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Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm Don’t you guys think it’s a bit more complex than just; ‘morons are the problem’?

Ignoring and insulting great swathes if people just feels like re-entrenchment is the likely outcome.

The Centre needs to properly analyse the problem and work out a solution.

Yes. But that’s for tomorrow

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm Don’t you guys think it’s a bit more complex than just; ‘morons are the problem’?

Ignoring and insulting great swathes if people just feels like re-entrenchment is the likely outcome.

The Centre needs to properly analyse the problem and work out a solution.

I see it as a bit like Wales winning the GS in 05, normal service is possible after the dark days. But yes, you're right, as people cleverer than me have said, DT is a symptom, not the cause. If getting on for 50% of the population have these views, someone is going to come along one day and express them effectively.

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm Don’t you guys think it’s a bit more complex than just; ‘morons are the problem’?

Ignoring and insulting great swathes if people just feels like re-entrenchment is the likely outcome.

The Centre needs to properly analyse the problem and work out a solution.

Lazy and uneducated maybe. Stupid entrenched beliefs.
My own folks in law are traditional catholics, big campaigners against abortion. Love trump of course. Thats all they see. The abortion issue.
No point trying to tell them that he doesnt give two fucks about an unborn anything!
I give them a pass though as they are old and dont see some of this shyte in the media and whatnot.
That excuse doesnt wash with the gun toting rednecks etc.
Any trump supporter under the age of 60, i am happy to label them all morons.

Slick wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:27 pm Some fantastic knife turning messages of congratulations coming in from world leaders

Also from millionnaire Kier Starmer

frodder wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:55 pm

Slick wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:27 pm Some fantastic knife turning messages of congratulations coming in from world leaders

Also from millionnaire Kier Starmer

Even Boris has managed to send congratulations.

I agree - anyone can replicate trumping - Trump’s main selling points were pretty simple;

1 - all the people saying you’re stupid, white trash are the problem and threat.

2 - the economy makes the US strong. So let’s stop fucking around with long term planning, and just concentrate on short term results for the US economy now.

That stuff is going to be a big problem for Biden to counter.

Enjoy the win today, but the next 4 years will be a task and a half to stop Ivanka in 4 years.

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm Don’t you guys think it’s a bit more complex than just; ‘morons are the problem’?

Ignoring and insulting great swathes if people just feels like re-entrenchment is the likely outcome.

The Centre needs to properly analyse the problem and work out a solution.

People are morons and ignore the facts the truth does not appeal to them, they like big headlines and slogans that draw them in, The Brexit party knew exactly how to rope in the thick fuckers, with headlines on Immigration and money sent to Europe, those rosy headlines didn't hold any truth, but the effect it had on the stupids was huge.
same with trump headlines smoke and mirrors, I'm gonna build a wall, patriotic bollocks that held little or no truth.
With enough backing you can convince people this is the right path, and as we've seen it can split a country down the middle, both here and in America.

clive wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:48 pm

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm Don’t you guys think it’s a bit more complex than just; ‘morons are the problem’?

Ignoring and insulting great swathes if people just feels like re-entrenchment is the likely outcome.

The Centre needs to properly analyse the problem and work out a solution.

People are morons and ignore the facts the truth does not appeal to them, they like big headlines and slogans that draw them in, The Brexit party knew exactly how to rope in the thick fuckers, with headlines on Immigration and money sent to Europe, those rosy headlines didn't hold any truth, but the effect it had on the stupids was huge.
same with trump headlines smoke and mirrors, I'm gonna build a wall, patriotic bollocks that held little or no truth.
With enough backing you can convince people this is the right path, and as we've seen it can split a country down the middle, both here and in America.

Yeah, that’s where I do disagree.

There are plenty of problems where these demographics do have a justifiable point. An example would be immigration.

For me, problems with immigration are substantially outweighed by the positives, especially over the long term.

But for people who live day by day, they don’t give a fuck about long term, nuanced benefits. They just see a simple and immediate supply and demand issue, that Brexit (Uk) and trump (US) promise to resolve.

They have a point.

Calling them morons is just an ad hominem approach that won’t work in my view.

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:16 pm

clive wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:48 pm

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:18 pm Don’t you guys think it’s a bit more complex than just; ‘morons are the problem’?

Ignoring and insulting great swathes if people just feels like re-entrenchment is the likely outcome.

The Centre needs to properly analyse the problem and work out a solution.

People are morons and ignore the facts the truth does not appeal to them, they like big headlines and slogans that draw them in, The Brexit party knew exactly how to rope in the thick fuckers, with headlines on Immigration and money sent to Europe, those rosy headlines didn't hold any truth, but the effect it had on the stupids was huge.
same with trump headlines smoke and mirrors, I'm gonna build a wall, patriotic bollocks that held little or no truth.
With enough backing you can convince people this is the right path, and as we've seen it can split a country down the middle, both here and in America.

