RWCR3 Wales vs Wallabies 24/9 @ 21h00

[Line6 HXFX]

Nobody knows Wales. People are pretending they do. Is it the Wales with brilliant lineout, scrum and driving maul, is it the Wales that makes 253 tackles a match, is it the Wales that will run it from anywhere, and take you on at your own game...is it the Wales that rushes up and stops you in your tracks..
Most of the rugby world wrote Wales off and thought Australia, Fiji and Georgia would hammer them.
No one even contemplated the fact Wales may be peaking at the right time, be super fit and bringing huge variety to their game.


The only people who know Wales and what they are capable of are Gatland Foreshaw, Alex King...the rest of us are piddling in the wind, hating the unknown, living in the past, or clinging to the shadows of bygone negative narratives.

[SaintK]

I wish some of the neutrals would actually give Wales some credit.
Gats has turned this bunch of rag tag nobodies around.
A semi final place a possibility with an inevitable bumming from Ireland on the cards.
Just happy to be at the knockout stages.
Unlike the gash Scots

That's a shame. I was happy to go along with you for a bit of that and then you spoilt it. Wales have done well in the Tier 2 competition but would get splatted across the park by 3, maybe 4, of the teams in the Tier 1 competition we are in.

[Tichtheid]

Before getting carried away, lets see Wales against a competitive team, which won’t be until the semi final.

Most likely Wales will meet Ireland at that stage, but it might be New Zealand if they manage to overcome the Irish momentum.

[C69]

Before getting carried away, lets see Wales against a competitive team, which won’t be until the semi final.

Most likely Wales will meet Ireland at that stage, but it might be New Zealand if they manage to overcome the Irish momentum.

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

[Simian]

Before getting carried away, lets see Wales against a competitive team, which won’t be until the semi final.

Most likely Wales will meet Ireland at that stage, but it might be New Zealand if they manage to overcome the Irish momentum.

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

…. weren’t bailed out by the ref in their opening game or played an Australia side whose coach had pressed the self destruct button ;)

[Tichtheid]

Before getting carried away, lets see Wales against a competitive team, which won’t be until the semi final.

Most likely Wales will meet Ireland at that stage, but it might be New Zealand if they manage to overcome the Irish momentum.

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

Whereas Scotland have a bit of a task on their hands.

Scotland have to beat Romania by something like 110 points to make up the pd with Ireland, then beat Ireland without letting them gain a LBP or a try BP. Ireland are on the back of an away series win in New Zealand, a run in the November tests which included beating South Africa and then a 6N Grand Slam. They've just beaten South Africa again to confirm their number one in the world status. At this point in time I can only see a full strength France or South Africa having a chance of matching them, even then it looks unlikely. Even if the seemingly impossible does happen we'd have to beat France or the All Blacks to make the semi finals.

As I say it's a bit of a task facing Scotland.

This doesn't make Welsh fans taller, the difference in quality of opposition is stark.

[C69]

Before getting carried away, lets see Wales against a competitive team, which won’t be until the semi final.

Most likely Wales will meet Ireland at that stage, but it might be New Zealand if they manage to overcome the Irish momentum.

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

…. weren’t bailed out by the ref in their opening game or played an Australia side whose coach had pressed the self destruct button ;)

All true. I hope they enjoy their quarter final...
Oh wait

[C69]

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

Whereas Scotland have a bit of a task on their hands.

Scotland have to beat Romania by something like 110 points to make up the pd with Ireland, then beat Ireland without letting them gain a LBP or a try BP. Ireland are on the back of an away series win in New Zealand, a run in the November tests which included beating South Africa and then a 6N Grand Slam. They've just beaten South Africa again to confirm their number one in the world status. At this point in time I can only see a full strength France or South Africa having a chance of matching them, even then it looks unlikely. Even if the seemingly impossible does happen we'd have to beat France or the All Blacks to make the semi finals.

As I say it's a bit of a task facing Scotland.

