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Was pleasantly surprised with England yesterday - looked in control throughout and really should have scored at least one more.
Stupid tournament format means that gives us one foot in the next round already.

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Fairly certain Scotland's race is done in this tournament.

ASMO wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:49 pm Fairly certain Scotland's race is done in this tournament.

Probably need at least four points from their games against England and Croatia, and that looks like quite a big ask at this stage.

Remember Jocks it could always be worse

Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:29 pm

am stealing that, very good :-)

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

He was miles out of his area though

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

Were they? Can’t say I noticed.

I never understand why keepers come out so far though, a bit of showboating?

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:23 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

Were they? Can’t say I noticed.

I never understand why keepers come out so far though, a bit of showboating?

They're constantly giving orders to the defence and are an additional passing target these days.

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:36 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:23 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

Were they? Can’t say I noticed.

I never understand why keepers come out so far though, a bit of showboating?

They're constantly giving orders to the defence and are an additional passing target these days.

But David Marshall isn't a passing target. Also why is a CB shooting from 40 yards.

It's classic Scotland to concede a wondergoal that ends our first tournament in 20+ years because our keeper decided he was Manuel Neuer and centre back decided he was prime Roberto Carlos.

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah, 100% the keepers fault. Not only was he out of position he made a non existent effort at a save and just ran into the net.

Should have at least jumped and tried to get his fingertips on the ball.

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:19 pm

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Nah, that’s bollocks. Marshall was miles off his line. Was a lovely finish from the Czech, but he had an empty net to aim at. 100% on him.

Should have been Gordon in goal. Marshall hasn’t been on form at all. But Clarke was always starting him as the hero of the playoff.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:36 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:23 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

Were they? Can’t say I noticed.

I never understand why keepers come out so far though, a bit of showboating?

They're constantly giving orders to the defence and are an additional passing target these days.

Give it a rest

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:37 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:36 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:23 pm

Were they? Can’t say I noticed.

I never understand why keepers come out so far though, a bit of showboating?

They're constantly giving orders to the defence and are an additional passing target these days.

Give it a rest

I... what? It was a genuine answer! You only have to watch how the top teams often pass back to the keeper standing well outside his area for him to distribute it to see it's a real tactic.

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:19 pm

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm Not sure why people were booing the keeper, he got bbq’d by his teammates giving the ball away in midfield. Nothing he could have done

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Nah, Scotland had been far too passive. I was delighted to see the lad have a dig. On another day it could have been a completely different outcome, but regardless, that goal wouldn't have been scored if Marshall wasn't being so daft. To be fair to him he was the only Scot, bar Robertson who stepped up.

Yr Alban wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:25 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:19 pm

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Nah, that’s bollocks. Marshall was miles off his line. Was a lovely finish from the Czech, but he had an empty net to aim at. 100% on him.

Should have been Gordon in goal. Marshall hasn’t been on form at all. But Clarke was always starting him as the hero of the playoff.

I think the bigger question is why were Christie and O'donnell on the pitch and why a primary school team would quickly learn how to defend Dykes's "aerial threat".

Yr Alban wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:25 pm
Nah, that’s bollocks. Marshall was miles off his line. Was a lovely finish from the Czech, but he had an empty net to aim at. 100% on him.

Should have been Gordon in goal. Marshall hasn’t been on form at all. But Clarke was always starting him as the hero of the playoff.

He is the poorest keeper in the squad but as you say penalty saves have lifted him way above his station despite being part of the reason that game went to penalties IIRC.

Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:53 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:19 pm

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Nah, Scotland had been far too passive. I was delighted to see the lad have a dig. On another day it could have been a completely different outcome, but regardless, that goal wouldn't have been scored if Marshall wasn't being so daft. To be fair to him he was the only Scot, bar Robertson who stepped up.

He stepped up a little too far....

Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:53 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:19 pm

Blackmac wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:49 pm

He was wandering about in the centre circle FFS. Entirely his fault.

Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Nah, Scotland had been far too passive. I was delighted to see the lad have a dig. On another day it could have been a completely different outcome, but regardless, that goal wouldn't have been scored if Marshall wasn't being so daft. To be fair to him he was the only Scot, bar Robertson who stepped up.

I agree, I can't see the problem with him having a shot. I didn't think Scotland played that badly really. Robertson was great. We lost to a decent goal and a fantastic freak goal, but made a few chances ourselves - trust us to let in a goal that could be made into a meme.... In saying that, I can't see us winning a game now, so that's us for a while, nice while it lasted.

Christ knows why the organisers stuck England Scotland on at 8 on a Friday - promises to be carnage.

Spain Sweden last night was a strange game - Spain made all the running without really looking like putting one in, and Sweden with one real chance really should have snuck it. A format where finishing third probably sends you through encourages negative football.

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:01 am Christ knows why the organisers stuck England Scotland on at 8 on a Friday - promises to be carnage.

Spain Sweden last night was a strange game - Spain made all the running without really looking like putting one in, and Sweden with one real chance really should have snuck it. A format where finishing third probably sends you through encourages negative football.

Haven't Spain always been a bit like that; so enamoured with keeping the ball and executing lovely passing moves that they forgot to score any goals.

Lobby wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:47 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:01 am Christ knows why the organisers stuck England Scotland on at 8 on a Friday - promises to be carnage.

Spain Sweden last night was a strange game - Spain made all the running without really looking like putting one in, and Sweden with one real chance really should have snuck it. A format where finishing third probably sends you through encourages negative football.

