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Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:51 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:01 am Why on earth do they picking on Dominion anyway? Where they're citing issues Trump tends to be ahead on the votes tabulated by Dominion, so the complaint seems somewhat invalidating of what one supposes is the point being made

I don't think it matters to them - they aren't planning to present any of those alleagtions to a court - it's just for consumption of people that don't follow up to understand the facts, and to fuel the gullible Trump base. Oh, and to keep the $$$$$ rolling in from their scam.

It just seems easy to make the lie more believable, there's no need to jump up and down saying I'm with stupid and claim that 120% of votes were counted or that votes were counted in a county that doesn't even exist.

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:27 am I’d forgotten that Melania had secured an equal share for Baron... so let’s see... assuming that there is 1 billion (ha! Fat chance...) to split... Jnr, Fredo, Ivanka and the other one woulda coulda shoulda $250mill.. but now that drops to $200m... how much resentment would $50million buy you?

Not that I think they’ll see anything close to these sums...

I think Ivanka/Kushner already have a net worth of around $1bn. Kushner comes from a very wealthy family.

Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:31 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:27 am I’d forgotten that Melania had secured an equal share for Baron... so let’s see... assuming that there is 1 billion (ha! Fat chance...) to split... Jnr, Fredo, Ivanka and the other one woulda coulda shoulda $250mill.. but now that drops to $200m... how much resentment would $50million buy you?

Not that I think they’ll see anything close to these sums...

I think Ivanka/Kushner already have a net worth of around $1bn. Kushner comes from a very wealthy family.

Wasn't Kushner's family facing bankruptcy over 666 5th Avenue?

Rinkals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:45 pm

Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:31 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:27 am I’d forgotten that Melania had secured an equal share for Baron... so let’s see... assuming that there is 1 billion (ha! Fat chance...) to split... Jnr, Fredo, Ivanka and the other one woulda coulda shoulda $250mill.. but now that drops to $200m... how much resentment would $50million buy you?

Not that I think they’ll see anything close to these sums...

I think Ivanka/Kushner already have a net worth of around $1bn. Kushner comes from a very wealthy family.

Wasn't Kushner's family facing bankruptcy over 666 5th Avenue?

They got bailed out in a magical deal backed by Qatar - there were suggestions that this was to curry favour with Jared who was supporting a blockade of Qatar........

Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:22 pm

Rinkals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:45 pm

Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:31 pm

I think Ivanka/Kushner already have a net worth of around $1bn. Kushner comes from a very wealthy family.

Wasn't Kushner's family facing bankruptcy over 666 5th Avenue?

They got bailed out in a magical deal backed by Qatar - there were suggestions that this was to curry favour with Jared who was supporting a blockade of Qatar........

There was nothing magical about that deal, merely someone stepped in to grant Jared the money when they could've waited for team Kushner to be in the shit and picked up the same interest in 666 for a fraction of the cost. Why people think someone investing in property they're not interested in for a vastly bigger spend than they needed to make represents any possible corruption and huge risk to national security I don't know.

Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:22 pm

Rinkals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:45 pm

Ovals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:31 pm

I think Ivanka/Kushner already have a net worth of around $1bn. Kushner comes from a very wealthy family.

Wasn't Kushner's family facing bankruptcy over 666 5th Avenue?

They got bailed out in a magical deal backed by Qatar - there were suggestions that this was to curry favour with Jared who was supporting a blockade of Qatar........

yeah, I can't wait to hear the full story of 666; bought at the very, very top of the market, for a price that, even at the time, other potential buyers thought was too much money.

Jarrod is a lot like his FiL; a major step down in terms of their ability compared with their fathers. Jarrods last business venture, showed his business acumen; when the 25 year old asked his Daddy to buy him a Newspaper ..... which he staffed with buddies, & if he hadn't sold it to his families trust; would undoubtedly have gone bust.

Jesus, Greenwald is a complete wingnut:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/after- ... otaged-his

If Bernie had been the Democratic nominee, Trump would have won by a landslide and we'd be looking at 4 more years of this nonsense.

As it is, Biden was the only reasonably conservative candidate capable of appealing to the American middle ground and he still conceded 72m votes to the dipshit.

Insane_Homer wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:38 am

His pressuring of Georgia governor may well backfire and see republicans lose the senate. It's a blatant attempt at a coup and he should be going to prison for this alone.

Rudy has tested positive for the Coronavirus.

Ted. wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 pm Rudy has tested positive for the Coronavirus.

Twenty grand a day while he's isolating. Nice work if you can get it .... & assuming the shitgibbon pays the bill

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:05 pm

Ted. wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 pm Rudy has tested positive for the Coronavirus.

Twenty grand a day while he's isolating. Nice work if you can get it .... & assuming the shitgibbon pays the bill

Won't do him much good if he kicks the bucket.

Rudy has become a victim of Trump's downplaying of the risks - constantly meeting with people not wearing masks and not observing strict social distancing.

Ovals wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:36 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:05 pm

Ted. wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 pm Rudy has tested positive for the Coronavirus.

Twenty grand a day while he's isolating. Nice work if you can get it .... & assuming the shitgibbon pays the bill

Won't do him much good if he kicks the bucket.

