NPR

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm vok me

Good idea

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 pm

Random1 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:31 pm Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Yeah, my second post clarified my feelings. I’m positive because we passed, ran, kicked, generally in that order. There’s still shit to sort, but the centres actually touched the ball.

That’s progress.

Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

Random1 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:38 pm Oh, and most of all - it was really important for England to win this considering they chose to run rather than take the kick first option.

If we played ball and lost, Eddie would have been justified in saying “see, told you running loses games”

This is an important game fir England.

Exactly

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 pm

Random1 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:31 pm Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Can France still win 6N?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:40 pm

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 pm
I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

He penalised the bloke for playing the ball on the floor.

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

They have to beat wales and scotland. Wales just have to beat France and they have the GS

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:40 pm

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 pm
I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

2) The pen against Ollivon at the lineout was an equal joke although that came from the TJ to Brace.

Torq, when the ball is on the floor and clearly playable it goes from a maul to a ruck. That's how you cope with (for example) a choke tackle - by getting the ball down and visible.

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:41 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm vok me

Good idea

vokof

BnM wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:45 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

They have to beat wales and scotland. Wales just have to beat France and they have the GS

And does the bonus points in those games affect it? For example if Wales get 2 bonus point against France

ASMO wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:41 pm Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

I thought Slade had a good game. The French midfield looked good because the ball was worked around at speed to create angles and space first, not just passed straight out with nobody there for a quick offload.

As for the penalty against ollivon, if it's the one I'm thinking of he clearly unbalanced Ewels by pulling on his arm in the air.

Farrell and Slade aren't the answer either.

England really need a total rethink on what they think centres are for. The French centres ran great lines, fixed defenders and moved the ball past the edge of the defence to the flyers. They also hold their depth. That's basically all they do but they're very very good at it. Farrell and Slade don't have any depth and Farrell has little dynamism to run a line or add a running threat. He can pass ok but without the other bits the defence will slide.

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:46 pm

ASMO wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:41 pm Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

I thought Slade had a good game. The French midfield looked good because the ball was worked around at speed to create angles and space first, not just passed straight out with nobody there for a quick offload.

Nah, Slade was poor in attack and defence.

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

No.

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:46 pm

BnM wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:45 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

They have to beat wales and scotland. Wales just have to beat France and they have the GS

And does the bonus points in those games affect it? For example if Wales get 2 bonus point against France

No Wales just have to beat France. France have to win both and get 2 bonus points iirc.

Slade comes up with good moments fairly often but yeah, he misses hatfuls of tackles and doesn't exactly terrify teams.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:48 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

No.

BnM says they can

Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm Want to say congrats England but vok me their players arrogance haven't change since 2019 WC final.

So hard luck Allez de Bluer. By far the best team.

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

May screaming like Tarzan for vokol.

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:50 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:48 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

No.

BnM says they can

It's really unlikely that France will win both with a bonus point from each and Wales get no more points. Possible but unlikely. Wales are on for the GS and Scotland are having one of their best 6n for a while

I think that’s part of the conundrum with Eddie, he rates personality, dedication and leadership ahead of general skill and ability and potential.

I read he wasn’t the greatest player himself, but had grit and determination. Hence I think he really values those attributes.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Kawazaki wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:47 pm Farrell and Slade aren't the answer either.

England really need a total rethink on what they think centres are for. The French centres ran great lines, fixed defenders and moved the ball past the edge of the defence to the flyers. They also hold their depth. That's basically all they do but they're very very good at it. Farrell and Slade don't have any depth and Farrell has little dynamism to run a line or add a running threat. He can pass ok but without the other bits the defence will slide.

My response above about the Eddie conundrum was referring to this post - just forgot to quote it!

Kawazaki wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:48 pm

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:46 pm

ASMO wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:41 pm Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

I thought Slade had a good game. The French midfield looked good because the ball was worked around at speed to create angles and space first, not just passed straight out with nobody there for a quick offload.

Nah, Slade was poor in attack and defence.

Strange, PR seems to have a generally different view. Clearly superior analysts here

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:50 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:48 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm Can France still win 6N?

No.

BnM says they can

Wales would need just 2 points to guarantee the title regardless of what France does

Slade was poor with some occasional bright moments. But come on, who cares right now?

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm Want to say congrats England but vok me their players arrogance haven't change since 2019 WC final.

So hard luck Allez de Bluer. By far the best team.

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

May screaming like Tarzan for vokol.