This doesn't make Welsh fans taller, the difference in quality of opposition is stark.

You're worse engaging in this. The English and Welsh have been pissing laughing since the draw. They knew they are shambolic reams and were still making semi's. To be fair I would laugh my hole off as well if we had had a draw like them

It is very amusing but most were saying we would be out in the group stages like Scotland.

[Simian]

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

…. weren’t bailed out by the ref in their opening game or played an Australia side whose coach had pressed the self destruct button ;)

All true. I hope they enjoy their quarter final...
Oh wait

In the extremely unlikely event that we get out the pool, I will. In the much more likely (effectively certain) scenario that we don’t, it’s not going to bother me in the slightest.

I hope you enjoy your QF tho.

[Simian]

Whereas Scotland have a bit of a task on their hands.

Scotland have to beat Romania by something like 110 points to make up the pd with Ireland, then beat Ireland without letting them gain a LBP or a try BP. Ireland are on the back of an away series win in New Zealand, a run in the November tests which included beating South Africa and then a 6N Grand Slam. They've just beaten South Africa again to confirm their number one in the world status. At this point in time I can only see a full strength France or South Africa having a chance of matching them, even then it looks unlikely. Even if the seemingly impossible does happen we'd have to beat France or the All Blacks to make the semi finals.

As I say it's a bit of a task facing Scotland.

This doesn't make Welsh fans taller, the difference in quality of opposition is stark.

You're worse engaging in this. The English and Welsh have been pissing laughing since the draw. They knew they are shambolic reams and were still making semi's. To be fair I would laugh my hole off as well if we had had a draw like them

It is very amusing but most were saying we would be out in the group stages like Scotland.

Fiji and OZ to qualify for me.
The noise coming out of the Welsh camp isn't good at all.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It is very amusing but most were saying we would be out in the group stages like Scotland.

I doubt most people cared enough about Wales to have ventured an opinion either way, and of those who did I suspect they'd have thought Wales would finish top two alongside Australia.

[Tichtheid]

Oh I agree we will be ripped apart but at least we have made the knock out phase.
Whereas Scotland....

Whereas Scotland have a bit of a task on their hands.

Scotland have to beat Romania by something like 110 points to make up the pd with Ireland, then beat Ireland without letting them gain a LBP or a try BP. Ireland are on the back of an away series win in New Zealand, a run in the November tests which included beating South Africa and then a 6N Grand Slam. They've just beaten South Africa again to confirm their number one in the world status. At this point in time I can only see a full strength France or South Africa having a chance of matching them, even then it looks unlikely. Even if the seemingly impossible does happen we'd have to beat France or the All Blacks to make the semi finals.

As I say it's a bit of a task facing Scotland.

This doesn't make Welsh fans taller, the difference in quality of opposition is stark.

You're worse engaging in this. The English and Welsh have been pissing laughing since the draw. They knew they are shambolic teams and were still making semi's. To be fair I would laugh my hole off as well if we had had a draw like them

I came to terms with not qualifying from the pool some time ago, my ire lies solely with WR for doing the draw so long ago - I don't think any comparable team competition does this, even FIFA aren't this bad and there are a lot more teams to accommodate in their competitions.

Welsh fans crowing about qualifying from their half of the draw is small potatoes.

I hope Fiji go through.

[C69]

You're worse engaging in this. The English and Welsh have been pissing laughing since the draw. They knew they are shambolic reams and were still making semi's. To be fair I would laugh my hole off as well if we had had a draw like them

It is very amusing but most were saying we would be out in the group stages like Scotland.

Fiji and OZ to qualify for me.
The noise coming out of the Welsh camp isn't good at all.

Never ever annoy the Mockers

[Torquemada 1420]

I wish some of the neutrals would actually give Wales some credit.
Gats has turned this bunch of rag tag nobodies around.
A semi final place a possibility with an inevitable bumming from Ireland on the cards.
Just happy to be at the knockout stages.
Unlike the gash Scots

That's a shame. I was happy to go along with you for a bit of that and then you spoilt it. Wales have done well in the Tier 2 competition but would get splatted across the park by 3, maybe 4, of the teams in the Tier 1 competition we are in.

