NPR

Lobby wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:44 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:39 am

bogbunny wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:19 am Given the sentencing handed out to rioters this week, what sort of term is punchy boy likely to get?

10-12 years since he clocked 3 or 4 officers?

One suspects there's more a back story to this because in isolation it's just very weird given all the cameras, police and even armed police at an airport it's a super weird place to kick off, even if one is very angry after being exposed to RyanAir. More than happy to let the CPS mull this one and evaluate evidence not in the public domain. And then fingers crossed we don't get bad actors berating the decision as too harsh/lenient, but I'm not exactly confident there.

Whatever decision is taken, you can be sure that the Daily Heil, Piers Morgan and their ilk will pretend to be outraged.

And the other side too. Some of the muslim chaps I know through work, socialyl conservative accountant types, are liable to say the attack on the lad on the floor was as unwarranted as the attack on the girls in Stockport. Which is the kind of comment one hears and thinks perhaps it's best we stop talking now, but they're getting that view from somewhere, and the sense of injustice is real

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:49 am

Lobby wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:44 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:39 am

One suspects there's more a back story to this because in isolation it's just very weird given all the cameras, police and even armed police at an airport it's a super weird place to kick off, even if one is very angry after being exposed to RyanAir. More than happy to let the CPS mull this one and evaluate evidence not in the public domain. And then fingers crossed we don't get bad actors berating the decision as too harsh/lenient, but I'm not exactly confident there.

Whatever decision is taken, you can be sure that the Daily Heil, Piers Morgan and their ilk will pretend to be outraged.

And the other side too. Some of the muslim chaps I know through work, socialyl conservative accountant types, are liable to say the attack on the lad on the floor was as unwarranted as the attack on the girls in Stockport. Which is the kind of comment one hears and thinks perhaps it's best we stop talking now, but they're getting that view from somewhere, and the sense of injustice is real

Something I’ve observed interacting over a long period with British Pakistanis is that they are a very tight knit and insular community. They tend to live in their own communities to which they have deep ties that connect across the country (see how Yakoob and Anwer appeared out of nowhere for the family involved), and it’s a factor in how and why they mobilise in large numbers for demonstrations outside the police station, for pro-Gaza marches etc.

There’s a real ‘them and us’ mentality that leads you towards seeing a kick to the head being on a par with three dead children, or as I remember being told vividly, the real victims of the liquid bomb plot being the families of those arrested.

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:44 amSomething I’ve observed interacting over a long period with British Pakistanis is that they are a very tight knit and insular community. They tend to live in their own communities to which they have deep ties that connect across the country (see how Yakoob and Anwer appeared out of nowhere for the family involved), and it’s a factor in how and why they mobilise in large numbers for demonstrations outside the police station, for pro-Gaza marches etc.

There’s a real ‘them and us’ mentality that leads you towards seeing a kick to the head being on a par with three dead children, or as I remember being told vividly, the real victims of the liquid bomb plot being the families of those arrested.

Well, that's a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one.

There are definitely parts of the community that are extremely insular, but it's certainly not the bulk of British Pakistanis.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:49 am And the other side too. Some of the muslim chaps I know through work, socialyl conservative accountant types, are liable to say the attack on the lad on the floor was as unwarranted as the attack on the girls in Stockport. Which is the kind of comment one hears and thinks perhaps it's best we stop talking now, but they're getting that view from somewhere, and the sense of injustice is real

That's true, there are fuckwits on both sides

epwc wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:57 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:44 amSomething I’ve observed interacting over a long period with British Pakistanis is that they are a very tight knit and insular community. They tend to live in their own communities to which they have deep ties that connect across the country (see how Yakoob and Anwer appeared out of nowhere for the family involved), and it’s a factor in how and why they mobilise in large numbers for demonstrations outside the police station, for pro-Gaza marches etc.

There’s a real ‘them and us’ mentality that leads you towards seeing a kick to the head being on a par with three dead children, or as I remember being told vividly, the real victims of the liquid bomb plot being the families of those arrested.

Well, that's a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one.

There are definitely parts of the community that are extremely insular, but it's certainly not the bulk of British Pakistanis.

It’s certainly a generalisation to which there are exceptions, I disagree that it doesn’t represent the bulk (at least in terms of the insularity).

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:49 am

Lobby wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:44 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:39 am

One suspects there's more a back story to this because in isolation it's just very weird given all the cameras, police and even armed police at an airport it's a super weird place to kick off, even if one is very angry after being exposed to RyanAir. More than happy to let the CPS mull this one and evaluate evidence not in the public domain. And then fingers crossed we don't get bad actors berating the decision as too harsh/lenient, but I'm not exactly confident there.

Whatever decision is taken, you can be sure that the Daily Heil, Piers Morgan and their ilk will pretend to be outraged.

