nee wat. Fok hom en enige iemand wat vir hom en sy lot gestem het.
Ek weet baie van hulle was gebreinspoel, maar fokkit, hoe kon hulle nie geweet het nie.

Agreed but the same could be said of those who kept Zuma in power by voting for him. Zuma will go down as causing way more damage than FW ever did. We need to move beyond the bitterness and division.

Every white person including the DP were responsible and benefited from Apartheid. Every white child that lives today still benefits.

That is certainly true.

Driving to Durban yesterday, I caught something on the radio where a politician (presumably FF+), was saying that the killings in Natal in the eighties could not be attributed to F.W. or the Nationalist Party because these were primarily black-on-black killings. They may have been black-on-black, but the IFP was definitely assisted by the Nats and it's unlikely that F.W was not aware of it.

Whether Zuma can be credited with that sort of genocide is doubtful.

KZN has always been and continues to be a hotbed of violence. The warlord mindset in certain disputed areas has been going on forever. Its weird because there can be years of calm and then it kicks off. Politics IFP/ANC, clan factionalism, power struggles over resources like taxi routes, religion all plays its part. But in the end its all about millions of people being forced into a the KZN bantustan areas to live in absolute poverty. That legacy will take decades to heal if that's even possible. And yes Zuma absolutely was a warlord and in late eighties KZN that was what was needed.

I spent a couple of weeks at Highway Command outside Pinetown in the late eighties. The SAP and 32 Battalion were training KZP constables at the base. That conflict was actively encouraged and fueled by our gov.

[Sards]

Agreed but the same could be said of those who kept Zuma in power by voting for him. Zuma will go down as causing way more damage than FW ever did. We need to move beyond the bitterness and division.

Every white person including the DP were responsible and benefited from Apartheid. Every white child that lives today still benefits.

That is certainly true.

Driving to Durban yesterday, I caught something on the radio where a politician (presumably FF+), was saying that the killings in Natal in the eighties could not be attributed to F.W. or the Nationalist Party because these were primarily black-on-black killings. They may have been black-on-black, but the IFP was definitely assisted by the Nats and it's unlikely that F.W was not aware of it.

Whether Zuma can be credited with that sort of genocide is doubtful.

KZN has always been and continues to be a hotbed of violence. The warlord mindset in certain disputed areas has been going on forever. Its weird because there can be years of calm and then it kicks off. Politics IFP/ANC, clan factionalism, power struggles over resources like taxi routes, religion all plays its part. But in the end its all about millions of people being forced into a the KZN bantustan areas to live in absolute poverty. That legacy will take decades to heal if that's even possible. And yes Zuma absolutely was a warlord and in late eighties KZN that was what was needed.

I spent a couple of weeks at Highway Command outside Pinetown in the late eighties. The SAP and 32 Battalion were training KZP constables at the base. That conflict was actively encouraged and fueled by our gov.

So you are about 8 years younger than me. I did National service in 81. From Cape Town to Potch. A huge cultural education. Who can ever forget basic training. Designed to break you down. To mould you into a man. And then I still volunteered for leadership in Pretoria . And prolonged basics for another 9 months. Except at a more intense level. I was a masochist I reckon. And then on my first batch of troops I get sent to the border for giving some mommies son some straf PT. On instructions from the Major. He conveniently made me the scapegoat. Mind you I loved the border. It's weird how easily you can just dissappear and noone knows where you are. I did a tour of the different camps as a Medic. Sitting in sick bays at various bases. They all needed a medic. On patrol with intelligence for a few months. Doing chopper rescues. The horsies , that was dour. Did 2 operations. Setting up casavac camps close to the action where we stabilized wounded troopies before they were flown to the hospital at Ondangwa. And then I got a gig escorting terrorists to South Africa. They had to have a medic present. Protocol. And then I disappeared in South Africa after my last escort. The army was great. If you kept your nose clean and had rank ( I was a 2 striper ) you could just vanish into the mess and noone would know better. Just so many troopers around, constantly recycling. Always new faces.

