The Rugby Championship

[bok_viking]

The ref seem to suddenly miss anything Argentina does in the 2nd half

[_Os_]

Arendse on...Willie off. So looks like Frans will see out the match at 10. Oh well.

Willie hasn't been good today. Let in the second Pumas try and got greedy in the first half and went for the line himself and got held up.

Ref has been not great, Argie knocked on that Frans restart and the Pumas got a 22 drop out, also Frans got tackled high in the attack when Duane came on and the Boks got nothing. Turned momentum in those few minutes.

[Dan54]

I’ve changed my thinking.

Wallabies will break the Eden Park hoodoo this week. Anything different would go right against the grain of Fozzie’s groundbreaking record.

Geez Guy, seems your tipping is not to good mate. I know you really want AB s to lose, but sometimes they don't listen.

[Blake]

Arendse on...Willie off. So looks like Frans will see out the match at 10. Oh well.

Willie hasn't been good day. Let in the second Pumas try and got greedy in the first half and went for the line himself and got held up.

Ref has been not great, Argie knocked on that Frans restart and the Pumas got a 22 drop out, also Frans got tackled high in the attack when Duane came on and the Boks got nothing. Turned momentum in those few minutes.

Agree that Willie has been shit at 15 today; but Frans has also been bad. His kicking out of hand in play has been too deep. Was hoping if Willie was given 30 mins at 10 we'd run everything.

I'd have been happy if Willie went to 10, Frans to 12 and Arendse went to 15.
DDA can fuck off to Japan or something. He is like a black hole for any creative play trying to develop around him.

[Ymx]

Feels like they’ve given up on the chase.

[Blake]

Eben should get a yellow for that push.

The kick was fucking stupid. We need to be able to switch out of that mindset when we are chasing a game or, like in this case, a score.

[OomStruisbaai]

Arendse on...Willie off. So looks like Frans will see out the match at 10. Oh well.

Willie hasn't been good day. Let in the second Pumas try and got greedy in the first half and went for the line himself and got held up.

Ref has been not great, Argie knocked on that Frans restart and the Pumas got a 22 drop out, also Frans got tackled high in the attack when Duane came on and the Boks got nothing. Turned momentum in those few minutes.

Agree that Willie has been shit at 15 today; but Frans has also been bad. His kicking out of hand in play has been too deep. Was hoping if Willie was given 30 mins at 10 we'd run everything.

I'd have been happy if Willie went to 10, Frans to 12 and Arendse went to 15.
DDA can fuck off to Japan or something. He is like a black hole for any creative play trying to develop around him.

You lot keep critizing Damian Willemse. Today you can see the difference he make on defense and specifically attacking.

[bok_viking]

What call is that? Players who get in the way get pushed all the time

[Blake]

You lot keep critizing Damian Willemse. Today you can see the difference he make on defense and specifically attacking.

I've been a very vocal fan of Willemse since he put in some stellar performances at 12 against the Lions

[PCPhil]

Games feel like rugby when Eben gets a card.

[_Os_]

Eben should get a yellow for that push.

You've lost it as much as the refs have! The player Eben gave a nothing push was stationary by the time the Pumas player started jumping. Insane call.

[Sards]

Willie hasn't been good day. Let in the second Pumas try and got greedy in the first half and went for the line himself and got held up.

Ref has been not great, Argie knocked on that Frans restart and the Pumas got a 22 drop out, also Frans got tackled high in the attack when Duane came on and the Boks got nothing. Turned momentum in those few minutes.

Agree that Willie has been shit at 15 today; but Frans has also been bad. His kicking out of hand in play has been too deep. Was hoping if Willie was given 30 mins at 10 we'd run everything.

I'd have been happy if Willie went to 10, Frans to 12 and Arendse went to 15.
DDA can fuck off to Japan or something. He is like a black hole for any creative play trying to develop around him.

You lot keep critizing Damian Willemse. Today you can see the difference he make on defense and specifically attacking.

Libbok should have been there

[bok_viking]

The boks need a new attack coach that is obvious. But DDA also does not seem to be able to spread the ball well in attack, DDA and Kriel together play exactly the same

[Ymx]

Looks like we’ve got it for sure now.

Never doubted you Foster.

[Insane_Homer]

The boks need a new attack coach that is obvious. But DDA also does not seem to be able to spread the ball well in attack, DDA and Kriel together play exactly the same

Whatever happened to Serfontein?

[bok_viking]

The boks need a new attack coach that is obvious. But DDA also does not seem to be able to spread the ball well in attack, DDA and Kriel together play exactly the same

Whatever happened to Serfontein?

Playing pretty well in Europe. But DDA seem to be unmoveable even though he has not had a decent game for a long time, since the WC in my opinion. Could just as well put one if our loosies at 12 and get the same effect unfortunately.

[bok_viking]

What did Argentina give the ref at half time, he really is blind to anything they do now.

[Sards]

I just keep on thinking how much pressure we put on our side with our expectations. However, considering how poor ( and sublime) Aus, Argentina and NZ have been, it's still a pass but there are a lot of concerns over our backline.