Haven't Spain always been a bit like that; so enamoured with keeping the ball and executing lovely passing moves that they forgot to score any goals.

Lobby wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:47 pm Haven't Spain always been a bit like that; so enamoured with keeping the ball and executing lovely passing moves that they forgot to score any goals.

That's Arsenal.

Ronaldo confirms he is the best footballer ever

Slick wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:37 am

Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:53 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:19 pm
Yeah have since seen the other angle - not one he’ll want to look at. Maintain the real cause was awful outfield play

Nah, Scotland had been far too passive. I was delighted to see the lad have a dig. On another day it could have been a completely different outcome, but regardless, that goal wouldn't have been scored if Marshall wasn't being so daft. To be fair to him he was the only Scot, bar Robertson who stepped up.

I agree, I can't see the problem with him having a shot. I didn't think Scotland played that badly really. Robertson was great. We lost to a decent goal and a fantastic freak goal, but made a few chances ourselves - trust us to let in a goal that could be made into a meme.... In saying that, I can't see us winning a game now, so that's us for a while, nice while it lasted.

I actually thought we did OK too. The game was 40th place v 44th place in the FIFA rankings and it was actually fairly even. Scotland had most of the possession and almost twice the shots on goal.

The psychological effect of the Marshall fuckup can’t be underestimated. Scotland were 1-0 down, possibly slightly against the overall run of play, they had had a solid penalty claim denied and were pressing hard for an equaliser. Then the Czechs were gifted an unearned second goal out of absolutely nowhere, and it absolutely knocked the stuffing out of Scotland. You could actually see their heads go down.

Kante really is a marvellous player. No fucking about, just gets on with his game. Football would be so much more watchable with more like him

Think there will be a reasonable amount of carnage in London on Friday.

Predicted 20,000 Scots travelling down - all trains out of Glasgow and Edinburgh full - plus you'd expect a few thousand more to be travelling from various parts of England and London itself.

I know we are pretty proud of our reputation as great fans, but come 7.30 pm after a day drinking in the sun and suddenly realising they have nowhere to watch the game there is a fair bit of potential for uglyness.

Slick wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 am Think there will be a reasonable amount of carnage in London on Friday.

Predicted 20,000 Scots travelling down - all trains out of Glasgow and Edinburgh full - plus you'd expect a few thousand more to be travelling from various parts of England and London itself.

I know we are pretty proud of our reputation as great fans, but come 7.30 pm after a day drinking in the sun and suddenly realising they have nowhere to watch the game there is a fair bit of potential for uglyness.

As long as they are socially distanced, I'm sure it'll be fine.

Slick wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 am Think there will be a reasonable amount of carnage in London on Friday.

Predicted 20,000 Scots travelling down - all trains out of Glasgow and Edinburgh full - plus you'd expect a few thousand more to be travelling from various parts of England and London itself.

I know we are pretty proud of our reputation as great fans, but come 7.30 pm after a day drinking in the sun and suddenly realising they have nowhere to watch the game there is a fair bit of potential for uglyness.

No one ever covers themselves in glory at England Scotland football matches. Mentioned this earlier in the thread I think but you'd have thought they'd make it the earlier kick off.

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:32 am

Slick wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 am Think there will be a reasonable amount of carnage in London on Friday.

Predicted 20,000 Scots travelling down - all trains out of Glasgow and Edinburgh full - plus you'd expect a few thousand more to be travelling from various parts of England and London itself.

I know we are pretty proud of our reputation as great fans, but come 7.30 pm after a day drinking in the sun and suddenly realising they have nowhere to watch the game there is a fair bit of potential for uglyness.

No one ever covers themselves in glory at England Scotland football matches. Mentioned this earlier in the thread I think but you'd have thought they'd make it the earlier kick off.

Crazy that it's not. Also, given everything else that is going on I don't really see why they couldn't have stuck up a big screen somewhere.

Slick wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:33 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:32 am

Slick wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 am Think there will be a reasonable amount of carnage in London on Friday.

Predicted 20,000 Scots travelling down - all trains out of Glasgow and Edinburgh full - plus you'd expect a few thousand more to be travelling from various parts of England and London itself.

I know we are pretty proud of our reputation as great fans, but come 7.30 pm after a day drinking in the sun and suddenly realising they have nowhere to watch the game there is a fair bit of potential for uglyness.

No one ever covers themselves in glory at England Scotland football matches. Mentioned this earlier in the thread I think but you'd have thought they'd make it the earlier kick off.

Crazy that it's not. Also, given everything else that is going on I don't really see why they couldn't have stuck up a big screen somewhere.

Because other than those with tickets there is no reason for people to travel given the current circumstances. There is a fan zone in Glasgow they could have tried to get tickets for.

Big D wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:27 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:33 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:32 am

No one ever covers themselves in glory at England Scotland football matches. Mentioned this earlier in the thread I think but you'd have thought they'd make it the earlier kick off.

Crazy that it's not. Also, given everything else that is going on I don't really see why they couldn't have stuck up a big screen somewhere.

Because other than those with tickets there is no reason for people to travel given the current circumstances. There is a fan zone in Glasgow they could have tried to get tickets for.

Well, yes, of course, but in the real world this was always going to happen.

Monkeyboy misses a penalty for Wales, could prove costly

ASMO wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:21 pm Monkeyboy misses a penalty for Wales, could prove costly

Ramsey had a couple of good chances in the first half as well. Wales should be a two or three goals up here.