[FalseBayFC]

That is certainly true.

Driving to Durban yesterday, I caught something on the radio where a politician (presumably FF+), was saying that the killings in Natal in the eighties could not be attributed to F.W. or the Nationalist Party because these were primarily black-on-black killings. They may have been black-on-black, but the IFP was definitely assisted by the Nats and it's unlikely that F.W was not aware of it.

Whether Zuma can be credited with that sort of genocide is doubtful.

KZN has always been and continues to be a hotbed of violence. The warlord mindset in certain disputed areas has been going on forever. Its weird because there can be years of calm and then it kicks off. Politics IFP/ANC, clan factionalism, power struggles over resources like taxi routes, religion all plays its part. But in the end its all about millions of people being forced into a the KZN bantustan areas to live in absolute poverty. That legacy will take decades to heal if that's even possible. And yes Zuma absolutely was a warlord and in late eighties KZN that was what was needed.

I spent a couple of weeks at Highway Command outside Pinetown in the late eighties. The SAP and 32 Battalion were training KZP constables at the base. That conflict was actively encouraged and fueled by our gov.

So you are about 8 years younger than me. I did National service in 81. From Cape Town to Potch. A huge cultural education. Who can ever forget basic training. Designed to break you down. To mould you into a man. And then I still volunteered for leadership in Pretoria . And prolonged basics for another 9 months. Except at a more intense level. I was a masochist I reckon. And then on my first batch of troops I get sent to the border for giving some mommies son some straf PT. On instructions from the Major. He conveniently made me the scapegoat. Mind you I loved the border. It's weird how easily you can just dissappear and noone knows where you are. I did a tour of the different camps as a Medic. Sitting in sick bays at various bases. They all needed a medic. On patrol with intelligence for a few months. Doing chopper rescues. The horsies , that was dour. Did 2 operations. Setting up casavac camps close to the action where we stabilized wounded troopies before they were flown to the hospital at Ondangwa. And then I got a gig escorting terrorists to South Africa. They had to have a medic present. Protocol. And then I disappeared in South Africa after my last escort. The army was great. If you kept your nose clean and had rank ( I was a 2 striper ) you could just vanish into the mess and noone would know better. Just so many troopers around, constantly recycling. Always new faces.

I was 5 years with 1SAI - 83 to 88. National service and PF for 3 years. Also spent a lot of time with MID.

[Sards]

Ah.56.....good age.

[handyman]

Lads, not a good day to check up on your investment/pension fund values.

[Sandstorm]

Lads, not a good day to check up on your investment/pension fund values.

Rassie shouldn’t have apologised

[handyman]

Lads, not a good day to check up on your investment/pension fund values.

Rassie shouldn’t have apologised

One should not if one hasn't done anything wrong.

[Sards]

Lads, not a good day to check up on your investment/pension fund values.

Take it out and invest in a business. Much better return

[handyman]

Lads, not a good day to check up on your investment/pension fund values.

Take it out and invest in a business. Much better return

Too old for such a venture. Building up a business with youngsters in the house, cannot see me doing that at the moment.

My wife has taken over a practice this year, so I think it would be risky to start a new business now.

[OomStruisbaai]

Lads, not a good day to check up on your investment/pension fund values.

Take it out and invest in a business. Much better return

Too old for such a venture. Building up a business with youngsters in the house, cannot see me doing that at the moment.

My wife has taken over a practice this year, so I think it would be risky to start a new business now.

Work as long as you can.

I am struggling as a pensioner.

[handyman]

Take it out and invest in a business. Much better return

Too old for such a venture. Building up a business with youngsters in the house, cannot see me doing that at the moment.

My wife has taken over a practice this year, so I think it would be risky to start a new business now.

Work as long as you can.

I am struggling as a pensioner.

I'm putting away as much as possible. I'm not into buying a new car every few years, saving me lots of money. Also, it's scary what people are paying towards cellphone contracts these days. Got myself a great MTN Black Friday deal a year back, sim only.