Yeah, that’s where I do disagree.

There are plenty of problems where these demographics do have a justifiable point. An example would be immigration.

For me, problems with immigration are substantially outweighed by the positives, especially over the long term.

But for people who live day by day, they don’t give a fuck about long term, nuanced benefits. They just see a simple and immediate supply and demand issue, that Brexit (Uk) and trump (US) promise to resolve.

They have a point.

Calling them morons is just an ad hominem approach that won’t work in my view.

If people ignore facts like climate change the biggest threat to us, and still vote for a Cunt like Trump or that other lying cunt Boris, then there is no other word than moron.
If you want to trust in the headlines right wing papers push out, and not to try and find out the facts then moron is quite a tame word.
Brexit was a huge banner waving exercise, Yes folks wake up tomorrow and all the immigrants will have gone home.

I think I have a different perspective, because I’ve worked a fair bit with the poor, white demographic, and for me, it’s not an intelligence thing.

People in that demographic just think short term.

Who cares about climate change if I can’t afford to keep my family warm now? Or pay the rent? Or put food in the table? Or pay fir Xmas?

If someone is saying they’ll reduce energy prices today by not subsidising green energy, then that’s who they will trust, as they live ‘in the real world’ and it’s logical.

The climate change stuff is years off. Their problems are now.

If the centre want to get back proper traction, they need to bridge that gap.

The only thing I have found that they think longer term on is culture. For example, Islam taking over Europe blah, blah, blah.

Just an aside on my thoughts - I’m a scientist by training, so I don’t usually go in for anecdotal evidence. But I can’t fucking stand social “science” and don’t trust a word they print. So I read widely and use my own experience to guide my thoughts on these sorts of topics

Calling Trump supporters dumb is not a good idea, and completely untrue. They're no more intelligent or stupid than any other large group of people. The US economy has done fairly well under Trump, for lots of honest hard-working people that comes ahead of whether or not to use the right pronouns for someone. The 'new democrats' do have some worrying things about them too- many supporters of critical race theory, for example. Trump is a horrible narcissist, but people aren't voting for him, they're voting for themselves.

Yep. Voting for themselves. That's what they went with at the exist polls - if you're worried about Covid you voted Joe, if you wanted a stronger economy people voted Donald.

Of course all Trump did was deregulate an already hot economy and then the GOP provided a tax cut so the corporations wealth continued to grow and the stock market continued to boom. Which any muppet could have done and in Trump's case you got 'any muppet'.

Does anybody care that a bunch of those regulations that Trump cut were put in there for a reason? Of course not, the vast majority of people wouldn't know or care that financial rules established after 2008 were turfed. Does anybody actually care that national debt continued to balloon with no way to reign it in? Does anybody actually care that medical costs are rocketing upwards out of control? Does anybody actually care that manufacturing still had a negative job loss, the only sector in the USA to do so in this time of prosperity, that Trump's tariffs and new deals were total BS? Does anybody actually care that the wealth gap once again widened? Does anybody actually care that the balance of trade continued to widen?

No. It was only a relatively small portion of swing voters that actually went to Biden. That should never be forgotten.

clive wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:40 pm Well done Joe, now go sign the climate treaty.

And the TPPA - lets combine to battle Chayna.

Enzedder wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:17 pm

clive wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:40 pm Well done Joe, now go sign the climate treaty.

And the TPPA - lets combine to battle Chayna.

Chill. China is better as an ally.

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:10 pm Does anybody actually care that national debt continued to balloon with no way to reign it in? Does anybody actually care that medical costs are rocketing upwards out of control? Does anybody actually care that manufacturing still had a negative job loss, the only sector in the USA to do so in this time of prosperity, that Trump's tariffs and new deals were total BS? Does anybody actually care that the wealth gap once again widened? Does anybody actually care that the balance of trade continued to widen?

Did Trump ever try to pretend to be a fiscal conservative? I'm am against MMT-style ideas, but the criticisms Trump uses to criticise the Democrats about their monetary/fiscal policy ideas which really are the same as what he's been doing. It is hard to be the fiscally responsible/conservative party, but usually the centre-right in the West covers this. In the US, both parties have just completely given up, as they're scared they'll lose votes, rather than set policies on principle.

Apparently Farage put $10k on Trump winning.

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:48 pm I think I have a different perspective, because I’ve worked a fair bit with the poor, white demographic, and for me, it’s not an intelligence thing.

