Paddington Bear wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 12:59 am
It is also pretty straightforward to cut out - as he points out in his video TfL staff don’t want to know, the police couldn’t give less of a shit if you have something stolen, somehow the police can’t work out that the small town I live in can’t support four vape shops and three Turkish barbers etc.
I have sympathy with staff here. Say they do confront a suspected fare dodger, even if that person just ignores them and tries to carry one, what's a staff member actually to do? They can't detain the dodger. Worst case, the dodger turns violent just at the verbal confrontation.
If I were staff I wouldn't be banking on police response times to help me out in either scenario.
More widely on shoplifting, since you mentioned the lunacy of having to lock up deoderant, you'll find very few 'have a go heroes' on minimum wage and that's without corporate policy being not to engage because they fear lawsuits either from injured employees or injured shoplifters more than lifted inventory and the cost of additional security measures.
The police being a mix of unwilling and unable to do much about petty crime is a big problem for sure. You hear about people with air tagged property that's been stolen or a phone with it's locater on, so the victim can provide precise whereabouts for the police of their item and likely the thief (thieves), yet still there's zero interest from the plod.
The primary responsibility is absolutely on the police, and everything else is downstream of them actually doing their jobs, for a change. This stuff doesn’t seem to bother them at all and they don’t seem to realise it presages greater criminality to come
It's not the police PB, say that they arrest 2% of the shoplifters, the CPS is overstretched so couldn’t bring charges anyway but let's say they do 12-18 months on bail before a court date (longer with more arrests) and then there's no prisons able to take them. And they go to prison which are so understaffed they come out worse than they went it.
The Tories absolutely gutted the prison estate, massively number of courts, gutted the CPS and legal aid industry, gutted the police. They have collapsed the justice system.
Rob Jenrick is a corrupt prick and he's pointing to a problem he was instrumental in creating.
There’s a good chance that aforementioned Tory corruption issues will mean no one takes him too seriously.
With this said, it is undeniable that petty crime has exploded since covid (again of course particularly under the Tories). My life is made worse and more miserable on a day to day basis by the constant fare dodging (it’s always existed but it used to be the preserve of teenagers, drunks and the dregs), vaping/loud music on public transport, phone/bag/bike theft in central London, shoplifting and blatant money laundering on the high street. We’re heading to an inflection point which has happened in other countries where it becomes irrational to *not* engage in fare dodging etc., which is a really dangerous place for a society to be.
It is also just miserable - I had to get a shop assistant to unlock a bottle of deodorant for me in Watford the other day, that’s not how a developed society should work, and importantly it never used to be like this. To the extent he says petty law breaking is out of control, he is clearly correct and the British left should learn fast from their American counterparts that no one (not least their own voters) finds this stuff cool, funny or a non-issue. It matters and could kill Labour even if they do sort out say the NHS.
It is also pretty straightforward to cut out - as he points out in his video TfL staff don’t want to know, the police couldn’t give less of a shit if you have something stolen, somehow the police can’t work out that the small town I live in can’t support four vape shops and three Turkish barbers etc.
There’s both a genuine issue here and a real political opportunity to exploit it, hard to criticise the Shadow Justice Sec for doing something that is basically the definition of his job. There is of course the open question of why they let this happen in office and his party’s involvement in large scale corruption and losses to the Treasury.
Jenrick had his media spad filming it to use on social media to enhance his chances of replacing Badenoch. Been doing a l;ot of that the past couple of months.
Pure naked ambition and nothing else.
Being an opposition politician is all about being opportunistic and trying to grab a headline. As it happens he is absolutely right on this point, and raising its salience makes it more likely the government might crack down on it which would make all of our lives better. We don’t have to live with the petty crime we deal with now every day - we didn’t five years ago
He's right with a caveat. There is talk about how difficult it is to work given the costs of childcare, there's very little thought given to costs of transport. And we do want people who can't afford to travel to go to work, and that needs some thought, not some opportunistic grifting (whether by those who can afford to travel or opportunistic would be leaders of a dying political party)
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 10:09 am
by lemonhead
Worth knowing what the Plod are up to as well.