1) A semi final place was always a possibility with this skewed draw. Granted, before the comp, I'd have said Wal were gone if they lost to Fiji (which they should have) but would have been wrong, because of the unexpected gulf last night. Whether that's a Gats' turnaround or a Jones' demolition is up for debate. I suspect some of both. Certainly no way I'd have said Wal would top the pool, so credit there.

2) FWIW, as posted during the game, I think Sco have under performed. Not "gash": which is certainly what Aus were. Trouble is even if they had been pitch perfect the entire comp, the draw (again) was seeing them on the plane home with a 95% probability.

[Torquemada 1420]

I came to terms with not qualifying from the pool some time ago, my ire lies solely with WR for doing the draw so long ago - I don't think any comparable team competition does this, even FIFA aren't this bad and there are a lot more teams to accommodate in their competitions.

Welsh fans crowing about qualifying from their half of the draw is small potatoes.

I hope Fiji go through.

Whilst any of SA, Ire, NZ, Fra or Sco has perfect justification in berating WR for the insane draw, at least the 1st 4 maintained a realistic expectation of making it out of the pools. Sco were all but executed before a ball was kicked.

[Tichtheid]

I came to terms with not qualifying from the pool some time ago, my ire lies solely with WR for doing the draw so long ago - I don't think any comparable team competition does this, even FIFA aren't this bad and there are a lot more teams to accommodate in their competitions.

Welsh fans crowing about qualifying from their half of the draw is small potatoes.

I hope Fiji go through.

Whilst any of SA, Ire, NZ, Fra or Sco has perfect justification in berating WR for the insane draw, at least the 1st 4 maintained a realistic expectation of making it out of the pools. Sco were all but executed before a ball was kicked.

Being brutally honest, losing to Japan in that terrific match four years ago stuffed us, but we have improved by a considerable amount since then.

[_Os_]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

[Line6 HXFX]

Wales can beat anyone, even if they just kick the opposition the ball, and say "come on then cunts"..and defend like bastards and get penalties like yesterday.

Win their lineouts and scrums, play positionally and 80% of the time, play anti rugby or Gatwank with a side order of fitness [even though we haven' really seen it in 4 years, amd since the last world cup when wales won 17 matches on the bounce and were Number 1 in the world) and it is more than enough.

It seems to me top tier teams supporters have exhaulted their teams, and imagine they are somehow unbeatable.

The thing about full firing Gatwank, or Warrenball is it is seriously makes the opposition look and play like shit, to the point no one knows if they actually are.

Turns the rugby world on its head. Frustrates the balls off it. Shoves rather large egos into the dirt and pisses on them.

Wales are back baby..

[Paddington Bear]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

[Guy Smiley]

The Welsh…

They really are like this. I thought it was all spite and cliche, but here we are. Looking at it.

[Sandstorm]

Would Wales beat England this week?

[C69]

Would Wales beat England this week?

I would say no
Nor would they beat Scotland.

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Would Wales beat England this week?

I would say no
Nor would they beat Scotland.

But Scotland are gash (according to you). And Wales just put in their most complete performance in 10 years (also according to you). Yet Wales would lose to Scotland? You're all over the place.

[Slick]

https://x.com/jimhamilton4/status/17062 ... tSNBueE4mg

Very good

[_Os_]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

I take your point and I'm wondering myself. But they do have something to play for, finishing third is an auto qualification for RWC 2027.

