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Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:21 pm Masi is responsible for making F1 and absolute farce this season

What a muppet.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:51 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:21 pm Masi is responsible for making F1 and absolute farce this season

What a muppet.

This.

The other muppet who should be sacked is Lewis’ race engineer. Shit decision after shit decision this year.

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:45 pm Messy again - though if it had been Max ahead with Lewis chasing I'm sure the Lewis fans would have wanted to have seen them race in the last lap.

Today Red Bull did all they could and prepared themselves in case the cards fell their way, Checo showed his class and great team work, and Max finished it off on the final lap.

One of them was always going to be unlucky at the end, and it was hard luck and a though finish for Hamilton, but lots of respect for Lewis and dad on their reaction at the end of the race.

Well done Max

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:58 pm I'm not sure why - but I am fair feckin raging about this. And I have no real reason as to why.

What a bizarre feeling to be so outraged about something that has exactly 0% meaning in my physical life.

Tomorrow I'll be 'meh'....but right now - I'm in punch Horner in the face mode.

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:38 pm Am I going to risk abuse if I say that Senna, Prost and Schumacher would never have let themselves be passed on that final lap?

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:38 pm Am I going to risk abuse if I say that Senna, Prost and Schumacher would never have let themselves be passed on that final lap?

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:24 pm

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

Hi Noob

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:21 pm Masi is responsible for making F1 and absolute farce this season

What a muppet.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:38 pm Am I going to risk abuse if I say that Senna, Prost and Schumacher would never have let themselves be passed on that final lap?

Well Lewis also avoided Max crashing into him on lap 1. But he had one win less than Max, so them both crashing out only helps the Dutchman.

I think Lewis also knew which way any 50/50 stewards decision was going to go today. He had to win clean.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

And you're extremely one-eyed, and I already know you're that kind of poster. Why on earth wouldn't I be bitter about a disgraceful miscarriage of justice? Verstappen did nothing on the track to deserve that win - it was handed to him by the officials who wanted an exciting final lap and were willing to sacrifice the laws and Hamilton's title to get it. It's hugely damaging for the credibility of a sport I once loved and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can look at it and go "ah, well, fair enough". By all means, cheer on your guy, but don't for a second pretend this was anything other than a title decided in his favour by the officials at the expense of the competition.

And I have to repeat, this is nothing to do with Max - I dislike him intensely, but I don't really care about his whinging today or his team's attitude. They basically did nothing wrong. It's the FIA that embarrassed themselves today. It was an appalling decision that was justified by the race director as them wanting a race - i.e. fuck the laws, they wanted some last lap excitement. Absolutely ridiculous.

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:00 pm Hamilton is fundamentally a (very) clean and neat driver. He doesn't have a win at all costs mentality.

It's a philosophy that has served him well.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:03 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:38 pm Am I going to risk abuse if I say that Senna, Prost and Schumacher would never have let themselves be passed on that final lap?

Well Lewis also avoided Max crashing into him on lap 1. But he had one win less than Max, so them both crashing out only helps the Dutchman.

I think Lewis also knew which way any 50/50 stewards decision was going to go today. He had to win clean.

I'm not sure that's a fair assessment - he got a 50/50 his way in that lap 1 incident.

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:21 pm Masi is responsible for making F1 and absolute farce this season

What a muppet.

It's not Masi's fault the two top teams continually broke rules, & forced decisions like this on him & the stewards !

Today wasn't an isolated incident; it was every race, on & off the track they've been acting like twats; both sides trying to use the rules, & stewards as weapons against other teams. It diminishes the sport; & if I were running Merc, I would have been on the phone to tell toto to wind his neck in, & stop damaging my brand !

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:24 pm

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

Hi Noob

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:06 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

And you're extremely one-eyed, and I already know you're that kind of poster. Why on earth wouldn't I be bitter about a disgraceful miscarriage of justice? Verstappen did nothing on the track to deserve that win - it was handed to him by the officials who wanted an exciting final lap and were willing to sacrifice the laws and Hamilton's title to get it. It's hugely damaging for the credibility of a sport I once loved and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can look at it and go "ah, well, fair enough". By all means, cheer on your guy, but don't for a second pretend this was anything other than a title decided in his favour by the officials at the expense of the competition.

And I have to repeat, this is nothing to do with Max - I dislike him intensely, but I don't really care about his whinging today or his team's attitude. They basically did nothing wrong. It's the FIA that embarrassed themselves today. It was an appalling decision that was justified by the race director as them wanting a race - i.e. fuck the laws, they wanted some last lap excitement. Absolutely ridiculous.

I think I detected some genuine animosity from Masi when he said sarcastically "It's called racing" to Wolff. I hope his bizarre decision wasn't fuelled by a basic dislike he has for Wolff but it didn't sound good.

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:06 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

And you're extremely one-eyed, and I already know you're that kind of poster. Why on earth wouldn't I be bitter about a disgraceful miscarriage of justice? Verstappen did nothing on the track to deserve that win - it was handed to him by the officials who wanted an exciting final lap and were willing to sacrifice the laws and Hamilton's title to get it. It's hugely damaging for the credibility of a sport I once loved and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can look at it and go "ah, well, fair enough". By all means, cheer on your guy, but don't for a second pretend this was anything other than a title decided in his favour by the officials at the expense of the competition.

And I have to repeat, this is nothing to do with Max - I dislike him intensely, but I don't really care about his whinging today or his team's attitude. They basically did nothing wrong. It's the FIA that embarrassed themselves today. It was an appalling decision that was justified by the race director as them wanting a race - i.e. fuck the laws, they wanted some last lap excitement. Absolutely ridiculous.

