Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:44 pm
Joe Heyes called up[ as cover for Sinckler who has a "chest injury"!!!
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Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:01 pm
I reckon the lads have started deliberately injuring each other to get out of this shitshow, it'll be like that scene from Escape To Victory in the dressing room.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:04 pm
Holy hell, we're collapsing like flies. I was vaguely hoping we might be able to scratch through to the semis, given our good fortune in pools, but right now I don't think we'll even make that.SaintK wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:44 pm Joe Heyes called up[ as cover for Sinckler who has a "chest injury"!!!
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:08 pm
Good job we've got that crack S&C team in from Leicester ensuring that we're relentless on the pitch and not breaking down with injury in training.
No, wait.
No, wait.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:15 pm
He can't break even more than Eddie did, can he?
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:16 pm
They're giving it a bloody good go
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:28 pm
I for one am hugely surprised that an entire team of people who are in varying ways utterly inexperienced for their roles at this level are making an absolute pigs ear of an already shit situation.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:45 pm
The worry is that Aled Waters is the only one with the appropriate experience
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:45 pm
The lack of interest in a genuine special talent like wade was always frustrating. The massive + in attack was less important than a minor - negative in defence.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:04 pmHe certainly had plenty of terrible outcomes. But I've seen him up close in training, and he was actually pretty decent, genuinely he looked quite good (and I've seen bad), but at club and country nobody looked to build on that, it just wasn't part of the thinking. And players can tend to be what you tell them to be, partly we can tend to fall in line, partly they want to work on what's getting them selected and they don't chance things the coach isn't looking for if that puts selection at riskinactionman wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:58 pmHe had terrible hands.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:56 pm Actually Roberts didn't have terrible hands, but he was certainly used as a bosh merchant, and it showed at times he couldn't pair making a good decision and executing it under pressure, both how little was expected/encouraged of him and the lack of actual practice.
In England we want to line players up, in attack and defence, we want the high confrontational square on contacts, we're not that interested in space and evasion, nor speed. And Wales has some similar lack of thinking to us in this. And we typically give scant regards to players like Eastmond, like Smith, and even if we pick them we don't consider what might allow them to work better. Christ, England weren't even interested in Wade, and he scared the daylights out of anyone who marked him, but, he was no Banahan
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:36 pm
It wasn't minor. He was an absolute bomb scare in defence and never seemed to improve. You can't carry a player like that. No matter how good they might be with ball in hand.
All it would've taken was some commitment to doing the basics and following a system properly but by the end I only have to assume he didn't give a shit
All it would've taken was some commitment to doing the basics and following a system properly but by the end I only have to assume he didn't give a shit
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:44 pm
Raggs wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:04 pmHoly hell, we're collapsing like flies. I was vaguely hoping we might be able to scratch through to the semis, given our good fortune in pools, but right now I don't think we'll even make that.SaintK wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:44 pm Joe Heyes called up[ as cover for Sinckler who has a "chest injury"!!!
Sinckler chest injury - pea heart.
He's no great loss at all - he's even lazier than Marler.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:45 am
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://ww ... ury-squad/Margin__Walker wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:08 pm Good job we've got that crack S&C team in from Leicester ensuring that we're relentless on the pitch and not breaking down with injury in training.
No, wait.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:01 pm
Yep, tapering is the word on the street. Let's see.Ovals wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:45 amhttps://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://ww ... ury-squad/Margin__Walker wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:08 pm Good job we've got that crack S&C team in from Leicester ensuring that we're relentless on the pitch and not breaking down with injury in training.
No, wait.
Thankfully their group is very forgiving
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:15 pm
We'll be able to tell by how many Fiji put on us laterMargin__Walker wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:01 pmYep, tapering is the word on the street. Let's see.Ovals wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:45 amhttps://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://ww ... ury-squad/Margin__Walker wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:08 pm Good job we've got that crack S&C team in from Leicester ensuring that we're relentless on the pitch and not breaking down with injury in training.
No, wait.
Thankfully their group is very forgiving
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:13 pm
As they say of NFL players who win a massive contract and then phone it in, he got paid.Kawazaki wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:44 pmRaggs wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:04 pmHoly hell, we're collapsing like flies. I was vaguely hoping we might be able to scratch through to the semis, given our good fortune in pools, but right now I don't think we'll even make that.SaintK wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:44 pm Joe Heyes called up[ as cover for Sinckler who has a "chest injury"!!!