Much as I used love Fat, Sweaty Coppers segment of the Fast Show there's a numbers problem there. Ignoring courts and prisons for a second - last time I'd a bike nicked and someone at the Met tried to help track the guy down was twenty odd years ago. Came to nothing, but appreciated the work put in. There were 165000 coppers in the UK at that time, now 170000. So 5000 added to an extra 10,000,000 population
Add in how happy and prosperous today's society is; morale; admin overload and the sheer feckin time it takes bringing people into custardy of an evening (worked in back office for 2 years), I'd be curious how much actual free time they have knocking around these days. Enough for apathy? Not bloody likely.
SaintK wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 7:26 am
Jenrick had his media spad filming it to use on social media to enhance his chances of replacing Badenoch. Been doing a l;ot of that the past couple of months.
Pure naked ambition and nothing else.
Being an opposition politician is all about being opportunistic and trying to grab a headline. As it happens he is absolutely right on this point, and raising its salience makes it more likely the government might crack down on it which would make all of our lives better. We don’t have to live with the petty crime we deal with now every day - we didn’t five years ago
But you can't do it if you were part of a Party that during their time in Office: Reduced Police numbers, added no prison spaces, presided over the dumpster fire that is the Courts & Probation system, & cut the funding to hundreds of programs which were trying to divert youngsters away from criminal activities while they could still be saved.
You might not have to be Caesars wife, but equally you can't be the whore of Babylon & expect people to listen to you pontificate about a state of affairs you created without retching at the hypocrisy.
Said pretty much the same in my first post - doesn’t mean he’s wrong (he’s right). Hardly the first politician from a party that took a battering at an election to be introspective as to why and try and turn it round. Appreciate you don’t want the Tories around but what are you expecting him to do in opposition, walk around in sackcloth?
SaintK wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 7:26 am
Jenrick had his media spad filming it to use on social media to enhance his chances of replacing Badenoch. Been doing a l;ot of that the past couple of months.
Pure naked ambition and nothing else.
Being an opposition politician is all about being opportunistic and trying to grab a headline. As it happens he is absolutely right on this point, and raising its salience makes it more likely the government might crack down on it which would make all of our lives better. We don’t have to live with the petty crime we deal with now every day - we didn’t five years ago
He's right with a caveat. There is talk about how difficult it is to work given the costs of childcare, there's very little thought given to costs of transport. And we do want people who can't afford to travel to go to work, and that needs some thought, not some opportunistic grifting (whether by those who can afford to travel or opportunistic would be leaders of a dying political party)
I live on the outer edges of TfL and my commute costs £14 a day, roughly one hour of minimum wage work. Not saying it’s nothing, but for someone working (as is your point), this is not an anytime return to Manchester Piccadilly. This is also substantially more than just about any Londoner is paying to travel as I live on the edge of the network. Anyone working can and should be paying for their travel.
Being an opposition politician is all about being opportunistic and trying to grab a headline. As it happens he is absolutely right on this point, and raising its salience makes it more likely the government might crack down on it which would make all of our lives better. We don’t have to live with the petty crime we deal with now every day - we didn’t five years ago
But you can't do it if you were part of a Party that during their time in Office: Reduced Police numbers, added no prison spaces, presided over the dumpster fire that is the Courts & Probation system, & cut the funding to hundreds of programs which were trying to divert youngsters away from criminal activities while they could still be saved.
You might not have to be Caesars wife, but equally you can't be the whore of Babylon & expect people to listen to you pontificate about a state of affairs you created without retching at the hypocrisy.
Said pretty much the same in my first post - doesn’t mean he’s wrong (he’s right). Hardly the first politician from a party that took a battering at an election to be introspective as to why and try and turn it round. Appreciate you don’t want the Tories around but what are you expecting him to do in opposition, walk around in sackcloth?
Ironically in breach of the TfL rules by filming without permission in TfL property...