People in that demographic just think short term.

Who cares about climate change if I can’t afford to keep my family warm now? Or pay the rent? Or put food in the table? Or pay fir Xmas?

If someone is saying they’ll reduce energy prices today by not subsidising green energy, then that’s who they will trust, as they live ‘in the real world’ and it’s logical.

The climate change stuff is years off. Their problems are now.

If the centre want to get back proper traction, they need to bridge that gap.

The only thing I have found that they think longer term on is culture. For example, Islam taking over Europe blah, blah, blah.

Just an aside on my thoughts - I’m a scientist by training, so I don’t usually go in for anecdotal evidence. But I can’t fucking stand social “science” and don’t trust a word they print. So I read widely and use my own experience to guide my thoughts on these sorts of topics

Sorry. I don't buy it.

I can believe that someone might have more immediate priorities than climate change (although, if you feel that changing weather patterns are some kind of elaborate hoax which don't affect you, there's probably a case to be made against your being terribly smart).

However, the assumption that Donald Trump is doing everything in his power to address your difficulties indicates a gullibility which betrays a weak intellect.

The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Rinkals wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:45 pm

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:48 pm I think I have a different perspective, because I’ve worked a fair bit with the poor, white demographic, and for me, it’s not an intelligence thing.

People in that demographic just think short term.

Who cares about climate change if I can’t afford ok to keep my family warm now? Or pay the rent? Or put food in the table? Or pay fir Xmas?

If someone is saying they’ll reduce energy prices today by not subsidising green energy, then that’s who they will trust, as they live ‘in the real world’ and it’s logical.

The climate change stuff is years off. Their problems are now.

If the centre want to get back proper traction, they need to bridge that gap.

The only thing I have found that they think longer term on is culture. For example, Islam taking over Europe blah, blah, blah.

Just an aside on my thoughts - I’m a scientist by training, so I don’t usually go in for anecdotal evidence. But I can’t fucking stand social “science” and don’t trust a word they print. So I read widely and use my own experience to guide my thoughts on these sorts of topics

Sorry. I don't buy it.

I can believe that someone might have more immediate priorities than climate change (although, if you feel that changing weather patterns are some kind of elaborate hoax which don't affect you, there's probably a case to be made against your being terribly smart).

However, the assumption that Donald Trump is doing everything in his power to address your difficulties indicates a gullibility which betrays a weak intellect.

Feels like you’re railing against people without critical thinking skills rather than intelligence.

It always amazes me that intelligent people believe in religion, but they do.

Same shit different topic for me.


Trump = the Pope et al.

Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:49 pm The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Yup. He’s going to fuck shit up.

Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:49 pm The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Agreed.

I wonder if they’ll just offer him immunity from all of the impending law suits against him, in exchange for sitting on his tiny little hands for that period.

Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:04 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:49 pm The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Yup. He’s going to fuck shit up.

Pity about Covid. Otherwise he’d just go play golf until the end of January.

Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:37 pm

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:10 pm Does anybody actually care that national debt continued to balloon with no way to reign it in? Does anybody actually care that medical costs are rocketing upwards out of control? Does anybody actually care that manufacturing still had a negative job loss, the only sector in the USA to do so in this time of prosperity, that Trump's tariffs and new deals were total BS? Does anybody actually care that the wealth gap once again widened? Does anybody actually care that the balance of trade continued to widen?

Did Trump ever try to pretend to be a fiscal conservative? I'm am against MMT-style ideas, but the criticisms Trump uses to criticise the Democrats about their monetary/fiscal policy ideas which really are the same as what he's been doing. It is hard to be the fiscally responsible/conservative party, but usually the centre-right in the West covers this. In the US, both parties have just completely given up, as they're scared they'll lose votes, rather than set policies on principle.

And that's part and parcel of my point and I think yours. Just like a episode of Yes Minister neither side is going to try and change when the hand that feeds them (the superpacs) and the people who put them into power (the voters) only care about themselves and what can be done in the next 4 years.

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:11 pm

Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:04 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:49 pm The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Yup. He’s going to fuck shit up.

Pity about Covid. Otherwise he’d just go play golf until the end of January.

that's what he was doing when the new President-Elect was announced

Blake wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:24 pm NRA right on schedule to drive up sales for their biggest donors.

Response is pretty good though.

Love it!

c'mon down and see us again eh bro?

https://amp.sbs.com.au/v1/live-blog/tim ... snL02GIgOc

Trump campaign holds press conference at Four Seasons... landscaping

In one of the more confusing developments of the morning (you know, other than an incumbent American president refusing to accept the results of a democratic election), the Trump campaign has held a press conference in the car park of a small landscaping business.

