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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:50 am Your thoughts there being a CEO would be on the slow side and need more time? There is some evidence looking across many boards, but still

Kawazaki wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:01 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:50 am Your thoughts there being a CEO would be on the slow side and need more time? There is some evidence looking across many boards, but still

A competent CEO doesn't phone a subordinate immediately to discuss criticism of that subordinate he's just received off the record and in confidence.

In fact, you don't need to reach anywhere near CEO to know that's not a great idea.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:02 am

Kawazaki wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:01 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:50 am Your thoughts there being a CEO would be on the slow side and need more time? There is some evidence looking across many boards, but still

A competent CEO doesn't phone a subordinate immediately to discuss criticism of that subordinate he's just received off the record and in confidence.

In fact, you don't need to reach anywhere near CEO to know that's not a great idea.

They wait 48 hours? 4 weeks?

Maybe you've just met some very different CEOs, the ones I've met have nearly all at times talked about stuff they've heard in the last couple of hours or even minutes

Also this is rugby, just how secret does stuff need to be? I can't say I'm a fan of the RFU executive but that they discuss stuff seems a very odd line of attack

Ymx wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:12 pm What’s this about? Tldr;

Eddie hurt Clive’s feelings, and Clive told the teacher?

Or is this something about O’Shea.

Ymx wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:06 pm So something like this

Sweeneys PA: Clive called again
Sweeney: oh, ffs
Sweeneys PA: He said he had some important insights to share with you
Sweeneys PA: not sure we can put him off again, it’s the 5th time.
Sweeney: oh god, ok, make it a pub, and he’s paying
…
Clive: I’ve been studying the games and …
Clive: Eddie has lost the changing room …
Clive: I would ….
Clive: in 2003 ….
Clive: When we won the World Cup …
Clive: Eddie got it wrong …
Clive: I would never have …

Sweeney: I had to talk to that insufferable prick Woodward.
Eddie: what did he have to say mate?
Sweeny: he wasn’t too complimentary about you.
…
Clive on text: Hi Eddie, I was speaking to Bill and I’ve got some ideas to share with you.
Eddie: yeah mate, great. Or maybe …. just …. fuck … off.

Ymx wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:11 pm Come on man. Who the fuck would ask Woodward?

I’m assuming Woodward made that interpretation.

Plus you’re ruining my narrative, and attempt at humour.

duke wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:08 pm This is the man who thinks Joe Marchant was playing inside centre against Ireland. He may have had a clue 20 years ago, not so much now

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pm I'm not sure why we are so keen to take anything Woodward says at face value.

eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pm I'm not sure why we are so keen to take anything Woodward says at face value.

Any resason to believe it is untrue. We may think Clive's rugby opinions are not worth it, but he doesn't seem to have any reason to not believe this event and I assume he has the text messages to back himself up.

eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pm I'm not sure why we are so keen to take anything Woodward says at face value.

Any resason to believe it is untrue. We may think Clive's rugby opinions are not worth it, but he doesn't seem to have any reason to not believe this event and I assume he has the text messages to back himself up.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:59 pm

eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pm I'm not sure why we are so keen to take anything Woodward says at face value.

Any resason to believe it is untrue. We may think Clive's rugby opinions are not worth it, but he doesn't seem to have any reason to not believe this event and I assume he has the text messages to back himself up.

He's an absolute weather vane and his opinions are reliably garbage. The grandstanding about England's World Cup campaign is typical Clive post hoc bullshit. We only have his word to go on that things happened with that chat the way he says they did. With literally no evidence to go on, I don't understand why people who every other day of the week are rightly cynical about everything Clive says are suddenly treating it as the gospel truth with no way it could've happened differently.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:59 pm

eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pm I'm not sure why we are so keen to take anything Woodward says at face value.

Any resason to believe it is untrue. We may think Clive's rugby opinions are not worth it, but he doesn't seem to have any reason to not believe this event and I assume he has the text messages to back himself up.

He's an absolute weather vane and his opinions are reliably garbage. The grandstanding about England's World Cup campaign is typical Clive post hoc bullshit. We only have his word to go on that things happened with that chat the way he says they did. With literally no evidence to go on, I don't understand why people who every other day of the week are rightly cynical about everything Clive says are suddenly treating it as the gospel truth with no way it could've happened differently.

Slick wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:15 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:59 pm

eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:58 am

Any resason to believe it is untrue. We may think Clive's rugby opinions are not worth it, but he doesn't seem to have any reason to not believe this event and I assume he has the text messages to back himself up.

He's an absolute weather vane and his opinions are reliably garbage. The grandstanding about England's World Cup campaign is typical Clive post hoc bullshit. We only have his word to go on that things happened with that chat the way he says they did. With literally no evidence to go on, I don't understand why people who every other day of the week are rightly cynical about everything Clive says are suddenly treating it as the gospel truth with no way it could've happened differently.

On the other hand you'd expect Eddie to be all over this if it wasn't true.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:33 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:15 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:59 pm

He's an absolute weather vane and his opinions are reliably garbage. The grandstanding about England's World Cup campaign is typical Clive post hoc bullshit. We only have his word to go on that things happened with that chat the way he says they did. With literally no evidence to go on, I don't understand why people who every other day of the week are rightly cynical about everything Clive says are suddenly treating it as the gospel truth with no way it could've happened differently.

On the other hand you'd expect Eddie to be all over this if it wasn't true.

I don't think that's true. He rarely lets himself be baited that way unless he can control the narrative. The Streisand effect would be pretty strong here - the smart and professional thing to do is to just ignore it.