Being an opposition politician is all about being opportunistic and trying to grab a headline. As it happens he is absolutely right on this point, and raising its salience makes it more likely the government might crack down on it which would make all of our lives better. We don’t have to live with the petty crime we deal with now every day - we didn’t five years ago
But you can't do it if you were part of a Party that during their time in Office: Reduced Police numbers, added no prison spaces, presided over the dumpster fire that is the Courts & Probation system, & cut the funding to hundreds of programs which were trying to divert youngsters away from criminal activities while they could still be saved.
You might not have to be Caesars wife, but equally you can't be the whore of Babylon & expect people to listen to you pontificate about a state of affairs you created without retching at the hypocrisy.
Said pretty much the same in my first post - doesn’t mean he’s wrong (he’s right). Hardly the first politician from a party that took a battering at an election to be introspective as to why and try and turn it round. Appreciate you don’t want the Tories around but what are you expecting him to do in opposition, walk around in sackcloth?
I expect him to not act like an angry old man shouting at clouds, but act like what he wants to be, "Leader of the Opposition" !
I had a boss early in my career who once rebuked me not to just bring him problems, because he expected me to know enough to also bring some proposed solutions to fix the problem, that's the bare minimum I expect from Jenrick.
How does he propose tfl reduce fare dodging ?
How do they staff it & fund the staff ?
But that would require the Tories having policies, & Badenoch still hasn't produced any, because once you write it down other Parties get to pull it apart, & point out how your new policy is you promising to undo all the shit you did when you were last in Government.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 2:13 pm
by Biffer
I see Liz Truss is doubling down on the completely fucking bonkers line.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:16 am
by lemonhead
Biffer wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 2:13 pm
I see Liz Truss is doubling down on the completely fucking bonkers line.
The way things are going, you couldn't rule out the Wrath of Lettuce getting another airing.
One thing forestalling is she remains so damn awkward:
A lot of voters will not look back o his lying, corruption, laziness and incompetence with fondness. And last time out the retard vote wasn't being syphoned off by UKIP as Reform look to be now
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 2:03 pm
by SaintK
Biffer wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 2:13 pm
I see Liz Truss is doubling down on the completely fucking bonkers line.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
That depends on how lazy he is. He's got his name on the Eton board of Prime Ministers, he gets a load of cash for having been PM, his opinion pieces which he spaffs out when on his second bottle and turning up as guest speaker at whatever event is mad enough to pay, and his every move is no longer scrutinised by the media.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
Met my brother's girlfriend's parents in 2022 when all the sleaze and corruption of the Johnson government had reached it's apex. I can't remember exactly how, but the conversation skirted towards politics and the father brought up Johnson thusly, 'Boris is a good chap isn't he?'. Absolutely gobsmacked. I have no idea how, but the bumblecunt has an incredible sway over some people.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
Met my brother's girlfriend's parents in 2022 when all the sleaze and corruption of the Johnson government had reached it's apex. I can't remember exactly how, but the conversation skirted towards politics and the father brought up Johnson thusly, 'Boris is a good chap isn't he?'. Absolutely gobsmacked. I have no idea how, but the bumblecunt has an incredible sway over some people.
I've been saying it for years, this man is in possession of some sort of science fictiony magic amulet.
I suppose there's a couple different ways I can see this going:
He seriously wants to be the hero, so coming back to save to tory party.
He is obsessed with power,, smells the wind so joins reform.
He is lazy, so stays at home.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
Met my brother's girlfriend's parents in 2022 when all the sleaze and corruption of the Johnson government had reached it's apex. I can't remember exactly how, but the conversation skirted towards politics and the father brought up Johnson thusly, 'Boris is a good chap isn't he?'. Absolutely gobsmacked. I have no idea how, but the bumblecunt has an incredible sway over some people.
Something to do with attention to detail.
He has none and most of his supporters remember the overall 'Wuffles' act or getting stuck up a zipwire more avidly than anything he's done in office.
A bit like his leadership style, he certainly may have been in the room when big things got decided but some other shithead jockeying for position probably fudged things up. Not dear BoJo. He's an affable sort, if a bit of a cheeky rascal/scamp/scallywag.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:42 pm
by SaintK
C T wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:49 am
He seriously wants to be the hero, so coming back to save to tory party.
