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Pretty much what I said although singling out Barbar when he was in for far fewer balls than Rizwan is a touch harsh.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:38 am https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/men- ... rd-1288878

Pretty much what I said although singling out Barbar when he was in for far fewer balls than Rizwan is a touch harsh.

Pakistan were the team people were rating as the best in the tournament. And yesterday they were more aggressive from the start than they have been in any other match in this tournament.

So...

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:03 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:38 am https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/men- ... rd-1288878

Pretty much what I said although singling out Barbar when he was in for far fewer balls than Rizwan is a touch harsh.

Pakistan were the team people were rating as the best in the tournament. And yesterday they were more aggressive from the start than they have been in any other match in this tournament.

So...

The vast majority had Eng rated as the best team in the comp although Pak being rated 2nd was fair enough. Both sides made smallish errors in their tactics when batting first which then proved to be fatal. More aggressive is a relative thing. 47 at the end of the powerplay is still only 8 an over with an unwell Rizwan striking at slightly less than his career average of 120. The revelation of Rizwan's being unwell makes the tactical decisions even more baffling. They could even have taken him off after 5 and brought him back on later if necessary.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:50 am

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:03 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:38 am https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/men- ... rd-1288878

Pretty much what I said although singling out Barbar when he was in for far fewer balls than Rizwan is a touch harsh.

Pakistan were the team people were rating as the best in the tournament. And yesterday they were more aggressive from the start than they have been in any other match in this tournament.

So...

The vast majority had Eng rated as the best team in the comp although Pak being rated 2nd was fair enough. Both sides made smallish errors in their tactics when batting first which then proved to be fatal. More aggressive is a relative thing. 47 at the end of the powerplay is still only 8 an over with an unwell Rizwan striking at slightly less than his career average of 120. The revelation of Rizwan's being unwell makes the tactical decisions even more baffling. They could even have taken him off after 5 and brought him back on later if necessary.

47 is better than they'd managed all tournament, against a high quality bowling attack...

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:20 am
47 is better than they'd managed all tournament, against a high quality bowling attack...

That was never in dispute. And "managed" is not the right term because it makes it sound like they were previously trying to score more: which they were not. It was a deliberate tactic. It was still lower than most other sides during the power play. And anyway, those 5 overs were only a subset of the error: mainly both openers going too slow for too long and keeping the bigger hitters off the crease. Fakhar almost single handedly rescued the position.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:32 am

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:20 am
47 is better than they'd managed all tournament, against a high quality bowling attack...

That was never in dispute. And "managed" is not the right term because it makes it sound like they were previously trying to score more: which they were not. It was a deliberate tactic. It was still lower than most other sides during the power play. And anyway, those 5 overs were only a subset of the error: mainly both openers going too slow for too long and keeping the bigger hitters off the crease. Fakhar almost single handedly rescued the position.

Right, but the point is that it was a winning tactic for them right up until it wasn't.

This is kind of like the argument about the England ODI side - the all-out aggression in the opening ten overs is brilliant, but as soon as it resulted in a collapse people were like "ah, they got their approach all wrong". It's how they've chosen to approach T20s and it works very well for them - but Zampa did a brilliant job on them.

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:46 am Right, but the point is that it was a winning tactic for them right up until it wasn't.

This is kind of like the argument about the England ODI side - the all-out aggression in the opening ten overs is brilliant, but as soon as it resulted in a collapse people were like "ah, they got their approach all wrong". It's how they've chosen to approach T20s and it works very well for them - but Zampa did a brilliant job on them.

The only teams where a winning tactic remains a winning tactic are those that are so much better than the competition that they would win anyway i.e. it's academic.

In this instance, there is a compelling argument against:
1) The tactic had been used in chasing which was a very different thing in this comp.
2) Bar a practice outing against minnows which is hardly a yardstick for someone you've lost to in every ODI world comp ever.

F**k all anyone had won batting first which meant you were at a clear disadvantage and had to try and rebalance that by putting more runs on the board than had previously won games. A lot more.

In Eng's case, at least part of this was messing with the batting order. Also massively hindered by injuries. And maybe. Just maybe they should have used Roy's injury to bolster the bowling.

Right the big day is today.

Going to forget all about the rugby today. It’s all about cricket !

Until tomorrow, when I’ll be wanting to forget about the cricket too …

Six hours to the start

Please win New Zealand.

Yep Black Caps allie pad!

Who’s that guy?

This made me larf.

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:23 am Who’s that guy?

This made me larf.

Just a Saffer cricket tweeter.

Cricinfo commentator referring to the match as the Flat White Final.

Could also be called the Pavlova Cup.

Fuck it. Strayans win the toss.

NZ to bat first.

Chasing in a final is a lot harder than in a non knockout match. The choke factor is huge. I guess its the same with the bowling side though.

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:33 pm Fuck it. Strayans win the toss.

Well that is that then.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:58 pm F**k all anyone had won batting first which meant you were at a clear disadvantage ...

Yes.
The dew factor means Indians dismiss this World Cup: "once the toss has been made, the game is over."
Thus their defeats to Pakistan and NZ.

NZ fly to India next week for three T20s before the two-match test series.
An NZ victory today will give India an immediate chance to rectify the perceived injustice of the coin toss.

Edit: just seen above that we lost the coin toss, so an NZ victory would stuff that Indian claim.
But the upcoming series would still provides them with a chance to restore pride.

Just about to start.

What’s a par for the course?

Toying with them so far.

quatre

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:00 pm What’s a par for the course?

If the course is NZ v Aus then Aus. And bollocks. Mitchell gone.

Sky just had a wobble and started playing darts !?!

I really wish there was an AI button to mute the fucking stadium announcer.

Insane_Homer wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:20 pm I really wish there was an AI button to mute the fucking stadium announcer.

When I say kiwi you say oi oi. When I say kiwi you say oi oi. When I say …. shut up you twat.

And in great news, it’s Danny Morrison.

Williamson taking up deliveries looking for the run to third man.

25 dot balls already.

Arrrgh....are we going to go down with a whimper??

What a shit toss to lose.

Have to be brave now and have a go.

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:35 pm Arrrgh....are we going to go down with a whimper??

What a shit toss to lose.

We’ve lost so many finals you think we might change our freakin’ arm a bit

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:45 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:35 pm Arrrgh....are we going to go down with a whimper??

What a shit toss to lose.

We’ve lost so many finals you think we might change our freakin’ arm a bit

Whimper…

oops

That’s a bad drop.

very expensive drop that. 13 runs in 3 balls and a free hit to come

He just dropped the world cup ….


No I don’t believe that either