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Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:02 am**

Jock42 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:47 am
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:26 am Mohamed Haouas was handed a four week ban for the red card on Sunday, his third red card since 2020 and second in the 6N
4 weeks for rapping the nut on some cunt. Absolute joke.

Well done on the most Scottish post of the week

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:05 am**

I'm happy that there's some recognition and mitigation of remorse and acceptance of liability, perhaps better expressed that bans can be increased if the transgressor clearly does not accept they've transgressed, but agree entirely that there should be a closer scrutiny of past behaviour. The mitigations for claimed remorse seem pretty hollow when they've been up before the beak on this sort of thing before.

If they were truly remorseful and accept their behaviour was not acceptable, then they shouldn't do it again. If they're charged for the same/similar offence again in reasonably short order, you operate on the basis that it's reckless or intentional and consider it as aggravating. That's surely a better assessment, rather than a few empty words which are clearly spoken in an attempt to gain mitigation.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:55 am**

Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:18 pm This is fun to watch

Really?? My eyes are bleeding.

We have hit the critical mass for fusion, with 2 highly argumentative types going at each other.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:31 pm**

SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:56 am
We've probably posted about this before, but the whole thing needs ripping up. You shouldn't get weeks off for admitting guilt and managing to behave, the totality of a previous record is important, what's deemed low and middle range seems completely arbitrary etc.
Agree entirely
It's farcical!

And, a 3 week ban has very little effect - it just gives the player an enforced rest - he'll probably still end up playing the same amount of games, in a season, that he would have without a ban.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:44 pm**

Tbf, he will miss international games, which isn't meaningless (English players get around 20k/game, French players are probably on similar?) and may have screwed up his international career given his past history and the risk of playing him in a WC knockout.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:59 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:05 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:47 am
weegie01 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:25 am

They started at the minimum of 6 weeks, and reduced it due to ''the player’s early acknowledgement that the incident warranted a red card; the lack of intent and premeditation and clearly expressed remorse'.

I do not understand why this started at the minimum, nor why the above applied to a serial offender. And he can lose one of those weeks by going to tackle school.
We've seen with other judgements that they don't consider repeat offender in the way that fans do. For example, Farrell's recent ban was his third for a high tackle, but the judgement mentioned that they discounted the one from 2016 given the time that had elapsed. Personally, I think that if you committed the same offence in 2016, 2020 and 2022 then that shows no growth from the player over a long period and that absolutely should be part of any sanction consideration, but disciplinary panels obviously disagree.

Houas didn't even commit the same offence as last time.

There is a guy on the Glasgow forum who researches an incredible amount of rugby stats, he also writes for various online publications. This is what he says

"Mohamed Haouas:

1st half red card for France v Scotland, 8th March 2020 - punching.
3-week ban. Games missed - 0 (Covid)

1st half red card for Montpellier v Lyon, 30th April 2022 - no arms charge.
1-week ban. Games missed - 1

1st half red card for France v Scotland, 26th February 2023 - dangerous tackle.
4-week ban, reduced by 1 week if coaching intervention completed. Games missed - most likely 3.

So a player with 3 red cards in the space of less than 3 years will have received a total punishment of 4 games missed."

The rugby authorities dress this up as a legal process and bestow on it a huge amount of gravitas, but as far as I'm aware criminal courts take previous convictions into account as aggravating factors, so I think the pretendy seriousness and self aggrandising of the rugby hearings are actually quite laughable.

The press release on Haouas;
(there are ) "no aggravating factors and accepted mitigating factors including the player’s early acknowledgement that the incident warranted a red card; the lack of intent and premeditation and clearly expressed remorse"

As I said to him on Twitter, it’s particularly ridiculous in view of the fact that two of his three red cards have been for actual violent conduct (punching Ritchie in the face and the recent flying headbutt) and not technical reds given for head contact.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:43 pm**

I see the weird Irish pundits and ex players have already started on the “arrogant Scottish mouthing off” narrative. It’s really fucking odd

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:46 pm**

Slick wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:43 pm I see the weird Irish pundits and ex players have already started on the “arrogant Scottish mouthing off” narrative. It’s really fucking odd

Yeah, they have this old memory of being grouped with us for so long that they are absolutely paranoid about us. It's mental.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:47 pm**

You really need to put a link up if you're going to start throwing accusations around.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:02 pm**

CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:44 pm Tbf, he will miss international games, which isn't meaningless (English players get around 20k/game, French players are probably on similar?) and may have screwed up his international career given his past history and the risk of playing him in a WC knockout.

True, in his case, but normally not so much. Take Farrell's ban before the 6n............

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:36 pm**

CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:47 pm You really need to put a link up if you're going to start throwing accusations around.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:37 pm**

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:50 pm**

Slick wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:36 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:47 pm You really need to put a link up if you're going to start throwing accusations around.

