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At last, some sensible commentaryNot_Couch wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:04 am This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
Order comes out of chaos
Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit
Qanon FTW.Slick wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:17 amAt last, some sensible commentaryNot_Couch wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:04 am This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
Order comes out of chaos
Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit
Maaaate, one of his colleagues was dragged into the mob and killed. He did the right thingmat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:27 pmHe should never have been in a position of being on his own - whoever was directing the "defence" was useless.Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:20 pm Let down by his training? What was he meant to do there other than start emptying a magazine into the crowd?
I thought he did fine delaying them for about as long as he could whilst giving ground.
In the footage I saw, he could have easily laid into the crowd with the asp and given them pause. It's the very basic application of a baton in defence - likely he wasn't trained properly in it's use.
Don't forget, this building was designed when government buildings were still being attacked - it is full of natural choke-points for defence.
Will they take the arrested folk back to the Capital stairs?fishfoodie wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:39 amYep; no pardons getting handed out now; & you can probably add on 5 years to every sentence.
If he tries that, he'll have the legal fight of his life; & all the opinions I've heard on this are that it's a nonrunner. If he hadn't thrown Pence under the bus; he could have just done a Nixon, & been fine.And 1 guest wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:10 am Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.
In the UK? Hes lying and giving it the Billy big bollocks. I have done genuine PO training.mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:38 pmThat's my point - fear is the driver in mob situations. The bit where he was at the top of the stairs was the crux. If he's have laid out that twat in the hat who was trying to intimidate him, he'd have a greater chance of holding them back.Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:31 pm Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .
Of course, it's a very fluid situation and I wasn't there, I'm just outlining the methodology. Once he gave up the stairwell, it was over without reinforcement
I have done some riot shield training with a mate who is in a Prison response team - they use the "Roman" shield tactic - once you take out one you push forward and use the bottom rim to smash them a few times on the way through. The following line uses their boots in the same way
I have subsequently seen those. Fucking bad craic media outlets showing that.fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:37 pmBeing reported that she has died.Jock42 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:26 pmShe will be pronounced dead. Not often someone in a pre-hospital traumatic arrest survives.fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:06 pm woman protestor shot in the neck; doesn't look good, but she's in hospital now.
I won't repost the video.
You apparently saw the video of her being brought to the ambulance, while having CPR administered; there's another video of the shooting & the immediate aftermath; & I didn't post it; & was surprised that a respectable media organization did post it; because it was the last thing any family of hers should have seen.
I'm fine with it, even into it you might say. Most people will only ever see someone shot via entertainment mediums, showing them what it actually looks like might give some of them a useful does of reality. Especially in the US where they're so bloody wedded to their firearms and too many don't seem to have the necessary respect for their potentially lethal weaponsJock42 wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:40 amI have subsequently seen those. Fucking bad craic media outlets showing that.fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:37 pmBeing reported that she has died.Jock42 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:26 pm
She will be pronounced dead. Not often someone in a pre-hospital traumatic arrest survives.
You apparently saw the video of her being brought to the ambulance, while having CPR administered; there's another video of the shooting & the immediate aftermath; & I didn't post it; & was surprised that a respectable media organization did post it; because it was the last thing any family of hers should have seen.
The woman sounded like a total nutbar. Even her husband said "people either like her or loath her"Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:21 am You don't try to climb over a "last barricade to an area where terrified staff are sheltering" when (probably equally terrified) people are pointing guns at you already and don't expect to get shot.
He'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.And 1 guest wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:10 am Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.
Where did I say it was the UK and the police?Jock42 wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:30 amIn the UK? Hes lying and giving it the Billy big bollocks. I have done genuine PO training.mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:38 pmThat's my point - fear is the driver in mob situations. The bit where he was at the top of the stairs was the crux. If he's have laid out that twat in the hat who was trying to intimidate him, he'd have a greater chance of holding them back.Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:31 pm Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .
Of course, it's a very fluid situation and I wasn't there, I'm just outlining the methodology. Once he gave up the stairwell, it was over without reinforcement
I have done some riot shield training with a mate who is in a Prison response team - they use the "Roman" shield tactic - once you take out one you push forward and use the bottom rim to smash them a few times on the way through. The following line uses their boots in the same way
No one seems to want to be the first person in the modern era to actually set the precedent of enacting that amendment. I think they're also justifiably concerned about further inflaming Mango Mussolini's base at the moment, which emphasises how much the loons have veered into full blown terrorism. They're literally scaring politicians out of doing their jobs.Rinkals wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:32 pmHe'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.And 1 guest wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:10 am Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.
Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.
I was reading an analysis of tge 25th amendment today, and unless you can guarantee you're going to get two-thirds majorities in both houses then it's of little use in this situation. Trump would almost certainly return to the presidency before Biden's inaugurationsockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:51 pmNo one seems to want to be the first person in the modern era to actually set the precedent of enacting that amendment. I think they're also justifiably concerned about further inflaming Mango Mussolini's base at the moment, which emphasises how much the loons have veered into full blown terrorism. They're literally scaring politicians out of doing their jobs.Rinkals wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:32 pmHe'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.And 1 guest wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:10 am Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.
Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.
The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.
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"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.
"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."
Action at this stage is largely symbolic given how little of the term is left, but it's an important symbol. Until the Georgia senators are sworn in they can't rely on an impeachment going through either, but surely it's worthwhile taking these steps to keep the pressure on Republicans to course correct and force them to publicly either get in line with denouncing a wannabe dictator or maintain support for Trump who has been increasingly toxic within the GOP post-election even before the events of the last few days.Saint wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:58 pmI was reading an analysis of tge 25th amendment today, and unless you can guarantee you're going to get two-thirds majorities in both houses then it's of little use in this situation. Trump would almost certainly return to the presidency before Biden's inaugurationsockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:51 pmNo one seems to want to be the first person in the modern era to actually set the precedent of enacting that amendment. I think they're also justifiably concerned about further inflaming Mango Mussolini's base at the moment, which emphasises how much the loons have veered into full blown terrorism. They're literally scaring politicians out of doing their jobs.Rinkals wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:32 pm
He'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.
Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.
I think it's over now. That video he put out was a humiliation that he has never had before and I don't think he will recover to any decent strength.GogLais wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:55 pm Apparently bombs have been found at the headquarters of the Democrat and Republican parties. It isn't brilliant insight to say that the mob will turn against the entire political class, not just one side of it. Also I heard Eric Trump saying it isn't the Republican Party any more, it's Donald Trump's Republican Party. This is going to make the Labour Party's internal arguments look trivial.
Yes, it's a very "This leopard is eating my face!?" moment for the magahideen.Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:40 pm Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?
As he strolled past gold-framed portraits of past Congressional leaders, one rioter who stormed the Capitol in a pro-Trump mob on Wednesday wore a red Trump hat, a commemorative sweatshirt from the president’s inauguration and a lanyard around his neck.
When a photo of him went viral, it didn’t take Internet sleuths long to realize that the lanyard held his work badge — clearly identifying him as an employee of Navistar Direct Marketing, a printing company in Frederick, Md.
On Thursday, Navistar swiftly fired him.
He’s not alone among the rioters who wreaked havoc in Congress. While police and the FBI work to identify and arrest members of the mob, online detectives are also crowdsourcing information and doxing them — exposing the rioters to criminal prosecution, but also more immediate action from their bosses.
Since most of the rioters stormed the Capitol maskless, online detectives had a unique opportunity to easily identify them. And many made it even easier — they live-streamed their participation and later bragged about their escapades.
Using journalists’ photos and videos, as well as live-streamed videos from rioters, untold Twitter users and Instagram accounts have been feverishly working since Wednesday to ID and name the participants who stormed the halls of the Capitol, ransacking lawmakers’ offices and occupying the House Chamber.
Some, like the Instagram account @homegrownterrorists, amassed huge followings in a few hours. When posters believe they’ve identified someone, the images are updated with names and details about the person — like their social media handle, hometown or job title.
The FBI has been attempting a similar tactic. The Washington field office tweeted dozens of images of rioters on Thursday, asking the public to help identify people. Through early Thursday, police said they arrested 69 people from at least 20 states and the District for charges ranging from unlawful entry of public property, to violating curfew and assaulting a police officer. The department is also offering a $1,000 reward for tips that lead to an arrest.
Dozens arrested after mob storms Capitol; officials vow that more will be charged
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Problem is, they just need someone a little more polished and competent than Trump (who still got masses of votes despite all we know) who doesn't alienate "normal" people and a real threat to democracy could end up in the White House. The foundations are well laid given how Trump has shown how easily the supposed limits on him can be bent, strained and broken.sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:49 pmYes, it's a very "This leopard is eating my face!?" moment for the magahideen.Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:40 pm Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?
It won't be popular, they'll be screeched at incessantly and portrayed as traitors and/or simply trying to exclude conservatives from government, but the Dems need to spend the next two years going hell for leather on a legislative agenda the shores up the failsafes. Their democracy needs it. The question is whether they're willing to take the fall for doing what's necessary and maybe sacrifice some electability to do it.Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:47 pmProblem is, they just need someone a little more polished and competent than Trump (who still got masses of votes despite all we know) who doesn't alienate "normal" people and a real threat to democracy could end up in the White House. The foundations are well laid given how Trump has shown how easily the supposed limits on him can be bent, strained and broken.sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:49 pmYes, it's a very "This leopard is eating my face!?" moment for the magahideen.Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:40 pm Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?
Just had to duck the shrapnel of my exploding irony detector as whichever evolutionary dead end with the megaphone chants brownshirts at the cops...
"Dominion has sent retraction demands or document preservation letters...to more than 20 individuals and entities, including to [L Lin] Wood, ...Pat Cipollone and ...Rudolph W. Giuliani; and to Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and the Epoch Times..."-Emma Brown, WaPo Jan 8
I guess his plan to destroy Obama's legacy didn't extend to graciously attending the coronation of the man's former Vice President.