He is obsessed with power,, smells the wind so joins reform.
He is lazy, so stays at home.
He is also a coward so will not go anywhere near a constituency unless he's guaranteed to win.
Currently at a guess there are probably only a very few potentially guaranteed safe seats.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
Met my brother's girlfriend's parents in 2022 when all the sleaze and corruption of the Johnson government had reached it's apex. I can't remember exactly how, but the conversation skirted towards politics and the father brought up Johnson thusly, 'Boris is a good chap isn't he?'. Absolutely gobsmacked. I have no idea how, but the bumblecunt has an incredible sway over some people.
There was a Brexit event that really stand to for me, Boris turning up to a working class pub in Wolverhampton and the locals there being delighted to have him. People who'd have been dyed in the wool Labour voters for decades genuinely being thrilled to see him standing there with a pint, no notion he'd much rather be having nothing to do with them, their beer, their pork scratchings, he'd much rather be off with decent people drinking £250 bottles of Italian red.
But he certainly cuts across and manages to communicate, no matter it's mostly BS. Very similar to FagRage, only he might be happier with a pint than an Italian red
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:27 pm
by Hugo
Pertinent to what we were discussing a page or two ago - there has apparently been a big fare enforcement operation today in Richmond and Finsbury Park.
Tons of police, high vis, tickets being checked multiple times.
Count on it, or at the very least wistful nostalgia. Harking back to a simpler, gentler time. Heard three separate members of the public say so in the last year.
Not the hero we deserved. Or needed. But clearly still want so badly it hurts.
Met my brother's girlfriend's parents in 2022 when all the sleaze and corruption of the Johnson government had reached it's apex. I can't remember exactly how, but the conversation skirted towards politics and the father brought up Johnson thusly, 'Boris is a good chap isn't he?'. Absolutely gobsmacked. I have no idea how, but the bumblecunt has an incredible sway over some people.
There was a Brexit event that really stand to for me, Boris turning up to a working class pub in Wolverhampton and the locals there being delighted to have him. People who'd have been dyed in the wool Labour voters for decades genuinely being thrilled to see him standing there with a pint, no notion he'd much rather be having nothing to do with them, their beer, their pork scratchings, he'd much rather be off with decent people drinking £250 bottles of Italian red.
But he certainly cuts across and manages to communicate, no matter it's mostly BS. Very similar to FagRage, only he might be happier with a pint than an Italian red
One huge difference between Farage and Boris though, and that’s ability to achieve goals. For a one trick pony, farages success has been pretty incredible really as has his influence , whether you agree with him or not. Boris proved to just be pretty crap and best suited on a zip wire or pushing Chinese kids over at rugby. A great what if is if Covid hadn’t have happened , what would Boris have done - suspect it wouldn’t have made much difference to his tenure or lasting effect anyways.
Covid vaccine rollout and prompt help to Ukraine are his only slight plus points, and they will be forgetten before his zip line / kid pushing / party shagging buffoonery
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:54 pm
by Hugo
Has Farage ever achieved anything constructive though?
To me he's like a perennial opposition figure who appeals to people who are dismayed with the status quo. He's a unserious as Johnson imo.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:56 pm
by Slick
Hugo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:27 pm
Pertinent to what we were discussing a page or two ago - there has apparently been a big fare enforcement operation today in Richmond and Finsbury Park.
Tons of police, high vis, tickets being checked multiple times.
Was in an utterly dreadful hotel in Aberdeen last night and found myself watching “Catching the Fare Dodgers”, or similar. Utterly enthralling TV
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:57 pm
by Slick
Hugo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:54 pm
Has Farage ever achieved anything constructive though?
To me he's like a perennial opposition figure who appeals to people who are dismayed with the status quo. He's a unserious as Johnson imo.
Brexit?
Love him or loath him the guy has had a huge influence on U.K. politics over the last decade or so
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:41 am
by robmatic
Hugo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:54 pm
Has Farage ever achieved anything constructive though?
To me he's like a perennial opposition figure who appeals to people who are dismayed with the status quo. He's a unserious as Johnson imo.