Jackman's career as a coach demonstrates what he knows about evaluating players. Got Grenoble relegated from the Top14 and made the Dragons look even shittier than normal.

Seeing as that tweet has disappeared for some reason -

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:53 pm**

Also just found out Jackman is only 46. That was a rough fucking paper round.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:53 pm**

What's the first tweet?

No one really listens to Andy Dunne. He's made a career as a pundit out of not a lot so fair dues to him but it's hardly a tsunami.

Any idea what comments he's referring to?

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:54 pm**

CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:53 pm What's the first tweet?

No one really listens to Andy Dunne. He's made a career as a pundit out of not a lot so fair dues to him but it's hardly a tsunami.

Any idea what comments he's referring to?

So he falls firmly into the 'weird Irish pundits' category mentioned then?

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:55 pm**

I wouldn't take Russell ahead of the other two either. Just too risky between his playstyle and personality. Works for Scotland, fair enough, but even Townsend tried to do without him.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:58 pm**

Biffer wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:54 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:53 pm What's the first tweet?

No one really listens to Andy Dunne. He's made a career as a pundit out of not a lot so fair dues to him but it's hardly a tsunami.

Any idea what comments he's referring to?
So he falls firmly into the 'weird Irish pundits' category mentioned then?

Ok. So why pay any attention to a 'weird' pundit then?

Mainstream view is it's going to a tough proposition and we're all looking forward to it. What more needs to be said?

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:08 pm**

Slick wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:43 pm I see the weird Irish pundits and ex players have already started on the “arrogant Scottish mouthing off” narrative. It’s really fucking odd

It was bad enough that we had a few days of The Swarm descending on here without their pundits also mining the English rugby thread for content :(

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:12 pm**

CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:58 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:54 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:53 pm What's the first tweet?

No one really listens to Andy Dunne. He's made a career as a pundit out of not a lot so fair dues to him but it's hardly a tsunami.

Any idea what comments he's referring to?
So he falls firmly into the 'weird Irish pundits' category mentioned then?
Ok. So why pay any attention to a 'weird' pundit then?

Mainstream view is it's going to a tough proposition and we're all looking forward to it. What more needs to be said?

Not going down this road with you, CM11. You asked for links and got a couple, there will be more as we get nearer.

Any idea what comments he's referring to?

No, that's the point really.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:14 pm**

I actually quite like Andy Dunne (though I fucking despise Jackman). He's a different type of voice who generally has something more interesting to say than most other pundits.

However I've no idea what the "comments" he is referring to are and certainly a 2+ score prediction is ambitious. It's not however beyond the realms of possibility though, we did Wales by 3+ scores and France by 2. It could easily happen. So unfortunately could us getting beaten by some Finn Russell special.

For what its worth I think it will be a cracking game and I hope we end up on top by more than a score - just to give my nerves a break before the final whistle.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:22 pm**

PornDog wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:14 pm I actually quite like Andy Dunne (though I fucking despise Jackman). He's a different type of voice who generally has something more interesting to say than most other pundits.

However I've no idea what the "comments" he is referring to are and certainly a 2+ score prediction is ambitious. It's not however beyond the realms of possibility though, we did Wales by 3+ scores and France by 2. It could easily happen. So unfortunately could us getting beaten by some Finn Russell special.

For what its worth I think it will be a cracking game and I hope we end up on top by more than a score - just to give my nerves a break before the final whistle.

That's the thing, you speak to any Scottish supporter or player and I think they would agree - I'm basing the players response from what they have been saying in the press here. But every year some of your lads start up with this thing that's been said. It's never specific and never allocated to anyone in particular. It's weird

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:22 pm**

PornDog wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:14 pm I actually quite like Andy Dunne (though I fucking despise Jackman). He's a different type of voice who generally has something more interesting to say than most other pundits.

However I've no idea what the "comments" he is referring to are and certainly a 2+ score prediction is ambitious. It's not however beyond the realms of possibility though, we did Wales by 3+ scores and France by 2. It could easily happen. So unfortunately could us getting beaten by some Finn Russell special.

For what its worth I think it will be a cracking game and I hope we end up on top by more than a score - just to give my nerves a break before the final whistle.

To be fair your nerves would get a break if we were winning by 20 as well.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:44 pm**

Biffer wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:22 pm
PornDog wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:14 pm I actually quite like Andy Dunne (though I fucking despise Jackman). He's a different type of voice who generally has something more interesting to say than most other pundits.

However I've no idea what the "comments" he is referring to are and certainly a 2+ score prediction is ambitious. It's not however beyond the realms of possibility though, we did Wales by 3+ scores and France by 2. It could easily happen. So unfortunately could us getting beaten by some Finn Russell special.

