Springbokke EYT NH match threads

[OomStruisbaai]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

[OomStruisbaai]

The Scots pack was very good against the Wallabies. If they match us up front, we'll have a real struggle.

[Chilli]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

If Fassi starts Sards will be BACK!

[Chilli]

The Scots pack was very good against the Wallabies. If they match us up front, we'll have a real struggle.

Ja
They were very good. The back can be sublime.

[OomStruisbaai]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

If Fassi starts Sards will be BACK!

We don't want Sards back. He post on PR with Niek. Verraaiers.

[Sards]

Fantastic to see what class Frans Steyn is. Twice now he has saved us blushes . He may be older than the experimental favorites but he clearly is head to head the best utility back and fullback we have. Hopefully Nienaber stops his senseless player development at international level after this reminder. For the rest " ai vooitog :".This game plan is really really getting old now. Scraping wins is not in our best interests. Although Herschel has improved his passing game he really does need a long time to think about his next move and this has stifled our attack. I can make a cup of coffee in the time he takes to get to the ruck and work out his next move and pass it on. All those vokken doos kicks...
Our forwards were outstanding as usual. What a game from Kwagga. Geez. How kak was Jessie. Nienaber and Rassie are vokking up big time with their backline selections. It clearly shows how weak in character Nienaber is .
Let's celebrate the W . As far as future development of the team goes unless he starts playing inform players in their natural positions and not vokking around to include buddies out of position we are not ever going to move away from this dom as vok game plan.

[Blake]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

Has Nkosi's passport issue been resolved?

[OomStruisbaai]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

Has Nkosi's passport issue been resolved?

Hope so.

[Chilli]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

Has Nkosi's passport issue been resolved?

Yes.
He is now a Zimbabwean

[Chilli]

Fantastic to see what class Frans Steyn is. Twice now he has saved us blushes . He may be older than the experimental favorites but he clearly is head to head the best utility back and fullback we have. Hopefully Nienaber stops his senseless player development at international level after this reminder. For the rest " ai vooitog :".This game plan is really really getting old now. Scraping wins is not in our best interests. Although Herschel has improved his passing game he really does need a long time to think about his next move and this has stifled our attack. I can make a cup of coffee in the time he takes to get to the ruck and work out his next move and pass it on. All those vokken doos kicks...
Our forwards were outstanding as usual. What a game from Kwagga. Geez. How kak was Jessie. Nienaber and Rassie are vokking up big time with their backline selections. It clearly shows how weak in character Nienaber is .
Let's celebrate the W . As far as future development of the team goes unless he starts playing inform players in their natural positions and not vokking around to include buddies out of position we are not ever going to move away from this dom as vok game plan.

Frans was terrific.

Junkies and Jessie were terrible

[assfly]

I don't want to sound like I'm getting onto Herschel's case now too, but if I'm honest I haven't seen any of the form since his debut.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but perhaps the Bok gameplan just doesn't suit him? When you look at the caliber of 9s playing in the EOYT (Price, White, Youngs, Williams) he just doesn't look like he's there at the moment.

Perhaps another player that has been disadvantaged by the set-up of the season, where he's had so little game time to play himself into form.

[Blake]

Frans Steyn,Nkosi/Fassi and Reinach to start against the Skotte.

Has Nkosi's passport issue been resolved?

Hope so.

Last I heard it was a 6 month process and he's out for the tour and possibly any URC travel.
Thought you maybe had heard something different.

Great opportunity to give Fassi some gametime on the wing IMO. Don't think he has the confidence to play Bok-playmaker 15 like Willie le Roux yet, but give him some gametime at 14 to build his confidence at test level dammit. Hopefully the Kriel sympathy cap at wing will be the last one; he has no future there. He is our backup if something happens to Am (God help us) and nothing more.

[Blake]

I don't want to sound like I'm getting onto Herschel's case now too, but if I'm honest I haven't seen any of the form since his debut.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but perhaps the Bok gameplan just doesn't suit him? When you look at the caliber of 9s playing in the EOYT (Price, White, Youngs, Williams) he just doesn't look like he's there at the moment.

Perhaps another player that has been disadvantaged by the set-up of the season, where he's had so little game time to play himself into form.

Yup; I expressed a similar sentiment on another thread. Right now he is just not the 2019 player we know he can be. He desperately needs some Currie Cup / URC games to get his confidence up and his sharpness back. He looks to be a second or 2 off the pace and at 9 that is an eternity. He doesn't seem to have any time on the ball, so he just kicks as a default to get rid of it. No looking for those snipes that used to be his forte and just not able to yo-yo the ruck tempo the way Faf can.

[assfly]

Yup; I expressed a similar sentiment on another thread. Right now he is just not the 2019 player we know he can be. He desperately needs some Currie Cup / URC games to get his confidence up and his sharpness back. He looks to be a second or 2 off the pace and at 9 that is an eternity. He doesn't seem to have any time on the ball, so he just kicks as a default to get rid of it. No looking for those snipes that used to be his forte and just not able to yo-yo the ruck tempo the way Faf can.

Yes you put it much more eloquently than me!

I fear the same for some of our other fringe players. We're all yelling for Fassi to get a start, but he hasn't played a competitive game of rugby since August and he'll be coming up against some seasoned and battle-hardened opposition.

At least Elton has some gametime under his belt. But I'm starting to think that blooding new players on this tour probably isn't a good idea.

