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Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:58 am
by FalseBayFC
Nice!

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:58 am
by Paddington Bear
That’s a truly dismal performance. Smith running out of excuses with front foot ball and his preferred 9, but far from the only issue.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:59 am
by Kiwias
Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:54 am 3 mins of reset coming up to kill off this game. How do refs allow this every week?
Hooper says “Hold my beer”

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:59 am
by Hal Jordan
Absolutely bummed.

Are we playing 15, because we look like we are the way we're desperately scrambling I defence.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:59 am
by Biffer
This is an utter embarrassment for England given the circumstances.

Eddie will keep his job though, he’s nailed on until the RWC. Which is nice.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:59 am
by Lobby
Arundel scores with his first touch.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:59 am
by PCPhil
So why wasn’t he given more time Jones? Cvnt.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:00 pm
by Margin__Walker
Seriously Eddie. Just start the kid next week

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:00 pm
by Biffer
That’ll be Arundell dropped from the 23 for next week.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by Tichtheid
Wow, Arudell had no right to score that, brilliant

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by FalseBayFC
Arundel doing a Kolbe.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by petej
Thick captain selected due to his obedience to the coach who has lost it = thick team. I can see why Nowell is in front of Arundell. :lol:

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by sockwithaticket
Arundell capped and making a mockery of being tossed on with the game almost done and already lost is about the best thing to come out of this game for us.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Biffer wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:00 pm That’ll be Arundell dropped from the 23 for next week.
Needs more Sarries.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by Kiwias
Amazing try

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:01 pm
by Ymx
That kid is brilliant

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:02 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:58 am LMAO.

ASMO was right. Eng hammered by 14 men.
Correction. 13 men.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm
by dpedin
I like neeps wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 am Yet again Marcus Smith fails to live up the hype. Farrell should play 10.
Problem has been having Smith and Farrell on the pitch at the same time. I would let Smith play 10 and give him a proper 12 outside. Too many cooks ...

England defence has been awful coupled with complete lack of imagination in their back play. Going back to the Vunipolas is a big mistake, they are both pretty one dimensional now, they might be the big bully boys in the league but they're not good enough now at international level.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm
by Tichtheid
Well well

Appetites whetted for next week at least

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm
by petej
Couldn't put the subs on as not trusted by Eddie until we had definitely lost.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:04 pm
by Tichtheid
dpedin wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 am Yet again Marcus Smith fails to live up the hype. Farrell should play 10.
Problem has been having Smith and Farrell on the pitch at the same time. I would let Smith play 10 and give him a proper 12 outside. Too many cooks ...

England defence has been awful coupled with complete lack of imagination in their back play. Going back to the Vunipolas is a big mistake, they are both pretty one dimensional now, they might be the big bully boys in the league but they're not good enough now at international level.
England never really got on the front foot, not to any degree of dominance, no fly half is going to shine under those circumstances. I get the feeling people want Smith to fail

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:05 pm
by PCPhil
It’s an English thing.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:05 pm
by Gumboot
Good second half.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:05 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Sky trying to give Eng a draw :lol:

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:05 pm
by ASMO
Score absolutly flattered England happy for Arundell and VP, but they are wasted in this utter garbage team. It is still going to be 3-0 to Australia.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm
by Lobby
Arundell touched the ball twice in his 5 minutes on the field, scored once and had a major hand in another.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm
by sockwithaticket
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:04 pm
dpedin wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 am Yet again Marcus Smith fails to live up the hype. Farrell should play 10.
Problem has been having Smith and Farrell on the pitch at the same time. I would let Smith play 10 and give him a proper 12 outside. Too many cooks ...

