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Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:01 pm
by Slick
Sandstorm wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:59 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:56 pm All the CCS ones we have come across seem to have two big extra holes on the bottom which makes it impossible to fit
Those are for your thumbs
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Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:11 pm
by epwc
Came up to Harrogate today, stopped at my usual stop in Newark 4 Osprey fast chargers. Somebody has nicked the cables all been angle ground off.

Went to the next nearest at Morrisons but the payment thing wasn’t working.

Luckily there was an InstaVolt pretty much on the A1 so I was OK but yeah there needs to be better provision

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:24 am
by epwc

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:40 pm
by Biffer
epwc wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:04 pm Funeral today, had to chat with loads more fuckwits. I know Essex is a bit special but I’m frankly flabbergasted at the rancid ignorance I encounter sometimes.

Was talking to someone who has a private jet, probably goes skiing 7 or 8 weekends a year, has a place in Mallorca, loves to get his flying hours in.

He has basically swallowed the whole anti climate thing and was regurgitating it back to me. No argument because he was right, he had absolutely no factual sources that he could present.

We ended up talking about migrants, I explained to him that climate change will increase people in boats ā€œwho are just coming here for a better lifeā€, you mean like your dad who came here as a single man in 1964 for the sole purpose of improving his earnings. Er no, that’s different.

Go fuck yourself, fucking tosser
Last thing you needed today. You would have been within your rights to clout him.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:49 pm
by epwc

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:50 pm
by sockwithaticket

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:17 pm
by epwc
Much more

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:55 pm
by epwc
Another reason why we need to stop using oil:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqepd5kk8ko

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:57 pm
by epwc
ā€œIt's a financial black hole - funnelling taxpayers' money into reducing risk for multi-million-pound energy companies," said shadow energy secretary Claire Coutinho.

Something the Tories wrote the book on!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crglp32zzw2o

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:31 pm
by epwc

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:14 pm
by S/Lt_Phillips
Not just in California, but Oregon and Washington state too. My son is walking the Pacific Crest Trail (started mid March as is now on the Oregon/Washington border, 2,150 odd miles done, about 500 to go) so I'm keeping a sharp eye on all the wildfires. Frightening stuff - large areas are tinder dry following heatwaves in the last month or so, then thunderstorms have set of fires all over the place. Plus the usual additions of carelessness and arson. And they can spread really fast with the wind. They do have them every year, of course, but this year seems to be a bad one (as was 2023). Jasper in Canada has been devastated too.

There's an wildfire layer for Google maps if you're interested (and an air quality index layer too).

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:11 pm
by epwc

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:11 pm
by epwc
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:14 pmThere's an wildfire layer for Google maps if you're interested (and an air quality index layer too).
Thanks, how do you get that?

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:47 pm
by S/Lt_Phillips
epwc wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:11 pm
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:14 pmThere's an wildfire layer for Google maps if you're interested (and an air quality index layer too).
Thanks, how do you get that?
Near the top-right corner (on android, dunno about iphone) there's a button with a diamond shape and a chevron line under it. Press that to chose various layers (traffic etc), you might have to select 'more' to see the wildfires and AQI.

https://app.watchduty.org/ is good too, in an alarming kind of way

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:37 pm
by epwc
Got it thanks, kin scary is all I can say

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:22 pm
by Biffer
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:47 pm
epwc wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:11 pm
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:14 pmThere's an wildfire layer for Google maps if you're interested (and an air quality index layer too).
Thanks, how do you get that?
Near the top-right corner (on android, dunno about iphone) there's a button with a diamond shape and a chevron line under it. Press that to chose various layers (traffic etc), you might have to select 'more' to see the wildfires and AQI.

https://app.watchduty.org/ is good too, in an alarming kind of way
That's really useful, cheers. On my way to Utah at the moment but it seems to be clear for the time being.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:07 pm
by Niegs
Firesmoke.ca is informative and scary at the same time: https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/

We also have a risk map: https://cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/interactive-map

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:37 am
by Tichtheid
This is climate change’: Scottish beach eroding by 7 metres a year
Centuries-old Montrose golf links falling into the sea and town at risk of flooding as coastal erosion accelerates



https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:04 am
by inactionman
Tichtheid wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:37 am This is climate change’: Scottish beach eroding by 7 metres a year
Centuries-old Montrose golf links falling into the sea and town at risk of flooding as coastal erosion accelerates



https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change
Areas in Norfolk have suffered this for years, although more to do with natural geology rather than changing climate.

