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[‘tsek]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

[Sards]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

Its so overrated....


Sharks would be sought after in any competition in the world. Besides...they managed their resources perfectly and attracted the real talent in South Africa

[OomStruisbaai]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

[Sards]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

Sharks will be fine. We have depth. Just at 10 we have Boeta, Libbok and Nohamba.

[OomStruisbaai]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

Sharks will be fine. We have depth. Just at 10 we have Boeta, Libbok and Nohamba.

What a stupid post.

[OomStruisbaai]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

Sharks will be fine. We have depth. Just at 10 we have Boeta, Libbok and Nohamba.

What a stupid post.

[Chilli]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

I like him "kenners" like Oom are writing off the Bulls.

[Sards]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

I like him "kenners" like Oom are writing off the Bulls.

And he thinks the Sharks don't have enough depth to field two competitive sides

[OomStruisbaai]

We are still waiting for our fixtures. Look like it starts first weekend in Oct with a north vs south match.
https://www.news24.com/citypress/sport/ ... s-20200912

The Springbokke will probably go to Aus with a 40 men squad. This will hurt the Sharks and WP players depth. Can't measure CC log endings for Pro rugby.

I like him "kenners" like Oom are writing off the Bulls.

And he thinks the Sharks don't have enough depth to field two competitive sides

Why do you always bring provincial kak into every post?

[TheNatalShark]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

"Prediction of the Kings coach." Some mighty source there. Must the shortest "article" I've ever laid eyes on.

I highly doubt such a competition would omit the 2020 Superugby table toppers the Sharks.

[Chilli]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

Hi Jens

[Chilli]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

"Prediction of the Kings coach." Some mighty source there. Must the shortest "article" I've ever laid eyes on.

I highly doubt such a competition would omit the 2020 Superugby table toppers the Sharks.

So we agree Ox, it will be bye bye Lions then.

[assfly]

Lood out for 6 months.

Eben and Handre also on the injured list.

[‘tsek]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

Hi Jens

Still not Jens though. Would really like a a salient argument regarding why the Lions should go.

[Chilli]

Why? Lions were (politically) forced over a barrel, came back from the wilderness and became the most successful SR SA franchise over the last couple of years, being runners up 3 times since 2016 and Curry Cup finalists last year. If you believe that actual performance has no place in decision making you have a bright future as a Province boardroom administrator.

Hi Jens

Still not Jens though. Would really like a a salient argument regarding why the Lions should go.

Well according to the article it will be the Lions or Sharks going.
The Sharks have to stay.
It would be best then to amalgamate the Lions and Bulls as they are geographically very close together.

[Chilli]

Lood out for 6 months.

Eben and Handre also on the injured list.

Eisch

Not good news at all.

[Blake]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

This notion of combining teams needs to be abandoned and quick. It didn't work in the past, and it won't work now.
Things should be merit based promotion/relegation. End of story.

SA should have 8 pro teams:
- WP
- Sharks
- Cheetahs
- Lions
- Bulls
- Kings
- Griquas
- Pumas

They should play in home and away Currie Cup fixtures to determine the rest of their season, and depending on how they finish, they either win a slot in:
- (2) A Super Rugby tournament against NZ and Aussie top finishers
- (4) A Pro XX slot against the Irish, Scottish and Welsh sides
- (2) A bunch of matches against some Tier 2 countries, either them touring here or our team touring there

This would actually get me interested in watching some of the matches other teams are not playing. As things are now I pretty much only watch WP/Stormers and Bulls games.
It would also add a ton of spice back to the Currie Cup.

[Sards]

Lood out for 6 months.

Eben and Handre also on the injured list.

Eisch

Not good news at all.

Talk of Amm leading in the RC so Bosch good to go. Bosxh has humiliated all the Kiwi flyhalves this year.

[assfly]

Yes I'm not a big fan of combining teams. I'd prefer the idea of promotion/relegation from Currie Cup to Pro18, even at the risk of my team losing out.

Not sure if we can talk about Kings being a pro team anymore, looks like they're done and dusted. I also feel sorry for Pumas and Griquas as the post-Covid economy will be tough on them to continue.

[Sards]

Yes I'm not a big fan of combining teams. I'd prefer the idea of promotion/relegation from Currie Cup to Pro18, even at the risk of my team losing out.