Rudy has become a victim of Trump's downplaying of the risks - constantly meeting with people not wearing masks and not observing strict social distancing.

He's hardly a victim.

He's an adult, & he made a conscious decision to ignore the Science & follow a fucking moron, who needed to cheat to get entrance to even a dogshit University.

If he dies; it's because he chose money & power over his own safety.

The Rona did not like this gesture from Rudi.

I can barely imagine how the Covid deniers would spin it if Tooty Rudy croked from it.

Niegs wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:18 pm I can barely imagine how the Covid deniers would spin it if Tooty Rudy croked from it.

“It’s just a type of flu”

Niegs wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:18 pm I can barely imagine how the Covid deniers would spin it if Tooty Rudy croked from it.

None of them gave a shite about Herman Cain dying; for obvious reasons; & when Chris Christie ended up in hospital; again, there was no commentary.

Barr hinting that he might be jumping ship before Emperor Vitellius fires him. Presumably he will be replaced by someone in the vein of Judge Jeffreys.

I see Trumps looking to break more records:
- most federal executions in more than a century
- first federal executions during transition in 130 years

What the history books will say about this shitbag.

What anyone sane has been saying about him from day one.

One part of me wants the SCOTUS to overturn the election result and declare election invalid.

Yes, I know that's deranged and I know the damage it would do, not only to the US, but to the rest of the world.

But it would expose their democracy for the sham it is and their judiciary as flawed partisan hacks.

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:29 am One part of me wants the SCOTUS to overturn the election result and declare election invalid.

Yes, I know that's deranged and I know the damage it would do, not only to the US, but to the rest of the world.

But it would expose their democracy for the sham it is and their judiciary as flawed partisan hacks.

Be very very careful what you wish for.

Trump will have overseen the most executions by a US president in more than a century

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55261224

And those are just the officially recognised ones....

Wignu wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:57 am

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:29 am One part of me wants the SCOTUS to overturn the election result and declare election invalid.

Yes, I know that's deranged and I know the damage it would do, not only to the US, but to the rest of the world.

But it would expose their democracy for the sham it is and their judiciary as flawed partisan hacks.

Be very very careful what you wish for.

Yeah.

I know.

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:58 am

Wignu wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:57 am

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:29 am One part of me wants the SCOTUS to overturn the election result and declare election invalid.

Yes, I know that's deranged and I know the damage it would do, not only to the US, but to the rest of the world.

But it would expose their democracy for the sham it is and their judiciary as flawed partisan hacks.

Be very very careful what you wish for.

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah, a coup in the most powerful country in the world is not a good thing for any of us.

Even the attempted coup happening now is dangerous. If they were to succeed in the supreme court, it would, undoubtedly, lead to armed conflict in the US. Certain states would refuse to recognise the president and you might end up with threats to secede from the union.

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:58 pm

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:58 am

Wignu wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:57 am
Be very very careful what you wish for.

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah, a coup in the most powerful country in the world is not a good thing for any of us.

Even the attempted coup happening now is dangerous. If they were to succeed in the supreme court, it would, undoubtedly, lead to armed conflict in the US. Certain states would refuse to recognise the president and you might end up with threats to secede from the union.

The president has no authority to declare an election invalid, and to hope that he would try for a coup is really nasty. He would get no support from any person of authority, including all state governors. I cannot imagine the mindset of someone who wishes civil war to happen for their own vicarious entertainment.

All American posters have said, all along, that it will be a peaceful transition whatever happens.

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:17 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:58 pm

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:58 am

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah, a coup in the most powerful country in the world is not a good thing for any of us.

Even the attempted coup happening now is dangerous. If they were to succeed in the supreme court, it would, undoubtedly, lead to armed conflict in the US. Certain states would refuse to recognise the president and you might end up with threats to secede from the union.

The president has no authority to declare an election invalid, and to hope that he would try for a coup is really nasty. He would get no support from any person of authority, including all state governors. I cannot imagine the mindset of someone who wishes civil war to happen for their own vicarious entertainment.

All American posters have said, all along, that it will be a peaceful transition whatever happens.

Haven't you seen the Texas application? One state AG trying to get another state's election results overturned? One state interfering with another's business like this is entirely unconstitutional but there are elected republican officials trying to do it. There are elected people of authority trying to overturn democratic elections right now, in the USA.

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:59 pm

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:17 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:58 pm

Yeah, a coup in the most powerful country in the world is not a good thing for any of us.

Even the attempted coup happening now is dangerous. If they were to succeed in the supreme court, it would, undoubtedly, lead to armed conflict in the US. Certain states would refuse to recognise the president and you might end up with threats to secede from the union.

The president has no authority to declare an election invalid, and to hope that he would try for a coup is really nasty. He would get no support from any person of authority, including all state governors. I cannot imagine the mindset of someone who wishes civil war to happen for their own vicarious entertainment.

All American posters have said, all along, that it will be a peaceful transition whatever happens.

Haven't you seen the Texas application? One state AG trying to get another state's election results overturned? One state interfering with another's business like this is entirely unconstitutional but there are elected republican officials trying to do it. There are elected people of authority trying to overturn democratic elections right now, in the USA.