I don't know if he is capable of achieving anything constructive but he has been a more effective opposition than the official opposition.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:48 am
by Tichtheid
Yeah, I'm more in the camp that states the guy has been very influential, but in a very destructive manner and it has brought politics and public discourse to a dangerous place. The reality is that his favourite topic with which to crawl into power, immigration, cannot be addressed without it being on a Europe-wide scale and we threw away any influence we had.
So in answer to Hugo, no he has done nothing constructive, quite the reverse.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:17 am
by Paddington Bear
Hugo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:27 pm
Pertinent to what we were discussing a page or two ago - there has apparently been a big fare enforcement operation today in Richmond and Finsbury Park.
Tons of police, high vis, tickets being checked multiple times.
As anyone who interacts with the British state these days knows, getting them to do their job requires you to point out that they are not currently doing it
Hugo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:54 pm
Has Farage ever achieved anything constructive though?
To me he's like a perennial opposition figure who appeals to people who are dismayed with the status quo. He's a unserious as Johnson imo.
I don't know if he is capable of achieving anything constructive but he has been a more effective opposition than the official opposition.
Has he? What legislation has he influenced?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:59 am
by Yeeb
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:48 am
Yeah, I'm more in the camp that states the guy has been very influential, but in a very destructive manner and it has brought politics and public discourse to a dangerous place. The reality is that his favourite topic with which to crawl into power, immigration, cannot be addressed without it being on a Europe-wide scale and we threw away any influence we had.
So in answer to Hugo, no he has done nothing constructive, quite the reverse.
Sorry but that is bollocks, Uk in theory has always had within its power the ability to effectively monitor its borders and immigration , the fact it wasn’t properly thought out or policed since Labour post war act opened the gate either before , during, or now after Eu & EEC membership , it’s a matter of great shame to every govt since ww2. That throwing away any influence we had like is complete crap for Uk immigration, but completely correct for Immigration policies and coordination across Europe (where 99.9% of the poolshitters come from on their last leg of the journey)
Fwiw I’m firmly in the camp that had EU had proper immigration controls (especially in the France into uk dinghy thing) in the first place, none of Brexit would have happened at all and was certainly my main reason for leaving.
Hugo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:54 pm
Has Farage ever achieved anything constructive though?
To me he's like a perennial opposition figure who appeals to people who are dismayed with the status quo. He's a unserious as Johnson imo.
I don't know if he is capable of achieving anything constructive but he has been a more effective opposition than the official opposition.
Has he? What legislation has he influenced?
European Union (Withdrawal) Act? I’m sorry you don’t have to like the guy but to pretend he has not been hugely influential is comical
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:32 am
by Tichtheid
I see Badenoch is talking up leaving the ECHR, joining such intellectual titans as Rees Mogg in doing so. I saw a video yesterday, or perhaps Tuesday of Michael Heseltine giving JRM a kicking on the subject.
Met my brother's girlfriend's parents in 2022 when all the sleaze and corruption of the Johnson government had reached it's apex. I can't remember exactly how, but the conversation skirted towards politics and the father brought up Johnson thusly, 'Boris is a good chap isn't he?'. Absolutely gobsmacked. I have no idea how, but the bumblecunt has an incredible sway over some people.
There was a Brexit event that really stand to for me, Boris turning up to a working class pub in Wolverhampton and the locals there being delighted to have him. People who'd have been dyed in the wool Labour voters for decades genuinely being thrilled to see him standing there with a pint, no notion he'd much rather be having nothing to do with them, their beer, their pork scratchings, he'd much rather be off with decent people drinking £250 bottles of Italian red.
But he certainly cuts across and manages to communicate, no matter it's mostly BS. Very similar to FagRage, only he might be happier with a pint than an Italian red
One huge difference between Farage and Boris though, and that’s ability to achieve goals. For a one trick pony, farages success has been pretty incredible really as has his influence , whether you agree with him or not. Boris proved to just be pretty crap and best suited on a zip wire or pushing Chinese kids over at rugby. A great what if is if Covid hadn’t have happened , what would Boris have done - suspect it wouldn’t have made much difference to his tenure or lasting effect anyways.