Just strange to me that two of the people who've spent the most time over the years slagging off Clive for every single thing he's ever said and done are now treating him like a saint. I appreciate the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", but all I'm saying here is a little caution would probably be warranted before we start treating what he says as the solemn truth.

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:33 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:15 pm

On the other hand you'd expect Eddie to be all over this if it wasn't true.

I don't think that's true. He rarely lets himself be baited that way unless he can control the narrative. The Streisand effect would be pretty strong here - the smart and professional thing to do is to just ignore it.

Just strange to me that two of the people who've spent the most time over the years slagging off Clive for every single thing he's ever said and done are now treating him like a saint. I appreciate the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", but all I'm saying here is a little caution would probably be warranted before we start treating what he says as the solemn truth.

You realise that two things can be true at the same time don't you? This is child level logic you're displaying here.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:51 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:33 pm

I don't think that's true. He rarely lets himself be baited that way unless he can control the narrative. The Streisand effect would be pretty strong here - the smart and professional thing to do is to just ignore it.

Just strange to me that two of the people who've spent the most time over the years slagging off Clive for every single thing he's ever said and done are now treating him like a saint. I appreciate the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", but all I'm saying here is a little caution would probably be warranted before we start treating what he says as the solemn truth.

You realise that two things can be true at the same time don't you? This is child level logic you're displaying here.

I'm saying it's weird you're now ride or die on the word of a guy you were pathologically incapable of believing for a second or giving a single ounce of credit to in the past, just because you now hate Eddie more. That's not child level logic.

Based on your years and years of banging on about Clive, any normal person would expect you to show a measure of caution when it comes to anything he says, but....

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:06 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:51 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:45 pm



You realise that two things can be true at the same time don't you? This is child level logic you're displaying here.

I'm saying it's weird you're now ride or die on the word of a guy you were pathologically incapable of believing for a second or giving a single ounce of credit to in the past, just because you now hate Eddie more. That's not child level logic.

Based on your years and years of banging on about Clive, any normal person would expect you to show a measure of caution when it comes to anything he says, but....

What part of two things can be true at the same time don't you understand?

I've qualified the difference between how an opinion and an event a different things.

You should be disappointed with yourself. You're smarter than this.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:00 pm We definitely both agree they had that meeting. What was discussed, what the status of it was, what was agreed about it, what was passed to Eddie, and what Eddie said about it are all up for some debate given we have a single unreliable source.

There's just too many stories of ex players contradicting Clive's view of various events in the past to take him at his word.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:59 pm

eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pm I'm not sure why we are so keen to take anything Woodward says at face value.

Any resason to believe it is untrue. We may think Clive's rugby opinions are not worth it, but he doesn't seem to have any reason to not believe this event and I assume he has the text messages to back himself up.

He's an absolute weather vane and his opinions are reliably garbage. The grandstanding about England's World Cup campaign is typical Clive post hoc bullshit. We only have his word to go on that things happened with that chat the way he says they did. With literally no evidence to go on, I don't understand why people who every other day of the week are rightly cynical about everything Clive says are suddenly treating it as the gospel truth with no way it could've happened differently.

To borrow a trademark tautology from Yogi Berra, the beloved baseball icon, it’s like déjà vu all over again.
Eleven months since Beauden Barrett trumpeted the “little pieces of gold” that Eddie Jones was imparting during Suntory training sessions, we are hearing about another working excursion for the England head coach.
Again, the news is emerging on the back of a disappointing Six Nations campaign. Again, a chief justification seems to be that to share knowledge – even with Samu Kerevi, the explosive Australia centre who could face England as soon as July – is completely healthy and mutually beneficial.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:11 pm Eddie brought England close to a victory today. Not easy to beat the Wallabies at home

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:32 pm As a neutral I thought the ref was hard on England or England didn't played the ref well specifically at the rucks in the red area..

At least England show big character at the end to come within 2 points.

Personally think the 2nd Test will be much more challenging for England.

Deepsouth wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:37 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:32 pm As a neutral I thought the ref was hard on England or England didn't played the ref well specifically at the rucks in the red area..

At least England show big character at the end to come within 2 points.

Personally think the 2nd Test will be much more challenging for England.

Considering the circumstances it was a very good win full of character from a young Wallaby team.

Bloody bonza boys......

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:46 pm

Deepsouth wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:37 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:32 pm As a neutral I thought the ref was hard on England or England didn't played the ref well specifically at the rucks in the red area..

At least England show big character at the end to come within 2 points.

Personally think the 2nd Test will be much more challenging for England.

Considering the circumstances it was a very good win full of character from a young Wallaby team.

Bloody bonza boys......

They struggled last year in the first Test against the Springboks but then they beat us with ease in the 2nd one.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:25 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:11 pm Eddie brought England close to a victory today. Not easy to beat the Wallabies at home

Henry Arundell playing his natural game in the few minutes he was given off the bench nearly brought the victory today. England doing the things Eddie told them to do for most of the game resulted in staring down an embarassing loss. Regardless of the scoreboard much of that performance was trash from England.

Happyhooker wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:15 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:25 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:11 pm Eddie brought England close to a victory today. Not easy to beat the Wallabies at home

Henry Arundell playing his natural game in the few minutes he was given off the bench nearly brought the victory today. England doing the things Eddie told them to do for most of the game resulted in staring down an embarassing loss. Regardless of the scoreboard much of that performance was trash from England.

Nearly bought what sodding victory? The game was over as a contest when he and VP scored

FalseBayFC wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:31 pm Why is George Ford not considered for the England no.10 jersey? Suits the England game better.