NPR

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:25 pm

Openside wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:21 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:16 am

You mean the population that overwhelmingly voted for parties who aren't the Conservatives, prior to an incredibly botched handling of a pandemic and a disastrous Brexit deal?

Perhaps your golf buddies are happy, I dunno, but maybe you should broaden your horizons a little bit before accusing me of myopia.

Yes them.

So your argument is that the population as a whole isn't unhappy, and your basis for this is... the fact that the Tories won the election a year ago? And you think we're in a bubble!

I tend to agree with OS actually. The governments approval rating is roughly the same as a year ago and their policies are broadly supported (not by me so much). I think the general feeling is they have done a poor job but no one else would have done much better.

It amazes me that the rise in populism is still treated by many as a blip and just supported by a few loons. Look at the most recent election across the pond, Trump still got 75m votes. His policies are wildly popular and I think only the fact that he was such an odious, incompetent cunt stopped him from winning. A competent and less corrupt person running with those same policies would have walked it which is why so many Republicans are sticking with them. There is most certainly a bubble.

The approval rating for the uk gov is not good reading for the Tories

https://www.statista.com/statistics/116 ... al-rating/

Tichtheid wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:50 am The approval rating for the uk gov is not good reading for the Tories

https://www.statista.com/statistics/116 ... al-rating/

Does it really matter this far from an election?
If the vaccination programme carries on as it is a lot of people will change their minds on how the crisis has been handled, on balance, and by the next election the debate will be around how best to handle an economic recovery.

Tichtheid wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:50 am The approval rating for the uk gov is not good reading for the Tories

https://www.statista.com/statistics/116 ... al-rating/

Those kinds of figures are not unusual at all over the last 20 years though.

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:04 am

Tichtheid wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:50 am The approval rating for the uk gov is not good reading for the Tories

https://www.statista.com/statistics/116 ... al-rating/

Does it really matter this far from an election?
If the vaccination programme carries on as it is a lot of people will change their minds on how the crisis has been handled, on balance, and by the next election the debate will be around how best to handle an economic recovery.

It matters when hyper-sensitive Tories are claiming that we're in the minority about being unhappy with the govt.

Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

There is some research here on voting on the EU from Scottish fishermen, they were overwhelmingly Tory voters, intended to leave the EU because they thought it would benefit their industry, they mostly identify as British, though a fair proportion as Scottish, with a vanishingly low number identifying as European.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Vot ... _325188654

Read this if you like French, Spanish and Italian wines & weep!

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

It truly is a magnificent achievement to agree to someone else's demands at the last minute.

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:41 am

Its not just Scottish fisherman to be fair.

The fixation of eliminating tariffs but doing nothing to eliminate non tariff barriers which are far more costly and particularly onerous when exporting fresh food is coming back to bite.

I like neeps wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:57 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

It truly is a magnificent achievement to agree to someone else's demands at the last minute.

Headshot!

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:19 pm

I like neeps wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:57 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

It truly is a magnificent achievement to agree to someone else's demands at the last minute.

Headshot!

Except it just isn’t True, there’s barely a commentary that doesn’t acknowledge that the UK did very well out of the deal struck

Economic Armageddon has become “a bit difficult for the fish exporters in Scotland “ who presumably can’t fill in a form like the ones in Lowestoft or Grimsby ....

The nationalists in Scotland are the funniest critics though, especially now it’s clear the EU won’t touch them.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

You are just on the wind-up aren't you?

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

You are just on the wind-up aren't you?

Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:41 am

Police slap Scottish seafood truckers with Covd fines for 'unnecessary journeys' as they descend on No10 - after fishermen vowed to dump tons of rotten fish on PM's doorstep over Brexit border chaos.

Following one of those posted twitter feeds led me to this from a couple of weeks ago.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... exit-mania

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

You are just on the wind-up aren't you?

Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

You should thank the EU for writing it up a year ago then.

tc27 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:05 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:41 am

Its not just Scottish fisherman to be fair.

The fixation of eliminating tariffs but doing nothing to eliminate non tariff barriers which are far more costly and particularly onerous when exporting fresh food is coming back to bite.