Losing against Portugal means going through qualification against Tonga, and maybe Samoa if they don't finish third in Pool D, in what'll be a knockout style process or home and away tests. It'll be played in the July 2025 window if the past is any guide, they'll have to take it seriously and it'll be on at the same time as the Lions series, if qualification isn't moved they end up with must win games against Lions/Samoa/Tonga all at once on the same weekends. If they fail to qualify through that process, there'll likely be another playoff match/es against the winner from the weaker Oceania sides (PNG/Cooks/Solomons), a losers final, winning that gets them into the Asia/Oceania playoff against probably HK or South Korea (but maybe Japan if they don't come third in Pool D) and another chance to qualify by winning that, losing puts them into the repechage mini tournament against teams like Spain/Kenya/USA/Chile/Russia which they would have to win.

Losing to Portugal opens the possibility of needing to qualify for a RWC. Potentially we see something like the Wallabies playing in PNG in some desperate process to qualify for a RWC.

Whenever you see people say "things cannot get any worse", as we've seen on this thread. It usually means it's time to consider how much deeper the hole will get.

[C69]

Would Wales beat England this week?

I would say no
Nor would they beat Scotland.

But Scotland are gash (according to you). And Wales just put in their most complete performance in 10 years (also according to you). Yet Wales would lose to Scotland? You're all over the place.

Such is the schizoid nature of a Wales fan

[Fonz]

Don’t see too many Aussies around here, so anybody feel free to chime in, but since some are saying this wasn’t the best Wallaby team they could have put out, 1) what does the best Australia XV look like and 2) how much of a difference could it have made? Cuz I look at the squad for this past Rugby Championship (where they were repeatedly spread) and I see an awful lot of the same names…

[Fonz]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

I want to believe, but honestly the best case scenario I can see — if Portugal brings their A game, no guarantee — is a single digit Aussie win.

Could also see them taking out their anger on Os Lobos. We shall see.

[Simian]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

I want to believe, but honestly the best case scenario I can see — if Portugal brings their A game, no guarantee — is a single digit Aussie win.

Could also see them taking out their anger on Os Lobos. We shall see.

Yeah, I hope I’m wrong but I can see them staying in touch and then falling away second half.

Then again, it’s always possible Australian do better than I expect ;)

[Simian]

Don’t see too many Aussies around here, so anybody feel free to chime in, but since some are saying this wasn’t the best Wallaby team they could have put out, 1) what does the best Australia XV look like and 2) how much of a difference could it have made? Cuz I look at the squad for this past Rugby Championship (where they were repeatedly spread) and I see an awful lot of the same names…

I take your point. I think the issue is leaving out some experienced guys that I truly think would have seem them make a game of it last night.

The point about the warm ups is good though and shows the difference in gatland v jones. Gatland used the time he’s been in the hot seat to try stuff and then made a call. Jones used the warm ups to try and play his call into a side.

There is no way an Australian side playing KO rugby with more experienced heads on the field gives up three in a game like that to go line out and blow it like that, imo

[Lobby]

Don’t see too many Aussies around here, so anybody feel free to chime in, but since some are saying this wasn’t the best Wallaby team they could have put out, 1) what does the best Australia XV look like and 2) how much of a difference could it have made? Cuz I look at the squad for this past Rugby Championship (where they were repeatedly spread) and I see an awful lot of the same names…

I take your point. I think the issue is leaving out some experienced guys that I truly think would have seem them make a game of it last night.

The point about the warm ups is good though and shows the difference in gatland v jones. Gatland used the time he’s been in the hot seat to try stuff and then made a call. Jones used the warm ups to try and play his call into a side.

There is no way an Australian side playing KO rugby with more experienced heads on the field gives up three in a game like that to go line out and blow it like that, imo

After the 6N Gatland realised that Wales were in a much worse place than he had thought before (re)taking the job. Since then he has concentrated on improving their fitness and developing a very simple game plan that suits the abilities of the players he has (basically defend like mad in your own half, kick for territory, only try and play rugby in the opposition half and above all wait for the opposition to make mistakes while not making any yourself). Its not too dissimilar to England's game plan, except Wales tend not to kick the ball away in good attacking positions.