Not sure if we can talk about Kings being a pro team anymore, looks like they're done and dusted. I also feel sorry for Pumas and Griquas as the post-Covid economy will be tough on them to continue.

Things on a knife edge at WP too. Unless they agree to a deal very soon the star players will be looking at and finalizing contracts elsewhere. Although all Unions are already subscribed so they will be going abroad

[average joe]

It will be a blight on SA rugby if the Cheetahs, the perennial CC Champions humiliate all these big teams year in and year out in the CC but don't qualify for higher honours.

[assfly]

It will be a blight on SA rugby if the Cheetahs, the perennial CC Champions humiliate all these big teams year in and year out in the CC but don't qualify for higher honours.

Steady on. You came last in the Currie Cup in 2018 and didn't win a single game.

[average joe]

It will be a blight on SA rugby if the Cheetahs, the perennial CC Champions humiliate all these big teams year in and year out in the CC but don't qualify for higher honours.

Steady on. You came last in the Currie Cup in 2018 and didn't win a single game.

After the humiliation we dished out in 2016 we felt we had to lose a bit or no one would want to play us.

[Blake]

Yes I'm not a big fan of combining teams. I'd prefer the idea of promotion/relegation from Currie Cup to Pro18, even at the risk of my team losing out.

Not sure if we can talk about Kings being a pro team anymore, looks like they're done and dusted. I also feel sorry for Pumas and Griquas as the post-Covid economy will be tough on them to continue.

Same. It hurt when WP missed out out Super 12 in 1997, and because of how powerful they were as a Union, that gave rise of the franchises the next year, forcing the Lions & Cheetahs to combine.
But it was a mistake, the beginning of the end and this drive for expansion to include all the other South African teams left out in the cold.
We should learn from that and not repeat the mistake.

I think it is worth exploring just giving the team that misses out something else to compete in. That's where it fell flat. Back then, the teams and players that didn't get into Super Rugby were kind of stuck playing Vodacom Cup which meant less than nothing, and then a watered down Currie Cup. We need to flip that on its head and build relationships with all the other rugby nations, so that we can inject competitive teams into their established tournaments to keep things fresh for them as well.

[assfly]

I think it is worth exploring just giving the team that misses out something else to compete in. That's where it fell flat. Back then, the teams and players that didn't get into Super Rugby were kind of stuck playing Vodacom Cup which meant less than nothing, and then a watered down Currie Cup. We need to flip that on its head and build relationships with all the other rugby nations, so that we can inject competitive teams into their established tournaments to keep things fresh for them as well.

I would love to see them compete in the Africa Cup. If we're honest, playing against the likes of Zim, Kenya, Uganda, Tunisia, etc. is about their level and will make for some competitive games.

[‘tsek]

Hi Jens

Still not Jens though. Would really like a a salient argument regarding why the Lions should go.

Well according to the article it will be the Lions or Sharks going.
The Sharks have to stay.
It would be best then to amalgamate the Lions and Bulls as they are geographically very close together.

Right. So the gist off the argument is 'cause Robbi-with-an-i Kempson said so. What was his last job title? Director of High Performance at the Kings? Now that entitles him to a definitive opinion.

I don't purport to have the only solution, but to kill off one of the principal unions, be that Bulls, Lions, Sharks or whatever, would be extremely short sighted and forcing combinations will be detrimental to both teams. Options, we need options. Not a reduction in options.

[Sards]

I think it is worth exploring just giving the team that misses out something else to compete in. That's where it fell flat. Back then, the teams and players that didn't get into Super Rugby were kind of stuck playing Vodacom Cup which meant less than nothing, and then a watered down Currie Cup. We need to flip that on its head and build relationships with all the other rugby nations, so that we can inject competitive teams into their established tournaments to keep things fresh for them as well.

The Lions will disagree...if you want it bad enough you will work for it...this history of entitlement needs to end

[Sards]

Right. So the gist off the argument is 'cause Robbi-with-an-i Kempson said so. What was his last job title? Director of High Performance at the Kings? Now that entitles him to a definitive opinion.

He does come across as the spokesman

[Blake]

I think it is worth exploring just giving the team that misses out something else to compete in. That's where it fell flat. Back then, the teams and players that didn't get into Super Rugby were kind of stuck playing Vodacom Cup which meant less than nothing, and then a watered down Currie Cup. We need to flip that on its head and build relationships with all the other rugby nations, so that we can inject competitive teams into their established tournaments to keep things fresh for them as well.