It was a success in terms of selling the Brexit deal to low-information voters though. Deal done, no tariffs, free trade, mission accomplished, etc.

robmatic wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:19 pm
It was a success in terms of selling the Brexit deal to low-information voters though. Deal done, no tariffs, free trade, mission accomplished, etc.

But it's shameful how many people who's business actually involves daily, just-in-time trade with the EU were taken in by it.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 88817.html

UK now has highest Covid death rate in the world

Shouldn't we all for the cabinet on Friday or something?

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

Brexit handing excellent, once again pulled something off that was deemed impossible. The critics and doom merchants are running around with some politicised Scottish fisherman , that’s literally all they’ve got left.

You are just on the wind-up aren't you?

Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

Pretty clear, what already after 2 weeks?
Car production being halted at Nissan, Honda and JLR due to parts shipping issues. Not just the fishing industry struggling

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:39 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am Pandemic handling appealing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 88817.html

UK now has highest Covid death rate in the world

Shouldn't we all for the cabinet on Friday or something?

To be fair should imagine that is a typo and should read "appalling"

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Pretty clear indeed.....

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm
You are just on the wind-up aren't you?

Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

Pretty clear, what already after 2 weeks?
Car production being halted at Nissan, Honda and JLR due to parts shipping issues. Not just the fishing industry struggling

They were all meant to be closed by now. That’s the difference between remoaner expectations and reality.

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:28 pm EU Membership
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Pretty clear indeed.....

Except for the current vaccine.

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:32 am Read this if you like French, Spanish and Italian wines & weep!

He obviously just doesn't believe in Britain enough. Typical Remoaner.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:09 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 pm



Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

Pretty clear, what already after 2 weeks?
Car production being halted at Nissan, Honda and JLR due to parts shipping issues. Not just the fishing industry struggling

They were all meant to be closed by now. That’s the difference between remoaner expectations and reality.

Oh do stop it!!!

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm
You are just on the wind-up aren't you?

Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

Pretty clear, what already after 2 weeks?
Car production being halted at Nissan, Honda and JLR due to parts shipping issues. Not just the fishing industry struggling

Car plants are shut all over the world at present thanks to covid , lockdowns, and people not buying cars right now against a backdrop of working from home and industry over supply. To say that what’s happening in those uk factories is because of supply chain shipping issues just isn’t wholly true and they would (should?) have built up certain parts buffer stock.
HONDA Swindon was already going to close in 2021.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:08 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:04 am

Tichtheid wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:50 am The approval rating for the uk gov is not good reading for the Tories

https://www.statista.com/statistics/116 ... al-rating/

Does it really matter this far from an election?
If the vaccination programme carries on as it is a lot of people will change their minds on how the crisis has been handled, on balance, and by the next election the debate will be around how best to handle an economic recovery.

It matters when hyper-sensitive Tories are claiming that we're in the minority about being unhappy with the govt.

You hang onto the fact that ‘the majority’ voted against the Tories - well your votes meant fuck all then because despite ‘your majority’ it’s a Landslide Tory govt. you got

Yeeb wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:15 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:50 pm



Not in regard to Boris government post election and brexit. It’s pretty clear that the deal is a decent one.

Pretty clear, what already after 2 weeks?
Car production being halted at Nissan, Honda and JLR due to parts shipping issues. Not just the fishing industry struggling

Car plants are shut all over the world at present thanks to covid , lockdowns, and people not buying cars right now against a backdrop of working from home and industry over supply. To say that what’s happening in those uk factories is because of supply chain shipping issues just isn’t wholly true and they would (should?) have built up certain parts buffer stock.
HONDA Swindon was already going to close in 2021.

JLR were specific about lack of parts arriving
Chip shortages aren't helping either I guess. Audi having real issues with that

Openside wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:35 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:08 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:04 am

Does it really matter this far from an election?
If the vaccination programme carries on as it is a lot of people will change their minds on how the crisis has been handled, on balance, and by the next election the debate will be around how best to handle an economic recovery.

It matters when hyper-sensitive Tories are claiming that we're in the minority about being unhappy with the govt.

You hang onto the fact that ‘the majority’ voted against the Tories - well your votes meant fuck all then because despite ‘your majority’ it’s a Landslide Tory govt. you got

Yes, I didn't expect you to comprehend that we're talking about current public opinion. But hey, you do your thing of leaping in front of this disastrous government to deflect criticism. I'm sure they'll fuck you eventually.