The arrogance of shouting on a rugby pitch! Uniquely English and disgusting! So revealing of the team ethic! Thank god we have neutrals to find such outrages!

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:33 pm Want to say congrats England but vok me their players arrogance haven't change since 2019 WC final.

So hard luck Allez de Bluer. By far the best team.

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

May screaming like Tarzan for vokol.

Are you sure you are not being a bit of a knob? That was a great game of rugby for partisans and neutrals alike. I much prefer passion to cynicism in a player, don’t you?

Random1 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:52 pm I think that’s part of the conundrum with Eddie, he rates personality, dedication and leadership ahead of general skill and ability and potential.

I read he wasn’t the greatest player himself, but had grit and determination. Hence I think he really values those attributes.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Eddie can't delegate, he can't trust people. He's also got a huge ego and despises being questioned on his judgement. Add in that he literally doesn't have a boss and it's a recipe for something highly sub-optimal. In short, he picks players that are good at following his instructions with little room for innovation or flair.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:40 pm

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 pm
I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

2) The pen against Ollivon at the lineout was an equal joke although that came from the TJ to Brace.

While no one has to move away from the ball when the maul goes down, you can't move onto it either. It was playable according to the ref and the French player (was it Taofifenua?) moved to render it unplayable.

BnM wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:52 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:50 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:48 pm

No.

BnM says they can

It's really unlikely that France will win both with a bonus point from each and Wales get no more points. Possible but unlikely. Wales are on for the GS and Scotland are having one of their best 6n for a while

I got a better chance getting pregnant

Well done England (just watched the 2nd half), great game of rugby.

France were oddly really dodgy in defence.

I’ve never seen a ref reverse a decision like that, don’t like it, it’s a really slippery slope to every decision getting reviewed.

I bloody love Sinkler, superb player.

I’ve never quite got the full on Youngs hate and he had a great game today

Watson is at least twice the player that May is you stupid English.

Eddie is a full on twat. 4 weeks ago we were being told that having the ball was a bad thing. The last 2 games England have thrown it about and looked good. You really need to get rid of him.

Well done England

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:40 pm

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 pm
I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

He penalised the bloke for playing the ball on the floor.

No. He did not. He clearly told (Cretin I think) that he was preventing the ball being played.

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:47 pm As for the penalty against ollivon, if it's the one I'm thinking of he clearly unbalanced Ewels by pulling on his arm in the air.

No he didn't. He barely brushed him which is what happens all the time with practically every jumper in the lineout: as the English commentators pointed out. It was an incredibly harsh pen (fine if we get consistency) which was not called by Brace but the TJ. Brace had no option but to go with the TJ who claimed it was an arm pull.

Not you two at it again.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:51 am

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:40 pm

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

He penalised the bloke for playing the ball on the floor.

No. He did not. He clearly told (Cretin I think) that he was preventing the ball being played.

The one in the first half?

Ref calls maul. It goes to ground and the ball comes out on the England side. Ref calls ball available, at which point the French 4 dives over the top of it.

Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:09 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:51 am

notfatcat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:43 pm

He penalised the bloke for playing the ball on the floor.

No. He did not. He clearly told (Cretin I think) that he was preventing the ball being played.

The one in the first half?

Ref calls maul. It goes to ground and the ball comes out on the England side. Ref calls ball available, at which point the French 4 dives over the top of it.

If it was that one it was pretty clear. Whether it was still a maul, or turned into a tackle, you can't just jump off your feet onto the ball in that situation.

Un Pilier wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:10 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

May screaming like Tarzan for vokol.

Are you sure you are not being a bit of a knob? That was a great game of rugby for partisans and neutrals alike. I much prefer passion to cynicism in a player, don’t you?

He celebrated winning right?? That’s it. Winning a tough battle against the odds.

He didn’t do it deliberately getting n anyone’s face or otherwise pat anyone on the head or anything like that did he?!!

Otherwise I can’t see how celebrating a win is being obnoxious or arrogant??

That destruction can now put that tied old trope of “Wales is one of the games Italy target” to bed.

Un Pilier wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:10 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:39 pm

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

May screaming like Tarzan for vokol.

Are you sure you are not being a bit of a knob? That was a great game of rugby for partisans and neutrals alike. I much prefer passion to cynicism in a player, don’t you?

Nah he's being a fucking great big one!
May hadn't had a good 6N until yesterday and if he wants to release all the pent up emotion by screaming at the end of a pulsating match then fair play to him