The Official F1 Thread

[Big D]

Great to see a Ferrari 1-2.

Nightmare for Red Bull. Will be interesting to see if it is the same issue with both cars (and Gasly).

Merc will be happy to minimise any lost ground.

Haas and Alpha Romeo having good weekends too!

[JM2K6]

"It doesn't look like a reliability problem" argue the Red Bull guys as Verstappen tells them it's a problem. A few minutes later, both Red Bulls have given up the ghost and Hamilton is gifted a podium.

Great to see Sainz doing so well, absolute legend

[Guy Smiley]

Hamilton and Russell might have salvaged what they could but Merc have issues.

[Big D]

Hamilton and Russell might have salvaged what they could but Merc have issues.

To be fair Williams were there last year and year before bar the odd Russell result.

[Guy Smiley]

Kevin Magnussen with a 5th place is a feel good story in itself.

There are a few stories of heartbreak to come out of this though...

[Guy Smiley]

"It doesn't look like a reliability problem" argue the Red Bull guys as Verstappen tells them it's a problem. A few minutes later, both Red Bulls have given up the ghost and Hamilton is gifted a podium.

Great to see Sainz doing so well, absolute legend

Agree on Sainz, too... he always comes across as a very likeable guy. Great result for Ferrari.

[Kawazaki]

Hamilton and Wolff will be laughing.

Will be hilarious if Verstappen has just signed a 5 year contract with a team who can't build engines.

[Mr Bungle]

After Sky have been absolutely definite that there was no question that they weren't sandbagging, no siree

Qualifying on the third row. Yup, they really kept that potential hidden away.

Fucking weird how many people seem to watch sport just to be insanely partisan regarding people they have no connection to at all

Scarface

[ScarfaceClaw]

Qualifying on the third row. Yup, they really kept that potential hidden away.

Fucking weird how many people seem to watch sport just to be insanely partisan regarding people they have no connection to at all

Scarface :yawn:

Eh? What are you on about?

[Mr Bungle]

Your constant Hamilton whinging. I thought that was clear from JMK’s post?

[JM2K6]

Much like the Marcus Smith whinging on the match thread from yesterday!

[Mr Bungle]

Scarface has quoted me in a now deleted post. I guess I can take a punt and say yes, I will go make love to myself.

[fishfoodie]

What's the Engine allocation this year ?

Gasly's 1st engine is now scrap metal for example; & it'll be interesting to see if the change in fuel means this is a wider problem going forward.

The budget cap is going to really start to bite if Red Bull Engine has a significant issue. I did wonder if they might be lucky, & this is a s/w issue, as it seemed like the car was stuck in harvesting mode, before it shutdown.

We might have a genuine 3-Way battle this year, with other teams regularly getting in the top six too

[sturginho]

Red bull are fucked! 3 engine failures in one race! It couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch

[Guy Smiley]

Red bull are fucked! 3 engine failures in one race! It couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch

You've had quite a weekend sturginho... are you ok? No signs of inflamed gloat?

[sturginho]

Red bull are fucked! 3 engine failures in one race! It couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch

You've had quite a weekend sturginho... are you ok? No signs of inflamed gloat?

I've an acute case of smugness this weekend!

[Muttonbird]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

[JM2K6]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

Quite simply a bonkers suggestion. Of course they didn't DNF deliberately.

[Slick]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

Yes, after last season you'd imagine Max would take any opportunity to throw points away

[sturginho]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

Apparently their problem was caused by the fuel getting too hot and evaporating causing the fuel pump to malfunction. Apparently all teams were aware of this possibility except RB

[assfly]

Could it be an issue with racing in the Middle East where it's traditionally warmer? We could be in for similar problems next week if so.

[sturginho]

Could it be an issue with racing in the Middle East where it's traditionally warmer? We could be in for similar problems next week if so.

From what I understand, the E10 fuel runs at a higher temp than the fuel they used to use

EDIT: This explains better than I can
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... ls-defeat/

[Guy Smiley]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

I'm not saying you're a moron but that statement is the sort of thing a moron would say.

[Insane_Homer]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

idiot alert!

[Grandpa]

Could it be an issue with racing in the Middle East where it's traditionally warmer? We could be in for similar problems next week if so.

From what I understand, the E10 fuel runs at a higher temp than the fuel they used to use

EDIT: This explains better than I can
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... ls-defeat/

Reading that it sounds like it should be an easy fix.. if it's a correct diagnosis?

[Guy Smiley]

Could it be an issue with racing in the Middle East where it's traditionally warmer? We could be in for similar problems next week if so.