Eddie realised that Australia were also in a terrible place, but instead of adapting to that, he jettisoned their best players and has encouraged the remainder to try and play a 'chaos' based game with no discernible game plan or strategy. The results of these alternative approaches were devastatingly demonstrated last night. Wales employed their simple and relatively risk-free game plan very effectively while the Wobblies lack of direction or nouse resulted in an increasingly abject performance. It was clear the players were trying hard, but without any combined set of purpose or direction everything they did ended either in a stupid and avoidable mistake or more often in a penalty for Wales.

[Paddington Bear]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

I want to believe, but honestly the best case scenario I can see — if Portugal brings their A game, no guarantee — is a single digit Aussie win.

Could also see them taking out their anger on Os Lobos. We shall see.

Yep, agree narrow win is most likely. I’m banking on a total meltdown for my scenario

[Paddington Bear]

Meh, I thought Wales would top the group, Fiji second, Wallabies on the plane home (are they going to beat Portugal?).

Welsh just have some sort of psychological need to be the underestimated hated outsider, the plucky underdog or something, it's a bit odd. On paper they were the best side in the pool if they got everything working well.

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

I take your point and I'm wondering myself. But they do have something to play for, finishing third is an auto qualification for RWC 2027.

Losing against Portugal means going through qualification against Tonga, and maybe Samoa if they don't finish third in Pool D, in what'll be a knockout style process or home and away tests. It'll be played in the July 2025 window if the past is any guide, they'll have to take it seriously and it'll be on at the same time as the Lions series, if qualification isn't moved they end up with must win games against Lions/Samoa/Tonga all at once on the same weekends. If they fail to qualify through that process, there'll likely be another playoff match/es against the winner from the weaker Oceania sides (PNG/Cooks/Solomons), a losers final, winning that gets them into the Asia/Oceania playoff against probably HK or South Korea (but maybe Japan if they don't come third in Pool D) and another chance to qualify by winning that, losing puts them into the repechage mini tournament against teams like Spain/Kenya/USA/Chile/Russia which they would have to win.

Losing to Portugal opens the possibility of needing to qualify for a RWC. Potentially we see something like the Wallabies playing in PNG in some desperate process to qualify for a RWC.

Whenever you see people say "things cannot get any worse", as we've seen on this thread. It usually means it's time to consider how much deeper the hole will get.

Don’t stand there and threaten me with a good time like that.

IIRC to qualify for the 03 world cup Ireland had to beat Russia in Siberia. Don’t think that one is on the cards atm but otherwise I’m intrigued

[_Os_]

Wallabies seem totally shellshocked and demoralised. Nothing to play for, if Portugal can score early I genuinely think they can win

I take your point and I'm wondering myself. But they do have something to play for, finishing third is an auto qualification for RWC 2027.

Losing against Portugal means going through qualification against Tonga, and maybe Samoa if they don't finish third in Pool D, in what'll be a knockout style process or home and away tests. It'll be played in the July 2025 window if the past is any guide, they'll have to take it seriously and it'll be on at the same time as the Lions series, if qualification isn't moved they end up with must win games against Lions/Samoa/Tonga all at once on the same weekends. If they fail to qualify through that process, there'll likely be another playoff match/es against the winner from the weaker Oceania sides (PNG/Cooks/Solomons), a losers final, winning that gets them into the Asia/Oceania playoff against probably HK or South Korea (but maybe Japan if they don't come third in Pool D) and another chance to qualify by winning that, losing puts them into the repechage mini tournament against teams like Spain/Kenya/USA/Chile/Russia which they would have to win.

Losing to Portugal opens the possibility of needing to qualify for a RWC. Potentially we see something like the Wallabies playing in PNG in some desperate process to qualify for a RWC.

Whenever you see people say "things cannot get any worse", as we've seen on this thread. It usually means it's time to consider how much deeper the hole will get.

Don’t stand there and threaten me with a good time like that.