Covid vaccine rollout and prompt help to Ukraine are his only slight plus points, and they will be forgetten before his zip line / kid pushing / party shagging buffoonery
In power FagRage would be some mix of Truss and Boris, but also with enough drinking to make Charlie Kennedy want to have a quiet word
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:28 pm
by SaintK
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:32 am
I see Badenoch is talking up leaving the ECHR, joining such intellectual titans as Rees Mogg in doing so. I saw a video yesterday, or perhaps Tuesday of Michael Heseltine giving JRM a kicking on the subject.
There was a Brexit event that really stand to for me, Boris turning up to a working class pub in Wolverhampton and the locals there being delighted to have him. People who'd have been dyed in the wool Labour voters for decades genuinely being thrilled to see him standing there with a pint, no notion he'd much rather be having nothing to do with them, their beer, their pork scratchings, he'd much rather be off with decent people drinking £250 bottles of Italian red.
But he certainly cuts across and manages to communicate, no matter it's mostly BS. Very similar to FagRage, only he might be happier with a pint than an Italian red
One huge difference between Farage and Boris though, and that’s ability to achieve goals. For a one trick pony, farages success has been pretty incredible really as has his influence , whether you agree with him or not. Boris proved to just be pretty crap and best suited on a zip wire or pushing Chinese kids over at rugby. A great what if is if Covid hadn’t have happened , what would Boris have done - suspect it wouldn’t have made much difference to his tenure or lasting effect anyways.
Covid vaccine rollout and prompt help to Ukraine are his only slight plus points, and they will be forgetten before his zip line / kid pushing / party shagging buffoonery
In power FagRage would be some mix of Truss and Boris, but also with enough drinking to make Charlie Kennedy want to have a quiet word
Doubt Farage would be that bad, A. Because it would objectively be difficult to be as worse as those, and B. Whilst not Gordon gecko he did work in the city for 20+ years metals broker iirc.
There really should be a thing where people have to have actually worked at something before they become politicians , world seemed to go to shit only when career politicians became a thing.
Yeeb wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:34 pm
One huge difference between Farage and Boris though, and that’s ability to achieve goals. For a one trick pony, farages success has been pretty incredible really as has his influence , whether you agree with him or not. Boris proved to just be pretty crap and best suited on a zip wire or pushing Chinese kids over at rugby. A great what if is if Covid hadn’t have happened , what would Boris have done - suspect it wouldn’t have made much difference to his tenure or lasting effect anyways.
Covid vaccine rollout and prompt help to Ukraine are his only slight plus points, and they will be forgetten before his zip line / kid pushing / party shagging buffoonery
In power FagRage would be some mix of Truss and Boris, but also with enough drinking to make Charlie Kennedy want to have a quiet word
Doubt Farage would be that bad, A. Because it would objectively be difficult to be as worse as those, and B. Whilst not Gordon gecko he did work in the city for 20+ years metals broker iirc.
There really should be a thing where people have to have actually worked at something before they become politicians , world seemed to go to shit only when career politicians became a thing.
His proposals have a black hole four times bigger than Truss.
In power FagRage would be some mix of Truss and Boris, but also with enough drinking to make Charlie Kennedy want to have a quiet word
Doubt Farage would be that bad, A. Because it would objectively be difficult to be as worse as those, and B. Whilst not Gordon gecko he did work in the city for 20+ years metals broker iirc.
There really should be a thing where people have to have actually worked at something before they become politicians , world seemed to go to shit only when career politicians became a thing.
His proposals have a black hole four times bigger than Truss.
Opposition sprout any old shit , that’s their job - wait until nearer the time for GE / manefesto / actually in power and doing some policies & budget, and then make a valid comparison. He has 2+ years still to get his own house in order as Labour and Tories lose support.
FWIW I personally think they have some good ideas (eg personal threshold for tax increased to £20k) as well as some daft & inplausable (‘ah we will save 150 bill easily!) and at least one downright dangerous (the money tree ‘ah let’s just not pay the £30b interest to banks !’ Default ). Not dissimilar to how I perceive other parties ideas in fact.