Sinckler chest injury - pea heart.
He's no great loss at all - he's even lazier than Marler.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:26 pm
We already look far better with Mitchell and Ford we do with Youngs and Farrell, who'd have thunk it.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:41 pm
25 mins in with 15 on the pitch, that’s a moral win in my book.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:50 pm
Forward, but we got sliced open there, badly.
Edit: Jesus, Cole was barely moving in that "defence".
Edit: Jesus, Cole was barely moving in that "defence".
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:08 pm
Oxbow wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:26 pm We already look far better with Mitchell and Ford we do with Youngs and Farrell, who'd have thunk it.
And then England looked shite again.
Oh sorry, I'm sure you were just about to post this.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:17 pm
It then started pissing it down which may have had something to do with it, but after the first 15 minutes it wasn't great. Still better than having Youngs out there though. I know there's absolutely no point arguing with you about Farrell, so, I won't.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:27 pm
Oxbow wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:17 pmIt then started pissing it down which may have had something to do with it, but after the first 15 minutes it wasn't great. Still better than having Youngs out there though. I know there's absolutely no point arguing with you about Farrell, so, I won't.
England are shite with Smith at 10 - it's Farrel's fault
England are shite with Ford at 10 - it's Farrel's fault
England are shite when Farrell isn't playing - it's Farrel's fault
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:31 pm
Christ that was a depressing run of phases 5m out and end up 10m back and losing it.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:38 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:27 pmOxbow wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:17 pmIt then started pissing it down which may have had something to do with it, but after the first 15 minutes it wasn't great. Still better than having Youngs out there though. I know there's absolutely no point arguing with you about Farrell, so, I won't.Kawazaki wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:08 pm
And then England looked shite again.
Oh sorry, I'm sure you were just about to post this.
England are shite with Smith at 10 - it's Farrel's fault
England are shite with Ford at 10 - it's Farrel's fault
England are shite when Farrell isn't playing - it's Farrel's fault
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:03 pm
Marler, Cole, Care and May. We might as well get Borthwick on.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:08 pm
Remarkable stuff. Well done Borthwick, no one could have predicted just how much impact you'd have on this team. History making stuff. Unforgettable.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:08 pm
Are we worse than the '05 -'11 sides yet?
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:09 pm
Gotta be the worst England RWC squad of the pro era.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:11 pm
I don't think the players are the worst, but the coaching... 
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:12 pm
You could give it chapter and verse about many many many many things, and some of the problems we face go beyond the national side, but all I am going to say is that when literally every single player and every facet and thing you do is utterly shit, you can only look at the coaching team.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:12 pm
By a country mile.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:13 pm
Agree..worst in terms of the overall factors.
There are some right donkeys in this team but frustratingly also some quality players
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:17 pm
I feel for Lawes.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:17 pm
The coaches didn't make Care drop the ball in his own 22 which lead to their last try.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:17 pm
They at least fronted up in the forwards and we reached the final in 2007.
This lot are 1970s bad.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:18 pm
Why the fuck he was catching it in the first place is symptomatic of the rot throughout the team.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:21 pm
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:21 pm
Hartley is fucking delusional.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:26 pm
They could defend and try and grind out a win at least and you never saw those teams lose (comfortably as well) to one of the PI nations.
Make no mistake, this is the most humiliating defeat in England rugby history and we can add it to the record 6N and home defeat against France from earlier this year - a group stage RWC exit seems entirely possible at this point!
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:29 pm
At this point, going out in the group stages would almost be blessed relief.Joost wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:26 pmThey could defend and try and grind out a win at least and you never saw those teams lose (comfortably as well) to one of the PI nations.
Make no mistake, this is the most humiliating defeat in England rugby history and we can add it to the record 6N and home defeat against France from earlier this year - a group stage RWC exit seems entirely possible at this point!
It's just constant lack of basic skills, and god alone knows where our defensive intensity went. I think I've seen more missed tackles this year than in the preceding decade.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:30 pm
22 tries against us in 5 games. Sinfield is a League legend but a Union nobody, yet gets a top coaching job.