IIRC to qualify for the 03 world cup Ireland had to beat Russia in Siberia. Don’t think that one is on the cards atm but otherwise I’m intrigued

I have just remembered they're hosting in 2027. They will auto qualify as hosts.

So there really is nothing riding on the Portugal match.

[C69]

I take your point and I'm wondering myself. But they do have something to play for, finishing third is an auto qualification for RWC 2027.

Losing against Portugal means going through qualification against Tonga, and maybe Samoa if they don't finish third in Pool D, in what'll be a knockout style process or home and away tests. It'll be played in the July 2025 window if the past is any guide, they'll have to take it seriously and it'll be on at the same time as the Lions series, if qualification isn't moved they end up with must win games against Lions/Samoa/Tonga all at once on the same weekends. If they fail to qualify through that process, there'll likely be another playoff match/es against the winner from the weaker Oceania sides (PNG/Cooks/Solomons), a losers final, winning that gets them into the Asia/Oceania playoff against probably HK or South Korea (but maybe Japan if they don't come third in Pool D) and another chance to qualify by winning that, losing puts them into the repechage mini tournament against teams like Spain/Kenya/USA/Chile/Russia which they would have to win.

Losing to Portugal opens the possibility of needing to qualify for a RWC. Potentially we see something like the Wallabies playing in PNG in some desperate process to qualify for a RWC.

Whenever you see people say "things cannot get any worse", as we've seen on this thread. It usually means it's time to consider how much deeper the hole will get.

Don’t stand there and threaten me with a good time like that.

IIRC to qualify for the 03 world cup Ireland had to beat Russia in Siberia. Don’t think that one is on the cards atm but otherwise I’m intrigued

I have just remembered they're hosting in 2027. They will auto qualify as hosts.

So there really is nothing riding on the Portugal match.

You guys are trolling too hard.
OZ will beat Portugal with ease

[_Os_]

You guys are trolling too hard.

Meanwhile, a photo of the Welsh earlier in the thread lecturing on how Wales are unfairly underrated and hard drone by, how people are dismissing the Wallabies instead of rating them heavily to avoid giving Wales credit, how they may not win their semi, the glorious Gatland etc. French/Kiwi/Irish/Saffa/Scottish patiently sit listening to the semi finalists.

[Sandstorm]

You guys are trolling too hard.

Meanwhile, a photo of the Welsh earlier in the thread lecturing on how Wales are unfairly underrated and hard drone by, how people are dismissing the Wallabies instead of rating them heavily to avoid giving Wales credit, how they may not win their semi, the glorious Gatland etc. French/Kiwi/Irish/Saffa/Scottish patiently sit listening to the semi finalists.

[average joe]

Wales needs to drop out in the quarters. I don't want the Boks to face them this WC.

[Line6 HXFX]

Rugby is a business, most pundits and journalists are in the pocket of someone. How else do they get access?

I don't expect the English media or ITV to have said anything positive about Wales (again...quarter finalists, possibly last 4..) leading into the world cup, unfortunately the British / London media are the gate keepers of Welsh Rugby to the world, in a way, and exactly where the world gets its information and narratives about us from.
Fijians (and the whole world) seemed fucking outraged we beat them.
People honestly believe that the only way Wales could have beat Fiji was by Refereeing and NH corruption.

It gets worse when England are shit. Wales gets dragged down into England (and Australias) whole shitty mess.

It is just interesting, the media dynamics..and it's power bases and structures..
It is like Rugby is a middle class posh boy sport, for the elites...the media is stacked full of posh boys, being the only people who can afford to work and train and get started in the media as unpaid interns..and it results in the entire SH thinking working class Wales (at the end of the day, a fully professional team that lives for rugby with a great coach) are so shit (Wales were ontop for 65 minutes) , they must have robbed them.

[C69]

Wales needs to drop out in the quarters. I don't want the Boks to face them this WC.

Don't we play you guys if we beat Argentina?
I'd prefer to play SA tbh