NPR

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:30 pm Done now. Lil Davey is having some fun.

I didn’t realise how small he was … for such a big c…..

well, at least i wont have to fret about an exciting finish clashing with the F1 race.

What a shitty weekend of sport.

Sigh

We need Boult back

And Hadlee

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:45 pmWe need Boult back

You called?

This’ll be the match where The Big No Show turns up.

I wish Sodhi was a no show

Wrap this up and get it over with. We’re done.

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 pm I wish Sodhi was a no show

Williamson aside the rest of the team have been a no show.

Glenn Philips hattrick please.

I think Williamson is going to have to bowl to support Boult

Small margins. Any other day, that carries to Mitchell

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 pm

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 pm I wish Sodhi was a no show

Williamson aside the rest of the team have been a no show.

Boult 2 for 8 worth a shout?

Kiwias wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:02 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 pm

Ymx wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 pm I wish Sodhi was a no show

Williamson aside the rest of the team have been a no show.

Boult 2 for 8 worth a shout?

Ok, he can have a pass.

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:05 pm

Kiwias wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:02 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 pm

Williamson aside the rest of the team have been a no show.

Boult 2 for 8 worth a shout?

Ok, he can have a pass.

It’s a tough crowd tonight

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:16 pm I'm glad Williamson's finally putting on a display, he's such a good play. Really enjoying watching this. Wonder if it'll inspire Steve Smith?

Didn't even get that far. This is an absolute pounding.

Bad weekend for NZ sport. Outplayed in both the rugby and the cricket. Is it too early to drink myself into despair?

Every time an Aussie hits it near a fielder, the ball falls a bit short.

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:16 pm Bad weekend for NZ sport. Outplayed in both the rugby and the cricket. Is it too early to drink myself into despair?

BCs performed better than the ABs.

Kiwias wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:19 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:16 pm Bad weekend for NZ sport. Outplayed in both the rugby and the cricket. Is it too early to drink myself into despair?

BCs performed better than the ABs.

I performed better than the ABs.

Well done, Ockers. Too strong on the night

Spanked.

Well played, Aussies.

We did OK.
I feared catastrophe regardless of how the toss would go.

Shit tournament, toss decided so much, terrible wickets and terrible atmosphere throughout.
Now to get spanked in the Ashes and deal with the usual nonsense that comes with it.

Fuck me it’s a tough sport

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:30 pm Shit tournament, toss decided so much, terrible wickets and terrible atmosphere throughout.
Now to get spanked in the Ashes and deal with the usual nonsense that comes with it.

Fuck me it’s a tough sport

Yup. Bad enough it was hosted in the UAE without the shit pitches ruining it all

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:05 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:30 pm Shit tournament, toss decided so much, terrible wickets and terrible atmosphere throughout.
Now to get spanked in the Ashes and deal with the usual nonsense that comes with it.

Fuck me it’s a tough sport

Yup. Bad enough it was hosted in the UAE without the shit pitches ruining it all

What pitch do you expect for T20?

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:08 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:05 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:30 pm Shit tournament, toss decided so much, terrible wickets and terrible atmosphere throughout.
Now to get spanked in the Ashes and deal with the usual nonsense that comes with it.

Fuck me it’s a tough sport

Yup. Bad enough it was hosted in the UAE without the shit pitches ruining it all

What pitch do you expect for T20?

T20 works best on a shirtfront. You shouldn’t have to nudge around like was so often the case in this tournament

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:08 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:05 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:30 pm Shit tournament, toss decided so much, terrible wickets and terrible atmosphere throughout.
Now to get spanked in the Ashes and deal with the usual nonsense that comes with it.

Fuck me it’s a tough sport

Yup. Bad enough it was hosted in the UAE without the shit pitches ruining it all

What pitch do you expect for T20?

One where good batsmen don't end up scratching around for ages

Apologies Kiwis. We should have knocked the wankers out in Game 1.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:06 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:08 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:05 pm

Yup. Bad enough it was hosted in the UAE without the shit pitches ruining it all

What pitch do you expect for T20?

One where good batsmen don't end up scratching around for ages

Flat pitches?

Well, that was the worst outcome. The biggest negative of this comp has been the influence of the toss. Basically, lose the toss = lose the game.

The result sucked but was not unexpected. I loved seeing Williamson flay Starc as if he was a local league bowler.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:13 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:06 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:08 pm

What pitch do you expect for T20?

One where good batsmen don't end up scratching around for ages

Flat pitches?

For T20, that is preferable to "day 4 of a Test" pitches, yeah.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:13 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:06 pm

One where good batsmen don't end up scratching around for ages

Flat pitches?

For T20, that is preferable to "day 4 of a Test" pitches, yeah.

So team batting 2nd will always have advantage?

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:18 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:13 pm
Flat pitches?

For T20, that is preferable to "day 4 of a Test" pitches, yeah.

So team batting 2nd will always have advantage?

Not particularly. Flatter pitches make it easier for the team batting first to trust their shots. Knowing what you need to chase is always going to be an advantage, that's inherent in the sport, but beyond that the conditions should only have minimal impact.

Seems weird that you're worried about teams batting 2nd having an advantage, after the tournament we just watched...

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:48 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:18 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 am

For T20, that is preferable to "day 4 of a Test" pitches, yeah.

So team batting 2nd will always have advantage?

Not particularly. Flatter pitches make it easier for the team batting first to trust their shots. Knowing what you need to chase is always going to be an advantage, that's inherent in the sport, but beyond that the conditions should only have minimal impact.

Seems weird that you're worried about teams batting 2nd having an advantage, after the tournament we just watched...

No not at all. I think a pitch that give something to the bowler will even it up batting first or second. Like in the 1st day of Test cricket.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:32 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:48 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:18 am

So team batting 2nd will always have advantage?

Not particularly. Flatter pitches make it easier for the team batting first to trust their shots. Knowing what you need to chase is always going to be an advantage, that's inherent in the sport, but beyond that the conditions should only have minimal impact.

Seems weird that you're worried about teams batting 2nd having an advantage, after the tournament we just watched...

No not at all. I think a pitch that give something to the bowler will even it up batting first or second. Like in the 1st day of Test cricket.

Fine. You're the one who stated the alternative as being flat pitches. I say lean towards flat pitches - in other words, make sure the bats can trust the surface and get value from their shots. This is a format where batsmen are expected to take risks on a regular basis. It's NOT Test cricket and it shouldn't try to be. A flat pitch in Tests is massively skewed towards batsmen, but the same is nowhere near as true in T20, because in Tests you can just milk risk-free runs all day.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:32 am No not at all. I think a pitch that give something to the bowler will even it up batting first or second. Like in the 1st day of Test cricket.

As stated earlier in the thread, I didn't have an issue over low scores. However, the almost insurmountable advantage of batting second really ruined the comp as it progressed in this case. So hear what you are saying but "even it up" is the opposite of what transpired.

Commiserations Kiwis. If you're going to lose a final thats the way to do it I guess. No last ball heartbreak or umpiring controversy. A shit sporting weekend for you.

But you're still the best Test cricket team in the world and the second best rugby team in the world so its not all doom and gloom.