What's going on in Ukraine?

[Uncle fester]

Situation is starting to move fast in Kherson. The videos of captured Russian equipment and defencive positions are starting to appear.

Confirmed reports Ukrainian forces are less than 15km from Kherson city, that's from photos and video of Ukrainian regulars (not special forces). Unconfirmed by quite credible reports that Ukrainian regulars are now on the outskirts of the city proper and special forces are inside the city (credible because the confirmed positions of Ukrainian forces, make it not much of a stretch for them to be a bit more advanced currently). Also some reports that remaining Russian forces (maybe as many as 20k) are carrying out a chaotic withdrawal under heavy Ukrainian artillery fire currently, but these are mostly Russian reports and I'm not sure what to make of them.

There's a video claiming to be one of the Russian crossing points, haven't seen it before so probably recent. Russians could be retreating through choke points taking this amount of fire.

Anything to the speculation that US tried to broker a withdrawal from Kherson but the Ukrainians weren't having it?

Wouldn't blame them. If Russians want mercy, they should surrender.

[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

Anything to the speculation that US tried to broker a withdrawal from Kherson but the Ukrainians weren't having it?

Wouldn't blame them. If Russians want mercy, they should surrender.

Wouldn't surprise me if RU made an approach to the US to try and influence UA into accepting an uncontested withdrawal, find it harder to believe that the US would pro-actively do this though.

[tabascoboy]

And the irony of Russia trying to keep that bridge repaired and open for use while it was being struck by UA for weeks, in the end they are forced to blow it up themselves.

[yermum]

I'm surprised things like this get broadcast in russia.

maybe swan lake is nearer than we think.

[_Os_]

Ukrainian regulars confirmed to be inside the western part of Kherson city. Video of Russian troops fleeing on foot across the broken pontoons this morning. Kherson could be over by the end of the day.

[_Os_]

Anything to the speculation that US tried to broker a withdrawal from Kherson but the Ukrainians weren't having it?

Wouldn't blame them. If Russians want mercy, they should surrender.

Haven't seen anything regarding this. Wouldn't make much sense (although I'm no military expert), the harder Russia were smashed here the easier it would be to cut the land bridge, there's been talk for months of a third front opening in the Zaporizhia area which is the next logical step after Kherson is secured. Taking Kherson frees up forces on both sides (but Russian forces seem more broken), but gives Ukraine the territory bringing more of the land bridge into Ukrainian artillery range.

There was one photo today of a Russian AA system destroyed 60km from the frontline in the Zaporizhia area, which since the start of the war has looked to me like drones removing the outer layers of Russian defences (quite hard to hit anything that far from the frontline any other way doubtful Ukraine would risk manned aircraft to do that, special forces are possible though) so that progressively more force can be brought to bear.

Svatove a significant Russian logistics hub in Luhansk has also been looking weak for awhile. Russia have pushed in conscripts who are massacred 100s at a time to hold it, there's also been video from that area of Russian air force working at low level doing ground support (which is unusual given the amount of MANPADS).

[tabascoboy]

[Blackmac]

Jesus. The scumbags in the second APC fucked off leaving their wounded comrades on the ground.

[tabascoboy]

Have to wonder what horrors await discovery in the city once it is all explored, this isn't a city where there was a large number of separatists and there was a lot of pro-UA protest in the early days of occupation before RU started cutting communications and clamped down on news from there.

[TB63]

[_Os_]

[TB63]

[_Os_]

Apparently the story there is, those are police officers that went into military service. The policemen are liberating their own police station.

[Uncle fester]

Incredible scenes.
What those people must have gone through.

[tabascoboy]

And s it begins (again)

[Niegs]

[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

Russian channeller, having seen the jubilant reaction to the liberation of Kherson wonder if the 87% referendum in favour of annexation into Russia was faked. No shit, Sherlock...

[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

[Raggs]

Continuation of the previous vid. The guy punches the commander in the chest at one point.