I think I detected some genuine animosity from Masi when he said sarcastically "It's called racing" to Wolff. I hope his bizarre decision wasn't fuelled by a basic dislike he has for Wolff but it didn't sound good.

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:07 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:00 pm Hamilton is fundamentally a (very) clean and neat driver. He doesn't have a win at all costs mentality.

It's a philosophy that has served him well.

Well yeah. The others I mentioned would have been more of the 'win on the track and dare them to disqualify me' school.

Ymx wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:01 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:24 pm

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:20 pm JM: you're very bitter - didn't think you were that kind of poster.

Hi Noob

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:08 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:06 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

And you're extremely one-eyed, and I already know you're that kind of poster. Why on earth wouldn't I be bitter about a disgraceful miscarriage of justice? Verstappen did nothing on the track to deserve that win - it was handed to him by the officials who wanted an exciting final lap and were willing to sacrifice the laws and Hamilton's title to get it. It's hugely damaging for the credibility of a sport I once loved and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can look at it and go "ah, well, fair enough". By all means, cheer on your guy, but don't for a second pretend this was anything other than a title decided in his favour by the officials at the expense of the competition.

And I have to repeat, this is nothing to do with Max - I dislike him intensely, but I don't really care about his whinging today or his team's attitude. They basically did nothing wrong. It's the FIA that embarrassed themselves today. It was an appalling decision that was justified by the race director as them wanting a race - i.e. fuck the laws, they wanted some last lap excitement. Absolutely ridiculous.

I think I detected some genuine animosity from Masi when he said sarcastically "It's called racing" to Wolff. I hope his bizarre decision wasn't fuelled by a basic dislike he has for Wolff but it didn't sound good.

I wonder if Carlos Sainz thought "it's called racing" when Masi decided that that lapped cars should stay between him and Verstappen.

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:11 pm

Ymx wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:01 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:24 pm

Hi Noob

Indeed

I have to admit that I don't take the foruming serious enough to remember all the different posters.
I only noticed yesterday that Torq has the maddest ref-complex of all time, though I probably will forget about that by next week.

But after that last post, I'll try and remember that JM is the nasty bitter one when it comes to sports.
We all have our biases, spite happens from time to time, and I don't blame anyone for fighting the corner of their favourite. But grown adults should be able to garner some form of respect and perspective, especially several hours after the event.

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:13 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:08 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:06 pm



I think I detected some genuine animosity from Masi when he said sarcastically "It's called racing" to Wolff. I hope his bizarre decision wasn't fuelled by a basic dislike he has for Wolff but it didn't sound good.

I wonder if Carlos Sainz thought "it's called racing" when Masi decided that that lapped cars should stay between him and Verstappen.

Had Sainz lapped them though?

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:09 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:06 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

And you're extremely one-eyed, and I already know you're that kind of poster. Why on earth wouldn't I be bitter about a disgraceful miscarriage of justice? Verstappen did nothing on the track to deserve that win - it was handed to him by the officials who wanted an exciting final lap and were willing to sacrifice the laws and Hamilton's title to get it. It's hugely damaging for the credibility of a sport I once loved and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can look at it and go "ah, well, fair enough". By all means, cheer on your guy, but don't for a second pretend this was anything other than a title decided in his favour by the officials at the expense of the competition.

And I have to repeat, this is nothing to do with Max - I dislike him intensely, but I don't really care about his whinging today or his team's attitude. They basically did nothing wrong. It's the FIA that embarrassed themselves today. It was an appalling decision that was justified by the race director as them wanting a race - i.e. fuck the laws, they wanted some last lap excitement. Absolutely ridiculous.

I think I detected some genuine animosity from Masi when he said sarcastically "It's called racing" to Wolff. I hope his bizarre decision wasn't fuelled by a basic dislike he has for Wolff but it didn't sound good.

The amount of pressure both Wolff and Horner have put the stewards under all year is disgraceful. It was bound to end badly, and will only continue. They both need to be be told to STFU more.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:14 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:13 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:08 pm

I wonder if Carlos Sainz thought "it's called racing" when Masi decided that that lapped cars should stay between him and Verstappen.

Had Sainz lapped them though?

Don't actually know the answer to that, but Verstappen hadn't lapped the ones ahead of him, so I'm not sure it matters.

Ymx wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:13 pm Don’t worry Sal, JM is definitely over it.

Ymx wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:13 pm Don’t worry Sal, JM is definitely over it.

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:16 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:14 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:13 pm

Had Sainz lapped them though?

Don't actually know the answer to that, but Verstappen hadn't lapped the ones ahead of him, so I'm not sure it matters.

Well if Verstappen hadn't lapped them then Sainz couldn't have either could he.

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:08 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:02 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:21 pm Masi is responsible for making F1 and absolute farce this season

What a muppet.

It's not Masi's fault the two top teams continually broke rules, & forced decisions like this on him & the stewards !

Today wasn't an isolated incident; it was every race, on & off the track they've been acting like twats; both sides trying to use the rules, & stewards as weapons against other teams. It diminishes the sport; & if I were running Merc, I would have been on the phone to tell toto to wind his neck in, & stop damaging my brand !

Do you seriously think Wolff has been the aggressor?!

salanya wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:17 pm
I have no doubt there'd be very similar comments/processes if Masi had left the safety car out till the end to give Hamilton the free pass for the championship.