There are things that can and have been done for some of Norfolk's problem areas, not sure how they'd scale.

Of course, it shouldn't be needed, but here we are.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:32 am
by Niegs
inactionman wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:04 am
Tichtheid wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:37 am This is climate change’: Scottish beach eroding by 7 metres a year
Centuries-old Montrose golf links falling into the sea and town at risk of flooding as coastal erosion accelerates



https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change
Areas in Norfolk have suffered this for years, although more to do with natural geology rather than changing climate.

There are things that can and have been done for some of Norfolk's problem areas, not sure how they'd scale.

Of course, it shouldn't be needed, but here we are.
Dunwich is a fascinating example:
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Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:56 pm
by Enzedder
Looks like the breakthrough to better batteries has taken place (and even their cheap batteries are streets better than the lithium ones)
Six hundred miles, 20 years lifespans and a nine minute charge. That knocks out 3 of the major complaints about Ev.

On another note Kelly blue book researchers predict Ev charging stations will outnumber gasoline stations by 2032.

Samsung debuts EV battery with 600-mile charge in 9 minutes, 20-year lifespan

Samsung has pulled the wraps off a game-changing innovation in electric vehicle (EV) battery technology. Introducing their cutting-edge solid-state batteries, the tech giant has unleashed a power source that promises to rewrite the rules of EV performance and practicality

These solid-state batteries hold the promise of revolutionizing the electric vehicle (EV) industry, as they are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most EVs. They have the potential to power electric vehicles with a 600-mile range, charge in just 9 minutes, and have a lifespan of 20 years.

Samsung’s oxide solid-state battery technology boasts an impressive energy density of 500 Wh/kg, nearly double the 270 Wh/kg density of mainstream EV batteries. This increased density could potentially double the driving range of current electric vehicles.

However, due to their high production costs, these batteries’ initial application will be limited to the ā€œsuper premiumā€ EV segment, which typically offers a driving range of around 600 miles per charge. In addition, Samsung will be introducing high-nickel NCS products for the premium segment.
Alongside its work on solid-state batteries, Samsung is also developing more affordable lithium iron phosphate (LFP) and cobalt-free batteries, as well as a dry electrode production method to reduce costs. ā€œWe will not only match the price in the popular and entry-level segments, but also mass produce products that can be rapidly charged in 9 minutes by 2026,ā€ highlighted Samsung SDI.

While Samsung’s solid-state battery progress is significant, the company must navigate a competitive landscape dominated by Chinese manufacturers. Limited availability of high-speed charging infrastructure remains a notable challenge, as some Chinese battery makers already offer 5C or 6C charging speeds, equivalent to 480kW and even 600kW charging stations.

However, the visible approach of all battery makers to offer longer lifespans of batteries, often referred to as ā€œmillion-mileā€ batteries, is a notable trend. Samsung’s vision to ā€œextend the battery life to 20 yearsā€ aligns with this broader market trend.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:12 pm
by Guy Smiley
Got a link to that article, Enz? Most battery makers have been working on solid state technology with none close to commercial release yet.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:33 pm
by Raggs
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:12 pm Got a link to that article, Enz? Most battery makers have been working on solid state technology with none close to commercial release yet.
There's at least one with commercial release: https://yoshinopower.com/products/b330- ... er-station

Not sure if you can buy in the UK or just the US for now.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:39 pm
by Guy Smiley
Raggs wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:33 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:12 pm Got a link to that article, Enz? Most battery makers have been working on solid state technology with none close to commercial release yet.
There's at least one with commercial release: https://yoshinopower.com/products/b330- ... er-station

Not sure if you can buy in the UK or just the US for now.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

I was a bit loose with my wording. I'm thinking of EV applications.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:01 pm
by epwc
Very very close there’ll be at least one Chinese ev in production next year with solid state

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:02 pm
by epwc
I know there are use cases where you need a big range but mostly range is overblown as an issue