These guys had lives outside the army, they aren't kids and they aren't willing to accept shit just because they're told to. They realise they're getting shit training, shit equipment, and they'll be killed if they go along with it. You can bullshit a young man, he's half convinced he's immortal anyway, but these guys all look a lot older than that, and aren't willing to eat the bullshit.

[fishfoodie]

Continuation of the previous vid. The guy punches the commander in the chest at one point.



These guys had lives outside the army, they aren't kids and they aren't willing to accept shit just because they're told to. They realise they're getting shit training, shit equipment, and they'll be killed if they go along with it. You can bullshit a young man, he's half convinced he's immortal anyway, but these guys all look a lot older than that, and aren't willing to eat the bullshit.

This cuts to the core of the division in the Russian Empire. It's all fine while the people doing the dying are from Asia, or the Republics, but Russians don't have to die like everyone else, that's for the plebs. If you're from Moscow, or St Petersburg, you look down your nose at everyone else, because you get the best of what's available, & you don't go off to die like the rest.

[MungoMan]

Continuation of the previous vid. The guy punches the commander in the chest at one point.



These guys had lives outside the army, they aren't kids and they aren't willing to accept shit just because they're told to. They realise they're getting shit training, shit equipment, and they'll be killed if they go along with it. You can bullshit a young man, he's half convinced he's immortal anyway, but these guys all look a lot older than that, and aren't willing to eat the bullshit.

Yep, anyone who's been in the workforce for a while should have a decent idea of the difference between adequate and inadequate training.

[Flockwitt]

A bunch of various international news outlets getting into trouble for breaking Ukraine's press rules regards going into Kherson early.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/cnn-sky-news- ... 41036.html

[tabascoboy]

No wonder Russia has toned down its threats lately




and

[tabascoboy]

Russians are weird #7395873256743

[tabascoboy]

[Niegs]

Stick 'em with a big reparations bill, eh?

Any chance of them being booted from the Security Council too?

[laurent]

Big missile attacks ongoing by all accounts

over 100 apparently.

The Russian delegation was thrown out of G20 apparently.

[tabascoboy]

[dkm57]

Must be getting near the end of their missile stocks soon.

[fishfoodie]

C4 Reporting that one of the Orc missiles has landed in Poland, & killed two people.

NATO will have to respond strongly if this is true

[Calculon]

Silly Russians, hopefully leads to increased support for Ukraine

[Jock42]

Ah well. It's been nice chaffing shite about rugby with you lads....

[geordie_6]

C4 Reporting that one of the Orc missiles has landed in Poland, & killed two people.

NATO will have to respond strongly if this is true

Hopefully, it'll be proven to have been knocked off course by air defences or some shit like that. Otherwise, it doesn't end well...

[Uncle fester]

C4 Reporting that one of the Orc missiles has landed in Poland, & killed two people.

NATO will have to respond strongly if this is true

Be a handy time to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine.

[fishfoodie]

C4 Reporting that one of the Orc missiles has landed in Poland, & killed two people.

NATO will have to respond strongly if this is true

Hopefully, it'll be proven to have been knocked off course by air defences or some shit like that. Otherwise, it doesn't end well...

I don't think the Poles will give a shit why it hit their territory, & the dead certainly won't !

I think NATO should ask Ukraine for permission to site Air Defence systems inside their territory, to defend NATO.... and then they should set them up as close as practical to Ukraines Eastern border (to give the systems the best chance of success natch).

Then I'd arrange for some more careless smokers in those Orc/Iranian factories & warehouses etc, that are supplying these weapons.

[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

Quite a bit of speculation at the moment as to what rocket the debris has come from, no definite matches but it's early days. Possible it's a UA S-300 air defence overshoot but it's not consistent with a crater that was left unless it malfunctioned.

In any case if Russia weren't being arseholes by launching mass strikes this wouldn't have happened ( unless you believe tinfoil hat conspiracy tweets... )