From what I understand, the E10 fuel runs at a higher temp than the fuel they used to use

EDIT: This explains better than I can
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... ls-defeat/

Reading that it sounds like it should be an easy fix.. if it's a correct diagnosis?

It's certainly fixable, if that IS the problem, as the other teams aren't having the same issue.

It would be a decent challenge though... a redesign of the fuel tank baffling system, pump intakes... perhaps some sort of cooling of the fuel line or the pump.

I'm guessing they're not allowed to pressurise the fuel tanks... I think there's a fire retardant element in them unless that'd a romantic throwback to the days of Murray Walker and the desperate attempts to improve safety after Lauda's crash.

[SaintK]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

idiot alert!

You are being far too kind!!!

[sturginho]

From what I understand, the E10 fuel runs at a higher temp than the fuel they used to use

EDIT: This explains better than I can
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hug ... ls-defeat/

Reading that it sounds like it should be an easy fix.. if it's a correct diagnosis?

It's certainly fixable, if that IS the problem, as the other teams aren't having the same issue.

It would be a decent challenge though... a redesign of the fuel tank baffling system, pump intakes... perhaps some sort of cooling of the fuel line or the pump.

I'm guessing they're not allowed to pressurise the fuel tanks... I think there's a fire retardant element in them unless that'd a romantic throwback to the days of Murray Walker and the desperate attempts to improve safety after Lauda's crash.

According to Craig Scarborough, the fuel pumps (which are a spec part and are supplied by a 3rd party) have a problem with the way they react to the E10, so may not be Red Bulls fault

[Muttonbird]

Was there really power issues with the two Red Bull cars or did they DNF deliberately because things weren't going their way?

It's possible Perez simply made a mistake under pressure late, but Max seemed to throw his toys preferring to complain rather than race. Someone needs to tell him P2 is pretty good if he had just stuck at it.

idiot alert!

Verstappen seems a bit high strung. Possibly the sort of thing he'd do. Maybe not Perez.

[assfly]

Verstappen seems a bit high strung. Possibly the sort of thing he'd do. Maybe not Perez.

He's the current world champion. You could possibly explain that sort of situation of it was a driver continually finishing last with a shit car. But every point matters, even he said that.

Besides, looks like a fuel system error anyway.

[Insane_Homer]

idiot alert!

Verstappen seems a bit high strung. Possibly the sort of thing he'd do. Maybe not Perez.

doubling down

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Reading that it sounds like it should be an easy fix.. if it's a correct diagnosis?

It's certainly fixable, if that IS the problem, as the other teams aren't having the same issue.

It would be a decent challenge though... a redesign of the fuel tank baffling system, pump intakes... perhaps some sort of cooling of the fuel line or the pump.

I'm guessing they're not allowed to pressurise the fuel tanks... I think there's a fire retardant element in them unless that'd a romantic throwback to the days of Murray Walker and the desperate attempts to improve safety after Lauda's crash.

According to Craig Scarborough, the fuel pumps (which are a spec part and are supplied by a 3rd party) have a problem with the way they react to the E10, so may not be Red Bulls fault

A fuel pump cavitating will screw itself very quickly as a friend who used to race cars found out expensively. You have to be very careful about designing the fuel tank to deal with this. Did anybody apart from Red Bull have a problem?

[TB63]

Did anybody apart from Red Bull have a problem?


Boeing, over China..

[Guy Smiley]

Did anybody apart from Red Bull have a problem?


Boeing, over China..

I read a decent article on the RB issue the other day. The fuel pump is a spec part, same one supplied to everyone. FIA were aware there could be issues with it and allowed all teams an hour extra after quali to carry out any work needed. RB didn't see the need.

[Guy Smiley]

Shamelessly lifted from Reddit...

Zandvoort 1961 (left to right): Bruce McLaren on the keyboard, Graham Hill on the accordion, Jim Clark on the drums, Trevor Taylor on the maracas and Dan Gurney on stand-up bass.

[Insane_Homer]

Vettel missing this week too.

[Insane_Homer]

More drama, FP2 delayed after missile on nearby refinery?

[Punter15]

Verstappen seems a bit high strung. Possibly the sort of thing he'd do. Maybe not Perez.

He's the current world champion*. You could possibly explain that sort of situation of it was a driver continually finishing last with a shit car. But every point matters, even he said that.

Besides, looks like a fuel system error anyway.

Fixed.

[Insane_Homer]

[Guy Smiley]

After something like 4 hours of meetings and a lot of tension from team bosses, the race is to go ahead...


sounds like the drivers didn't want it and were told to do it. Interesting sub plot is the suggestion the Saudi's would make it difficult to leave if the race didn't go ahead.