For what its worth I think it will be a cracking game and I hope we end up on top by more than a score - just to give my nerves a break before the final whistle.
To be fair your nerves would get a break if we were winning by 20 as well.

That's the spirit

Slick, can't say I recall similar from previous years! I think Andy dunne's wife might be Scottish though, I certainly seem to remember some Irish pundit saying that previously and I think it was he. So maybe he's talking about the grief he's gotten personally from the in laws?

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:03 pm**

Jock42 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:47 am
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:26 am Mohamed Haouas was handed a four week ban for the red card on Sunday, his third red card since 2020 and second in the 6N
4 weeks for rapping the nut on some cunt. Absolute joke.

It gets worse. This is URC not international, but the guy didn't plead guilty and didn't show any remorse, but still got the 50% discount. WTF.

https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news ... uan-dreyer

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:19 pm**

Biffer wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:03 pm
Jock42 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:47 am
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:26 am Mohamed Haouas was handed a four week ban for the red card on Sunday, his third red card since 2020 and second in the 6N
4 weeks for rapping the nut on some cunt. Absolute joke.
It gets worse. This is URC not international, but the guy didn't plead guilty and didn't show any remorse, but still got the 50% discount. WTF.

https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news ... uan-dreyer

In the Player’s responses to the Panel overseeing the disciplinary process (Tommy Dalton, Chair (Ireland), Gordon Black (Ireland) & Nigel Williams (Wales)), he had accepted that he had committed an act of foul play which warranted a Red Card.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:16 pm**

Jock42 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:47 am
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:26 am Mohamed Haouas was handed a four week ban for the red card on Sunday, his third red card since 2020 and second in the 6N
4 weeks for rapping the nut on some cunt. Absolute joke.

Everyone on the forum gets Google Translate out.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:22 pm**

Slick wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:37 pm

What a fucking moron.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:37 pm**

Who is he talking about 'in that particular group of Scottish players' who apparently talk a lot?

Ryan Wilson is/was a bit of a knacker, but can't say I've noticed much untoward outside that. Except Hogg's barnet. That's inexcusable.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:02 pm**

Well given that the Welsh and English are shit again, someone needs to bring the spite to the table.

Posted: **Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:44 pm**

PornDog wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:14 pm I actually quite like Andy Dunne (though I fucking despise Jackman). He's a different type of voice who generally has something more interesting to say than most other pundits.

However I've no idea what the "comments" he is referring to are and certainly a 2+ score prediction is ambitious. It's not however beyond the realms of possibility though, we did Wales by 3+ scores and France by 2. It could easily happen. So unfortunately could us getting beaten by some Finn Russell special.

For what its worth I think it will be a cracking game and I hope we end up on top by more than a score - just to give my nerves a break before the final whistle.

Or, indeed Scotland getting beaten by some Finn Russell special.

And I suspect that's why some of the pundits mentioned would prefer a "safer" outhalf playing.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:45 am**

Weather looking fairly awful in Edinburgh for the weekend

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:24 am**

Henshaw definitely back for this one?

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:27 am**

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:24 am Henshaw definitely back for this one?

Apparently.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:30 am**

Slick wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:45 am Weather looking fairly awful in Edinburgh for the weekend

Sunday looks fine.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/fo ... 2023-03-12

Not that it can be predicted with much certainly yet.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:33 am**

CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:30 am
Slick wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:45 am Weather looking fairly awful in Edinburgh for the weekend
Sunday looks fine.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/fo ... 2023-03-12

Not that it can be predicted with much certainly yet.

It's a bit odd to be honest, TV, radio and online saying it's going to be absolutely terrible and all sorts of things are going to go tits up, but all the weather apps seem to say it won't be that bad at all.

Murrayfield itself will be fine, just a bit worried about supporters getting here, including my Irish mates coming up from London.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:36 am**

Slick wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:33 am
CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:30 am
Slick wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:45 am Weather looking fairly awful in Edinburgh for the weekend
Sunday looks fine.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/fo ... 2023-03-12

Not that it can be predicted with much certainly yet.
It's a bit odd to be honest, TV, radio and online saying it's going to be absolutely terrible and all sorts of things are going to go tits up, but all the weather apps seem to say it won't be that bad at all.

Murrayfield itself will be fine, just a bit worried about supporters getting here, including my Irish mates coming up from London.

Fingers crossed.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:01 pm**

we're nearly at the weekend, they've announced the U20s teams for Friday

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:30 pm**

I’m getting excited.

I’m really looking forward to Sundays match.

I shall be locating my family tartan in support ….

Done. Although I’ve blatted my normal avatar now oops.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:16 pm**

Ymx wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:30 pm I’m getting excited.

I’m really looking forward to Sundays match.

I shall be locating my family tartan in support ….

Done. Although I’ve blatted my normal avatar now oops.

I think we'll get three good (Senior) matches this weekend, there's a lot at stake all around.

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