I would love to see them compete in the Africa Cup. If we're honest, playing against the likes of Zim, Kenya, Uganda, Tunisia, etc. is about their level and will make for some competitive games.

Something like that would be perfect yes; and I would actually take an interest in watching it.
It gives us some Tier 2 development brownie points and keeps the lights on at those bottom ranked Unions with some commercial exposure for their sponsors.

[‘tsek]

Genuine question: how competitive would Zim et al be against Pumas/Griekwas?

[assfly]

Genuine question: how competitive would Zim et al be against Pumas/Griekwas?

I think it could be potentially quite even. Kenya is top-ranked in the Africa Cup at 32, they have some real stars in their team but only play a handful of international games a year. Up against a professional team like Pumas with their coaching and fitness would make it quite even.

[Chilli]

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... i-kempson/

So the Lions or Sharks could miss out of the PRO Whatever according to Kempson.

Lions should be absorbed into the Bulls.

This notion of combining teams needs to be abandoned and quick. It didn't work in the past, and it won't work now.
Things should be merit based promotion/relegation. End of story.

SA should have 8 pro teams:
- WP
- Sharks
- Cheetahs
- Lions
- Bulls
- Kings
- Griquas
- Pumas

They should play in home and away Currie Cup fixtures to determine the rest of their season, and depending on how they finish, they either win a slot in:
- (2) A Super Rugby tournament against NZ and Aussie top finishers
- (4) A Pro XX slot against the Irish, Scottish and Welsh sides
- (2) A bunch of matches against some Tier 2 countries, either them touring here or our team touring there

This would actually get me interested in watching some of the matches other teams are not playing. As things are now I pretty much only watch WP/Stormers and Bulls games.
It would also add a ton of spice back to the Currie Cup.

All good ideas.

[Sards]

Problem with that, as per Blake's own admission, you won't bother watching the other sides...just following the tournament your side is involved in.

Currie Cup
Soup reduced to 10
Northern comp for those not in Soup.
RC
Northern tour
RWC


Suits me
Don't have time for more

[Chilli]

Problem with that, as per Blake's own admission, you won't bother watching the other sides...just following the tournament your side is involved in.

Currie Cup
Soup reduced to 10
Northern comp for those not in Soup.
RC
Northern tour
RWC


Suits me
Don't have time for more

Replace RC with incoming your.

[Sandstorm]

I like the sound of an African Team Cup and if someone is smart enough to show it on a free to air TV channel....

[Chilli]

I like the sound of an African Team Cup and if someone is smart enough to show it on a free to air TV channel....

Wouldn't be a bad idea.

The SABC is broke.

[Blake]

I like the sound of an African Team Cup and if someone is smart enough to show it on a free to air TV channel....

That would be awesome actually. Give the lower ranked Currie Cup teams competing in the African Cup broader exposure by airing their matches on SABC, thereby growing their fanbase and warchests (merch, sponsors, advertising) to make them more competitive for the next season.

Too bad MultiChoice will never let that happen. Bastards have SARU completely locked down.

[Chilli]

I like the sound of an African Team Cup and if someone is smart enough to show it on a free to air TV channel....

That would be awesome actually. Give the lower ranked Currie Cup teams competing in the African Cup broader exposure by airing their matches on SABC, thereby growing their fanbase and warchests (merch, sponsors, advertising) to make them more competitive for the next season.

Too bad MultiChoice will never let that happen. Bastards have SARU completely locked down.

The SABC doesn't have the money to be the broadcaster.

[‘tsek]

I like the sound of an African Team Cup and if someone is smart enough to show it on a free to air TV channel....

That would be awesome actually. Give the lower ranked Currie Cup teams competing in the African Cup broader exposure by airing their matches on SABC, thereby growing their fanbase and warchests (merch, sponsors, advertising) to make them more competitive for the next season.

Too bad MultiChoice will never let that happen. Bastards have SARU completely locked down.

The SABC doesn't have the money to be the broadcaster.

Break the hegemony! Time for the Tanzania Broadcasting Corporation to step up and do it for Africa north of the Zambezi!

[assfly]

All local and international games here are broadcast live on TV.

This is the sort of thing SportsPesa should get behind. They've got the money.