President Donald Trump tweeted early on Sunday morning, AEST, that a "big press conference" would be taking place at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, the largest city in deciding battleground state Pennsylvania.

Shanky’s mate wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:11 am https://amp.sbs.com.au/v1/live-blog/tim ... snL02GIgOc

Trump campaign holds press conference at Four Seasons... landscaping

In one of the more confusing developments of the morning (you know, other than an incumbent American president refusing to accept the results of a democratic election), the Trump campaign has held a press conference in the car park of a small landscaping business.

President Donald Trump tweeted early on Sunday morning, AEST, that a "big press conference" would be taking place at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, the largest city in deciding battleground state Pennsylvania.

Campaign budget is zero

Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:49 pm The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Well it may be that his influence might actually diminish, if some of the people who can make some of this shit happen for him, realise that they might be held accountable once Joe takes over. They might be able to file stuff quietly into the "pending" pile, and sit on their hands.

That could limit some of the damage. And if he starts firing people, some of them can surely be given their jobs back...Fauci for example.

But some of his enablers need to face justice. No amnesty for them.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:14 am

Shanky’s mate wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:11 am https://amp.sbs.com.au/v1/live-blog/tim ... snL02GIgOc

Trump campaign holds press conference at Four Seasons... landscaping

In one of the more confusing developments of the morning (you know, other than an incumbent American president refusing to accept the results of a democratic election), the Trump campaign has held a press conference in the car park of a small landscaping business.

President Donald Trump tweeted early on Sunday morning, AEST, that a "big press conference" would be taking place at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, the largest city in deciding battleground state Pennsylvania.

Campaign budget is zero

they wish !

It's massively in the red thanks to Parscale looting it, & Jr's bimbo being put in charge of fund raising; but the killer blow was the toxic turd himself pissing off donors

Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:49 pm The next 11 weeks will be the most dangerous period in modern American history. Trump has all the power of the Presidency, but with zero accountability and with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Yep. It’s going to be a right shitshow

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:38 am

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:14 am Campaign budget is zero

they wish !

It's massively in the red thanks to Parscale looting it, & Jr's bimbo being put in charge of fund raising; but the killer blow was the toxic turd himself pissing off donors

See they are desperately sending out emails to their base trying to fleece them for their last cent. Contributions are supposedly for the “Defense Fund” to challenge election results, but the fine print at the bottom of the page says that 50% of contributions would be going to campaign debt.

Grifters gonna grift.

Joe's acceptance speech was not a doddery old codger stuttering a mangled word or two. The USA may yet get a few useful years out of him.

Flockwitt wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:15 am Joe's acceptance speech was not a doddery old codger stuttering a mangled word or two. The USA may yet get a few useful years out of him.

It was a great speech, worthy of an American president. Kamala's was even better.

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:04 pm

Rinkals wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:45 pm

Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:48 pm I think I have a different perspective, because I’ve worked a fair bit with the poor, white demographic, and for me, it’s not an intelligence thing.

People in that demographic just think short term.

Who cares about climate change if I can’t afford ok to keep my family warm now? Or pay the rent? Or put food in the table? Or pay fir Xmas?

If someone is saying they’ll reduce energy prices today by not subsidising green energy, then that’s who they will trust, as they live ‘in the real world’ and it’s logical.

The climate change stuff is years off. Their problems are now.

If the centre want to get back proper traction, they need to bridge that gap.

The only thing I have found that they think longer term on is culture. For example, Islam taking over Europe blah, blah, blah.

Just an aside on my thoughts - I’m a scientist by training, so I don’t usually go in for anecdotal evidence. But I can’t fucking stand social “science” and don’t trust a word they print. So I read widely and use my own experience to guide my thoughts on these sorts of topics

Sorry. I don't buy it.

I can believe that someone might have more immediate priorities than climate change (although, if you feel that changing weather patterns are some kind of elaborate hoax which don't affect you, there's probably a case to be made against your being terribly smart).

However, the assumption that Donald Trump is doing everything in his power to address your difficulties indicates a gullibility which betrays a weak intellect.

Feels like you’re railing against people without critical thinking skills rather than intelligence.

It always amazes me that intelligent people believe in religion, but they do.

Same shit different topic for me.


Trump = the Pope et al.

Isn't critical thinking skills what we are talking about?

At the risk of repeating myself, I don't see how you can complain about being called a moron if the man you choose to represent the best of you is Donald J. Trump.

Funny how Biden is now expected to clean this shit up.

An adult has returned home to find that the kids have broken all the furniture and smeared shit all over the walls and they are going to have to clean it all up.

And in 4 years time, they'll just elect Ivanka, anyway.