England defence has been awful coupled with complete lack of imagination in their back play. Going back to the Vunipolas is a big mistake, they are both pretty one dimensional now, they might be the big bully boys in the league but they're not good enough now at international level.
England never really got on the front foot, not to any degree of dominance, no fly half is going to shine under those circumstances. I get the feeling people want Smith to fail
Some people legitimately think Farrell should be 10 :crazy:

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm
by sockwithaticket
Lobby wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm Arundell touched the ball twice in his 5 minutes on the field, scored once and had a major hand in another.
Made a mockery of being left on the bench so long, great to see.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:07 pm
by Torquemada 1420
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm Some people legitimately think Farrell should be 10 :crazy:
Even after how many years of proof that it doesn't work. :crazy:

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:08 pm
by Biffer
Don’t know what game Will Greenwood was watching.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm
by Kawazaki
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:04 pm
dpedin wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm

Problem has been having Smith and Farrell on the pitch at the same time. I would let Smith play 10 and give him a proper 12 outside. Too many cooks ...

England defence has been awful coupled with complete lack of imagination in their back play. Going back to the Vunipolas is a big mistake, they are both pretty one dimensional now, they might be the big bully boys in the league but they're not good enough now at international level.
England never really got on the front foot, not to any degree of dominance, no fly half is going to shine under those circumstances. I get the feeling people want Smith to fail
Some people legitimately think Farrell should be 10 :crazy:


Why not? It's his best position.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm
by notfatcat
dpedin wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:03 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 am Yet again Marcus Smith fails to live up the hype. Farrell should play 10.
Problem has been having Smith and Farrell on the pitch at the same time. I would let Smith play 10 and give him a proper 12 outside. Too many cooks ...

England defence has been awful coupled with complete lack of imagination in their back play. Going back to the Vunipolas is a big mistake, they are both pretty one dimensional now, they might be the big bully boys in the league but they're not good enough now at international level.
We don't have a proper 12. I think we should either play Smith with a 12 who's actually a 12, or play Ford and Farrell. I think the latter is preferable.

England just looked clueless. At least Ludlum brought a bit of dog and Arundell a slice of magic.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm
by Ymx
Farrell clearly still thinks he’s captain in that huddle

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:11 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Kawazaki wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm Some people legitimately think Farrell should be 10 :crazy:


Why not? It's his best position.
Are you genuinely that blinkered? It may be his best position but he's so far from being an intl FH, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that he should not even be in the Eng squad.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:12 pm
by ASMO
The main issue is in the midfield in that we don't have one, there is zero threat, zero penetration, zero creativity. If Farrell is not playing at 10, he should not be in the team. If England are looking to play a fast wide game, Smith is the answer Farrell on the bench at best.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:12 pm
by Kawazaki
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:11 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm Some people legitimately think Farrell should be 10 :crazy:


Why not? It's his best position.
Are you genuinely that blinkered? It may be his best position but he's so far from being an intl FH, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that he should not even be in the Eng squad.


Your opinion carries a heavy caveat.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:13 pm
by Tichtheid
Dingwall at 12?

Or is he usually a 13?

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:14 pm
by sockwithaticket
Kawazaki wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:06 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:04 pm

England never really got on the front foot, not to any degree of dominance, no fly half is going to shine under those circumstances. I get the feeling people want Smith to fail
Some people legitimately think Farrell should be 10 :crazy:


Why not? It's his best position.
The win rate with him at 10 and Ford at 10 is starkly different, it's statistical confirmation of what's seemed apparent when watching him down the years - can't get us firing. Now, some of that is England generally being crap all too often, but I don't think sticking him at 10 solves any of the problems we have, so why do it?

Even when he's been doing the business there for Sarries, he hasn't for England when given the opportunity.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:14 pm
by Kawazaki
ASMO wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:12 pm The main issue is in the midfield in that we don't have one, there is zero threat, zero penetration, zero creativity. If Farrell is not playing at 10, he should not be in the team. If England are looking to play a fast wide game, Smith is the answer Farrell on the bench at best.

England need to use pace in midfield instead of heft. They can't do that with Eddie Jones as head coach because he's not a good enough coach to select and prepare a side like that.

Re: England in Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:15 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:12 pm The main issue is in the midfield in that we don't have one, there is zero threat, zero penetration, zero creativity.
All of that and you can throw in zero pace in the absence of May.