Just not in the way that you clearly hope for.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:28 pm EU Membership
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Pretty clear indeed.....

Except for the current vaccine.

The current vaccine is interesting and clearly the government is doing an outstanding job there.

I note the vaccine distribution is being run centrally and not outsourced.

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:36 pm

Yeeb wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:15 pm

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:45 pm
Pretty clear, what already after 2 weeks?
Car production being halted at Nissan, Honda and JLR due to parts shipping issues. Not just the fishing industry struggling

Car plants are shut all over the world at present thanks to covid , lockdowns, and people not buying cars right now against a backdrop of working from home and industry over supply. To say that what’s happening in those uk factories is because of supply chain shipping issues just isn’t wholly true and they would (should?) have built up certain parts buffer stock.
HONDA Swindon was already going to close in 2021.

JLR were specific about lack of parts arriving
Chip shortages aren't helping either I guess. Audi having real issues with that

First of, of course a car firm would blame the political situation if it could , and not give any miles to the whole arse falling out of car market present.
Secondly, perhaps some sort of preparation like have been done on their end as running out of bits 18 days into a year when car sales have been near zero, is extremely poor planning.
Re audi, what has that got to do with brexit ? Or do those chips come from the uk ? If so, then the second clause equally applies to them , especially to small high value non perishable goods such as microchips.

Sounds more like the poorer managed firms haven’t done enough prep and are now getting into trouble. Uk warehouses are bursting with product prior to brexit , now into jan and lockdown order from suppliers have greatly reduced in line with over stocked and fall in demand.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:47 pm

Openside wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:35 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:08 am

It matters when hyper-sensitive Tories are claiming that we're in the minority about being unhappy with the govt.

You hang onto the fact that ‘the majority’ voted against the Tories - well your votes meant fuck all then because despite ‘your majority’ it’s a Landslide Tory govt. you got

Yes, I didn't expect you to comprehend that we're talking about current public opinion. But hey, you do your thing of leaping in front of this disastrous government to deflect criticism. I'm sure they'll fuck you eventually.

Just not in the way that you clearly hope for.

Yes of course you were as you were telling me how the majority voted for anti-Tory parties erm have you voted recently? Besides as you well know mid term opinions count for f’all besides voting intentions frankly considering how tough a lot of people have it atm are encouraging!!


I will only get fucked by the Tories if they do something that will shag the whole country by introducing a property levy .Or ramp up IHT.

Openside wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:24 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:47 pm

Openside wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:35 pm

You hang onto the fact that ‘the majority’ voted against the Tories - well your votes meant fuck all then because despite ‘your majority’ it’s a Landslide Tory govt. you got

Yes, I didn't expect you to comprehend that we're talking about current public opinion. But hey, you do your thing of leaping in front of this disastrous government to deflect criticism. I'm sure they'll fuck you eventually.

Just not in the way that you clearly hope for.

Yes of course you were as you were telling me how the majority voted for anti-Tory parties erm have you voted recently? Besides as you well know mid term opinions count for f’all besides voting intentions frankly considering how tough a lot of people have it atm are encouraging!!


I will only get fucked by the Tories if they do something that will shag the whole country by introducing a property levy .Or ramp up IHT.

You realise there's been an entire fucking discussion that happened since the last time you deigned to respond? So yeah, we'd moved on from the election and multiple people were discussing actual public opinion. The world doesn't stop for you.

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:22 pm

robmatic wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:19 pm
It was a success in terms of selling the Brexit deal to low-information voters though. Deal done, no tariffs, free trade, mission accomplished, etc.

But it's shameful how many people who's business actually involves daily, just-in-time trade with the EU were taken in by it.

Business like the one I work in you mean?

It’s working fine,

O2 commercial contract renewal received yesterday...

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:32 am O2 commercial contract renewal received yesterday...


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Meh, we all called that one about 6 hours after the Brexit vote in 2016.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:30 am

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:32 am O2 commercial contract renewal received yesterday...


mobile EU charges.JPG

Meh, we all called that one about 6 hours after the Brexit vote in 2016.

Yeah, but there will still be thousands of people screaming about it when they get big bills after their holiday later in the year, with associated headlines in the trash papers.