[_Os_]

Oh well. You're not getting maximum value out of being a supporter if you don't believe they can do what needs to be done in matches like that, even if the chance is remote.

Boks lost the title at Ellis Park, feared that would be the case at the time, it was a bad loss.

Well done to the ABs winning the title even when they weren't at their best.

[boere wors]

The boks need a new attack coach that is obvious. But DDA also does not seem to be able to spread the ball well in attack, DDA and Kriel together play exactly the same

Whatever happened to Serfontein?

he is playing really well for years but is out of favor for the boks somehow. he should be our backup 13 instead of kriel.

[Ymx]

Oh well. You're not getting maximum value out of being a supporter if you don't believe they can do what needs to be done in matches like that, even if the chance is remote.

Boks lost the title at Ellis Park, feared that would be the case at the time, it was a bad loss.

Well done to the ABs winning the title even when they weren't at their best.

It’s been a blockbuster this RC.

Best comp in the world!

[OomStruisbaai]

The Boks lost it when they keep kicking vokken up and unders

The ball went once to the wings and we score. We won't win the WC playing this stupid kicking kak. Vok we have excellent wings. We need Willense in 10 or 12 who can off load and step and give space to the likes of KLA/Mapimpi/ Kolbey exct. Willie must vokof, vokken clown.

[OomStruisbaai]

Geluk All Blacks. Deserved TRC champions.

[Ymx]

The Boks lost it when they keep kicking vokken up and unders

The ball went once to the wings and we score. We won't win the WC playing this stupid kicking kak. Vok we have excellent wings. We need Willense in 10 or 12 who can off load and step and give space to the likes of KLA/Mapimpi/ Kolbey exct. Willie must vokof, vokken clown.

I don’t know about that, there are no bonus points in the knock outs.

[bok_viking]

The Boks lost it when they keep kicking vokken up and unders

The ball went once to the wings and we score. We won't win the WC playing this stupid kicking kak. Vok we have excellent wings. We need Willense in 10 or 12 who can off load and step and give space to the likes of KLA/Mapimpi/ Kolbey exct. Willie must vokof, vokken clown.

I don’t know about that, there are no bonus points in the knock outs.

The boks play the kind of rugby that give them a good chance to win knockouts. But not the type of game to chase points. Our backline seems like they do not know each other. Always getting in each other's way or overrruning passes. Very frustrating. We will always have a chance in one off games in the WC. But we need a lot of personel changes after the WC.

[Blake]

Eben should get a yellow for that push.

You've lost it as much as the refs have! The player Eben gave a nothing push was stationary by the time the Pumas player started jumping. Insane call.

I meant should as in “going to” not as “deserves to”.

With the laws regarding player safety policed as they are now, it was always going to be a card.

It’s something that is drastically making the “low risk, high percentage” kick-chase game the Boks are playing significantly more high risk and Nienaber and Rassie should recheck their sums.

It cost us a card in first test and a ban for Arendse. Looking back it set off a chain reaction of stop gaps and out of position plays. The only good thing to come of it was Moodie’s debut. And today it cost us another card. It’s a dumb strategy that needs to evolve. It’s holding us back now.

[Sards]

Congratulations to the ABs for winning the tournament. Outstanding effort against Australia. I really enjoyed watching that game. Ended up 22 points better than the Springboks

[Sards]

Keo already has a " rate the ref " article up sucking in that whinging Springbok supporter we have become. I really have no words for the perception it has created in world rugby. Trust me guys. We are not all like that

[Sards]

The one Keo response

There is a conspiracy against the Springboks. Look at the facts. Look at the percentage of TMO interventions when the Springboks score a try compared to the ABs

[Guy Smiley]

Keo already has a " rate the ref " article up sucking in that whinging Springbok supporter we have become. I really have no words for the perception it has created in world rugby. Trust me guys. We are not all like that

I think the Australians are the worst.

[OomStruisbaai]

The one Keo response

There is a conspiracy against the Springboks. Look at the facts. Look at the percentage of TMO interventions when the Springboks score a try compared to the ABs

You are the same. Not long ago you post about the conspiracy the ref and tmo had eith the Stormers.

Keep on reading Keo kak.

[Certain Navigator]

Ah, of course, I was wondering why they didn’t take the 3. They were gunning for the BP to keep RC in check.

So both NZ and SA at the top with 14 points.

Aus back with 10.

Arg on 9, who are out.

Aus needs to win with BP, and need Puma to beat the boks.

Between NZ and SA
SA are 13 points behind in for and against. So if they beat the pumas with BP and NZ don’t beat Aus with BP, then SA wins.

Or if only one of the two win they win the RC.

So, it will all come down to last match. Massive advantage here in playing second.

Got to say Boks are favourites to take the title now.

I doubt if the TAB would agree. The ABs are (i) in front and (ii) at Eden Park, so the odds must surely favour them. Last year it was 57-22 to the ABs at Auckland, which if repeated this year would require SA to beat Argentina by 49 points!