And the other side too. Some of the muslim chaps I know through work, socialyl conservative accountant types, are liable to say the attack on the lad on the floor was as unwarranted as the attack on the girls in Stockport. Which is the kind of comment one hears and thinks perhaps it's best we stop talking now, but they're getting that view from somewhere, and the sense of injustice is real

The attack in Southport was carried out by Christian church going lad born in Wales.

C69 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:36 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:49 am

Lobby wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:44 am

Whatever decision is taken, you can be sure that the Daily Heil, Piers Morgan and their ilk will pretend to be outraged.

And the other side too. Some of the muslim chaps I know through work, socialyl conservative accountant types, are liable to say the attack on the lad on the floor was as unwarranted as the attack on the girls in Stockport. Which is the kind of comment one hears and thinks perhaps it's best we stop talking now, but they're getting that view from somewhere, and the sense of injustice is real

The attack in Southport was carried out by Christian church going lad born in Wales.

I'd happily stipulate all the god botherers are worrying folk, but really they're just latching onto anything bad to draw as they see it an equivalence, and that's what else has been in the news.

and these aren't people who in everyday life are frankly all that radical. these are people I spend time proving accounts to, some of them would be worried by the amount of excitement an actuary experiences week to week

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:03 pm these are people I spend time proving accounts to, some of them would be worried by the amount of excitement an actuary experiences week to week

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:24 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:03 pm these are people I spend time proving accounts to, some of them would be worried by the amount of excitement an actuary experiences week to week

epwc wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:57 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:44 amSomething I’ve observed interacting over a long period with British Pakistanis is that they are a very tight knit and insular community. They tend to live in their own communities to which they have deep ties that connect across the country (see how Yakoob and Anwer appeared out of nowhere for the family involved), and it’s a factor in how and why they mobilise in large numbers for demonstrations outside the police station, for pro-Gaza marches etc.

There’s a real ‘them and us’ mentality that leads you towards seeing a kick to the head being on a par with three dead children, or as I remember being told vividly, the real victims of the liquid bomb plot being the families of those arrested.

Well, that's a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one.

There are definitely parts of the community that are extremely insular, but it's certainly not the bulk of British Pakistanis.

As with all minorities or immigrant communities.... when you wear derogatory labels for year after year there is surely some sort of collective resentment that sparks a few more than others. In that sense I think it's understandable.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:39 am

bogbunny wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:19 am Given the sentencing handed out to rioters this week, what sort of term is punchy boy likely to get?

10-12 years since he clocked 3 or 4 officers?

One suspects there's more a back story to this because in isolation it's just very weird given all the cameras, police and even armed police at an airport it's a super weird place to kick off, even if one is very angry after being exposed to RyanAir. More than happy to let the CPS mull this one and evaluate evidence not in the public domain. And then fingers crossed we don't get bad actors berating the decision as too harsh/lenient, but I'm not exactly confident there.

From what I gather the incident was the culmination of a number of other incidents in the airport, assaults on public, security and police, that this group had been involved in. When people are complaining that the cops immediately laid hands on the suspects, I would suggest that was because they had already decided they were getting arrested, no ifs, no buts, so what you don't do in that situation is get involved in a debate. Secure the suspect and arrest them.

https://www.threads.net/@politicsintheu ... eADLHD67XA

London - Leicester Square stabber apparently

Blackmac wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:28 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:39 am

bogbunny wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:19 am Given the sentencing handed out to rioters this week, what sort of term is punchy boy likely to get?

10-12 years since he clocked 3 or 4 officers?

One suspects there's more a back story to this because in isolation it's just very weird given all the cameras, police and even armed police at an airport it's a super weird place to kick off, even if one is very angry after being exposed to RyanAir. More than happy to let the CPS mull this one and evaluate evidence not in the public domain. And then fingers crossed we don't get bad actors berating the decision as too harsh/lenient, but I'm not exactly confident there.

From what I gather the incident was the culmination of a number of other incidents in the airport, assaults on public, security and police, that this group had been involved in. When people are complaining that the cops immediately laid hands on the suspects, I would suggest that was because they had already decided they were getting arrested, no ifs, no buts, so what you don't do in that situation is get involved in a debate. Secure the suspect and arrest them.

I'm not judging in this, not either side actually in terms of what came before because I simply don't know. Just it seems near certain there must have been something happening earlier, and I remain confident in the Police and CPS to pursue the various transgressions as they see fit.

CPS have finally charged both of the scumbags with police assault. No criminal or disciplinary charges against any of the officers involved. The cowards in charge of GMP have also lifted the officer's suspension.

Blackmac wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:48 pm CPS have finally charged both of the scumbags with police assault. No criminal or disciplinary charges against any of the officers involved. The cowards in charge of GMP have also lifted the officer's suspension.

A farce that it took so long