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:08 pm
by Raggs
epwc wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:02 pm I know there are use cases where you need a big range but mostly range is overblown as an issue
600 mile range is basically at the point where you need to stop and have a proper rest anyway, more than 9 minutes charging time anyway.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:09 pm
by Sandstorm
epwc wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:02 pm I know there are use cases where you need a big range but mostly range is overblown as an issue
Range is vital if you can’t charge it when you want to (you of course know this). Until the charging network gets better, range anxiety will exist.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:11 pm
by epwc
Agree, infrastructure is where the government really needs to step in and at least insist on open access payment platforms and open data for broken and busy chargers

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:15 pm
by Hal Jordan
Raggs wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:08 pm
epwc wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:02 pm I know there are use cases where you need a big range but mostly range is overblown as an issue
600 mile range is basically at the point where you need to stop and have a proper rest anyway, more than 9 minutes charging time anyway.
Could you clarify why 600 miles is required? The way you have phrased it is as if you are doing 600 miles without stopping, which at the average UK road speed of 50 mph would be 12 hours.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:21 pm
by epwc
600 miles is a LOT in the UK context, perhaps in the US or Oz.

A cold weather range of 300 miles is plenty

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:46 pm
by Raggs
Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:15 pm
Raggs wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:08 pm
epwc wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:02 pm I know there are use cases where you need a big range but mostly range is overblown as an issue
600 mile range is basically at the point where you need to stop and have a proper rest anyway, more than 9 minutes charging time anyway.
Could you clarify why 600 miles is required? The way you have phrased it is as if you are doing 600 miles without stopping, which at the average UK road speed of 50 mph would be 12 hours.
I'm trying to say that I can't see why anyone would need any more. Even that is excessive. 600 is the amount given in the article.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:34 pm
by Jethro
In support for the environment increasingly Aussie retailers are being forced to stop using plastic bags, particularly supermarkets, while wrapping about everything in plastic. Window dressing comes to mind, sorry Dad joke :wtf

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 12:04 pm
by weegie01
Talking about window dressing, the Olympics were full of it.

At the venues we were at you had to buy a refundable plastic cup for soft drinks. So when you bought a soft drink, they took a plastic bottle out of the fridge and filled the cup from it. Even if the cup was returned there was no net benefit as at least one extra plastic item was created.

It also massively slowed the queues as individual fizzy drinks were poured.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:32 am
by laurent
weegie01 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 12:04 pm Talking about window dressing, the Olympics were full of it.

At the venues we were at you had to buy a refundable plastic cup for soft drinks. So when you bought a soft drink, they took a plastic bottle out of the fridge and filled the cup from it. Even if the cup was returned there was no net benefit as at least one extra plastic item was created.

It also massively slowed the queues as individual fizzy drinks were poured.
Coca cola are the biggest Plastic Waste producer in the world.

PS they were supposed to have dispensers...

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:01 am
by weegie01
laurent wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:32 am
weegie01 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 12:04 pm Talking about window dressing, the Olympics were full of it.

At the venues we were at you had to buy a refundable plastic cup for soft drinks. So when you bought a soft drink, they took a plastic bottle out of the fridge and filled the cup from it. Even if the cup was returned there was no net benefit as at least one extra plastic item was created.

It also massively slowed the queues as individual fizzy drinks were poured.
Coca cola are the biggest Plastic Waste producer in the world.

PS they were supposed to have dispensers...
I did wonder as the plastic cups would have made sense if the drinks were on draft.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:45 am
by laurent
weegie01 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:01 am
laurent wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:32 am
weegie01 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 12:04 pm Talking about window dressing, the Olympics were full of it.

At the venues we were at you had to buy a refundable plastic cup for soft drinks. So when you bought a soft drink, they took a plastic bottle out of the fridge and filled the cup from it. Even if the cup was returned there was no net benefit as at least one extra plastic item was created.

It also massively slowed the queues as individual fizzy drinks were poured.
Coca cola are the biggest Plastic Waste producer in the world.

PS they were supposed to have dispensers...
I did wonder as the plastic cups would have made sense if the drinks were on draft.
They should have been and that would have been better.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 11:13 am
by Sandstorm
weegie01 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:01 am
I did wonder as the plastic cups would have made sense if the drinks were on draft.
French water is too filthy to make cola with.

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 11:28 am
by epwc

Re: Climate Change - Why don't we care?

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:08 pm
by Niegs
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