Basically, everything needs to go well for the Boks while it only needs to go as expected for the ABs. Which obviously doesn't mean the Boks won't win, but the balance of probabilities don't favour them.

Boks v Pumas is the last match. If the All Blacks win with a bonus point, the Boks will know what they need to do. Could be worth a winning margin bet, we've seen teams get improbably high scores before when they know they're required.

That's the difference between probably and possibly.

[_Os_]

That's the difference between probably and possibly.

[Deepsouth]

Keo already has a " rate the ref " article up sucking in that whinging Springbok supporter we have become. I really have no words for the perception it has created in world rugby. Trust me guys. We are not all like that

I think the Australians are the worst.

Nah the sheep shaggers are the worst.

At having massive chips on the shoulder. We know you hate Australia. It's really boring.
About time you acted your age old old man.....

[Guy Smiley]

Keo already has a " rate the ref " article up sucking in that whinging Springbok supporter we have become. I really have no words for the perception it has created in world rugby. Trust me guys. We are not all like that

I think the Australians are the worst.

Nah the sheep shaggers are the worst.

At having massive chips on the shoulder. We know you hate Australia. It's really boring.
About time you acted your age old old man.....

I made the mistake of engaging in some spitefest with you a few months back, forgetting that the vibe in this place is centred on not having those aggro shitfights.

That sort of stuff belongs on PR and if it's what you're looking for, you'd be better off posting there.

I don't hate Australia. I have an Australian passport and lived there for 33 years. My daughter is at uni in Melbourne. I still have heaps of close friends around the country.

I just know the character and the landscape. Over recent years, partly fuelled by Foxsports and their terrible coverage of Union when they had the rights, Australian Union fans have shifted into a victim mentality when the results don't go their way and the near universal howling about referees ruining the game after every loss is blind to the faults in the players decision making, skills or ability. To generalise, it's always the crooked ref ripping you lot off and never simply your own fault for losing.

Xenophobia is your Great National Trait. You hate anything that's different. The neighbours, the next street, the next suburb, city, state or country. It's the great secret of the AFL's success... growing a suburban competition with its bitter rivalries and turning it into a national success story feeding on the hate between the different states involved.

You're a nation of flat track bullies who crow loud and long when you're winning and disappear when you've lost, whinging all the way.


Before you get all wound up with that other great Australian past time, whataboutery... yeah, we've got some fuckwits over here in NZ too. Everyone has them. We just don't get all defensive and shouty about it like you lot do.

[OomStruisbaai]

Ref blaming after a loss is a no go. Blaming the coach is OK. Blaming the players fine. Giving credit to the opposition is rugby culture and awesome.

[average joe]

Nah, criticising the officiating is sometimes necessary. The officiating this RC has been shit across the board. There was some really fucked up calls In most of the games. If WR is made to believe this level of officiating is acceptable, I fear we're going to have a pretty crap WC.

[assfly]

Congratulations All Blacks.

The numbers don't lie, the final table is a fair reflection of where all four teams are.

Fine margins for the Boks, but like Os says that loss at Ellis Park is one of the worst in our recent history and came back to bite us in the end.

That was a pretty awful game in the end, with some pretty awful officiating which seems to have become the norm in this competition.

[OomStruisbaai]

Nah, criticising the officiating is sometimes necessary. The officiating this RC has been shit across the board. There was some really fucked up calls In most of the games. If WR is made to believe this level of officiating is acceptable, I fear we're going to have a pretty crap WC.

You didn't read my post well. Criticism after a loss is a no go. Sound like sour grapes, bad loser mentality. Most of these cockroach supporters never criticise after a win.
The ref bashers forgot the actual play and kak in their pants after the ref make a mistake. Why don't they critise their own players not adopting to the refs? They bokken get paid to study them and play to their officiating. Richie McCaw was the example of a captain communication with the refs in a professional manner.

Aki nearly bliksem the ref on Saturday after his red card. Do you want to see this soccer behaviour of players shouting at officials? White another example. It's a cancer in the modern game.

[Guy Smiley]

Nah, criticising the officiating is sometimes necessary. The officiating this RC has been shit across the board. There was some really fucked up calls In most of the games. If WR is made to believe this level of officiating is acceptable, I fear we're going to have a pretty crap WC.

You didn't read my post well. Criticism after a loss is a no go. Sound like sour grapes, bad loser mentality. Most of these cockroach supporters never criticise after a win.
The ref bashers forgot the actual play and kak in their pants after the ref make a mistake. Why don't they critise their own players not adopting to the refs? They bokken get paid to study them and play to their officiating. Richie McCaw was the example of a captain communication with the refs in a professional manner.

Aki nearly bliksem the ref on Saturday after his red card. Do you want to see this soccer behaviour of players shouting at officials? White another example. It's a cancer in the modern game.

Good post, Oom.

I like to discuss the calls made during a game afterwards because you can really learn something that way. Win or lose, it's interesting and some games just demand a discussion for one reason or another... but that's different to just slagging the ref off. The Raynal decision in Melbourne is a great example... drill down into it and it's a good call, even if it's unusual. Brave ref... but he's been crucified for it.