That won’t have any legs.

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:20 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:59 pm

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:17 pm
The president has no authority to declare an election invalid, and to hope that he would try for a coup is really nasty. He would get no support from any person of authority, including all state governors. I cannot imagine the mindset of someone who wishes civil war to happen for their own vicarious entertainment.

All American posters have said, all along, that it will be a peaceful transition whatever happens.

Haven't you seen the Texas application? One state AG trying to get another state's election results overturned? One state interfering with another's business like this is entirely unconstitutional but there are elected republican officials trying to do it. There are elected people of authority trying to overturn democratic elections right now, in the USA.

That won’t have any legs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure of that too, but the point is there are senior people in positions of power within individual states who are trying to do this.

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:26 pm

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:20 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:59 pm

Haven't you seen the Texas application? One state AG trying to get another state's election results overturned? One state interfering with another's business like this is entirely unconstitutional but there are elected republican officials trying to do it. There are elected people of authority trying to overturn democratic elections right now, in the USA.

That won’t have any legs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure of that too, but the point is there are senior people in positions of power within individual states who are trying to do this.

It's all very well saying that the case does not have merit, but the SCOTUS has been appointed on the basis of partisan affiliation and not judicial integrity.

According to CNN , these are the States with GOP attorneys general backing Texas: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and West Virginia.

It's funny how a nation that's so widely noted for ousting a King through revolution currently has a mad wannabe king and a lot of little ego maniacs acting similarly, maybe not unlike robber barons.

All the disenfranchisement, corruption, cronyism, etc. continually mocks the 'values' they forever preach and criticise other countries for not having. But it also feels like they're brushing off every attack that comes their way. I wonder if there'd be more people in the streets if it wasn't for Covid?

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:13 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:26 pm

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:20 pm

That won’t have any legs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure of that too, but the point is there are senior people in positions of power within individual states who are trying to do this.

It's all very well saying that the case does not have merit, but the SCOTUS has been appointed on the basis of partisan affiliation and not judicial integrity.

According to CNN , these are the States with GOP attorneys general backing Texas: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and West Virginia.

The thing to remember about SCOTUS though is that Trump has absolutely no pull over them. They're appointed now and can't be removed. Trump has played fast and loose with appointments and patronage, but in particular the three conservative judges who were appointed by Bushes Snr and Jnr are more likely to side with the constitution. The main effect of the conservative nature of SCOTU is the increasing number of religious freedom cases they're choosing to judge and this doesn't really fit into that category.

It depends who you ask.

The Texas AG efforts will surely fail as neither the facts nor the law are on the side of Paxton and all those who've piled on. But even with the expected outcome it's a worrying number who've piled on, this just shouldn't be happening. It is an attempted coup, and seemingly no action will be taken around that.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:07 pm The Texas AG efforts will surely fail as neither the facts nor the law are on the side of Paxton and all those who've piled on. But even with the expected outcome it's a worrying number who've piled on, this just shouldn't be happening. It is an attempted coup, and seemingly no action will be taken around that.

It's a Trump loyalty test. Paxton is fishing for a federal pardon (he's in quite a lot if trouble) and everyone else signing on is looking fir MAGA endorsements and funding.

SCOTUS actually needs to hear argument on this so that they can disembowel it for the political junk that it is.

Saint wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:56 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:07 pm The Texas AG efforts will surely fail as neither the facts nor the law are on the side of Paxton and all those who've piled on. But even with the expected outcome it's a worrying number who've piled on, this just shouldn't be happening. It is an attempted coup, and seemingly no action will be taken around that.

It's a Trump loyalty test. Paxton is fishing for a federal pardon (he's in quite a lot if trouble) and everyone else signing on is looking fir MAGA endorsements and funding.

SCOTUS actually needs to hear argument on this so that they can disembowel it for the political junk that it is.

I’m pretty sure they won’t touch it with a bargepole, in exactly the same way they have avoided all others.

Has Trump now set a precedent for how a losing GOP Presidential candidate will behave after every federal election? Spend months contesting the election result in court? Why do conservatives hate democracy so much?

Fangle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:06 pm

Saint wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:56 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:07 pm The Texas AG efforts will surely fail as neither the facts nor the law are on the side of Paxton and all those who've piled on. But even with the expected outcome it's a worrying number who've piled on, this just shouldn't be happening. It is an attempted coup, and seemingly no action will be taken around that.

It's a Trump loyalty test. Paxton is fishing for a federal pardon (he's in quite a lot if trouble) and everyone else signing on is looking fir MAGA endorsements and funding.

SCOTUS actually needs to hear argument on this so that they can disembowel it for the political junk that it is.

I’m pretty sure they won’t touch it with a bargepole, in exactly the same way they have avoided all others.

And I understand why they're avoiding it. But in the long term that's the wrong decision. They have to destroy this in an unequivocal 9-0 decision. Avoiding it just encourages further, more extreme, nonsense in future

And now Devin Nunes has Covid, but he's fine. Not only does he have the evil gene to counter it, there isn't any evidence that it affects bovidae.