[Blake]

But I'm starting to think that blooding new players on this tour probably isn't a good idea.

It depends on which player, in what position, against which opposition, and who we surround him with.

I'd be comfortable giving Fassi a start at 14 against the Scots, provided he has Am on is inside and Le Roux and Steyn covering his back.
I think that is an environment he can thrive in and a unique opportunity to give him some gametime given that Kolbe and Nkosi would be ahead of him in the pecking order under "normal" circumstances.

Coach might as well use this rare window of opportunity to build some depth at wing. We've never really properly replaced Aphiwe Dyantyi after his doping ban. It's only been Mapimpi, Kolbe and Nkosi as wings...and I think Jessie has proven now that he is not the answer there...even in a pinch.

Wing is such a crucial position in our defensive structure, you want to get as many players comfortable with making the correct reads in game situations as possible. I think that is why Nienaber picked Kriel ahead of Fassi...purely for his familiarity with "the system". I recall how much Nkosi (against Wales), Mapimpi (against the All Blacks) and Dyantyi (against England) struggled at key moments to get used to it; and bit in too soon or hesitated and left massive gaps out wide that were exploited. Kolbe seems to be the only wing in the setup that had a knack for it. So it makes sense why a defense-first coach like Nienaber is a bit apprehensive on bringing in a new wing...but he is going to have to do it eventually.

[Sandstorm]

You’re all missing the vital point: Willemse is our best attacking weapon at 15 and him going off with a HIA so early, threw our attacking plans into disarray.

Hence why we had to resort to Frans kicking, Marx mauling and scraped a 5 point win.

[average joe]

Just point and laugh guys, just point and laugh.

[Blake]

Has Nkosi's passport issue been resolved?

Hope so.

Last I heard it was a 6 month process and he's out for the tour and possibly any URC travel.
Thought you maybe had heard something different.

Okay, seems like Nkosi's passport issue was sorted and he will be joining the Boks ahead of the Scotland test.
Might not be available for selection depending on if he can attend today's training session or not.

Some interesting team rules the Bok Coaches have. I've heard of 2 mentioned during interviews:
1. If you can't practice on the Monday, you can't play on the Saturday
2. If you conceded 3 penalties you get dropped.

#2 is a bit vague, and there seems to be provision made for mitigation depending on the referee report from WR.

[OomStruisbaai]

Know Herschel play well. He can't kick for life. He must get back to the Stormers, play running rugby.

[Blake]

Know Herschel play well. He can't kick for life. He must get back to the Stormers, play running rugby.

If you don't have an all-round game, you can't be a Bok. Simples.

If he want's to keep neglecting that part of his game and only play for the Stormers and win maybe 50% of his matches (if he is lucky) then so be it.
But if he wants to keep being a Bok, he'll need to pull up his socks and fix the weaknesses in his game.
A kicking 9 will always be part of the Bok gameplan whether the fans like it or not.

He needs to get better at deciding when he is going to kick, on executing the kick better, and spotting opportunities to not kick. End of story.
Right now he is kak at all 3 of those.

He was always the solid #2 options behind Faf. Reinach has now gone past him and there are a bunch of quality scrumhalves in Grant Williams, Jaden Henrikse and Sanele Nohamba breathing down his neck.

[OomStruisbaai]

All-round? Only need to box kick all night long .

Herschel will be better from the bench as impact player after the game open up.

Reinach can start. He is more experienced but also don't have the Faf box kicking game.

[Sards]

All-round? Only need to box kick all night long .

Herschel will be better from the bench as impact player after the game open up.

Reinach can start. He is more experienced but also don't have the Faf box kicking game.

Herschel had a really kak pass. He has obviously worked on it. But I reckon it takes a lot of concentration for him to make sure he gets it right. But at least it's improving. He tried on 2 occasions to snipe on the blindside and got tagged both times. So he is sniping. I think he kicks far too deep. That can be rectified. I think he is struggling with confidence.

[OomStruisbaai]

All-round? Only need to box kick all night long .

Herschel will be better from the bench as impact player after the game open up.

Reinach can start. He is more experienced but also don't have the Faf box kicking game.

Herschel had a really kak pass. He has obviously worked on it. But I reckon it takes a lot of concentration for him to make sure he gets it right. But at least it's improving. He tried on 2 occasions to snipe on the blindside and got tagged both times. So he is sniping. I think he kicks far too deep. That can be rectified. I think he is struggling with confidence.

Where and why did you flounce to?

[Sards]

All-round? Only need to box kick all night long .

Herschel will be better from the bench as impact player after the game open up.

Reinach can start. He is more experienced but also don't have the Faf box kicking game.

Herschel had a really kak pass. He has obviously worked on it. But I reckon it takes a lot of concentration for him to make sure he gets it right. But at least it's improving. He tried on 2 occasions to snipe on the blindside and got tagged both times. So he is sniping. I think he kicks far too deep. That can be rectified. I think he is struggling with confidence.

Where and why did you flounce to?

Flounce....wtf are you talking about......just don't have time for inane bullshit.

[average joe]

Herschel had a really kak pass. He has obviously worked on it. But I reckon it takes a lot of concentration for him to make sure he gets it right. But at least it's improving. He tried on 2 occasions to snipe on the blindside and got tagged both times. So he is sniping. I think he kicks far too deep. That can be rectified. I think he is struggling with confidence.

Where and why did you flounce to?

Flounce....wtf are you talking about......just don't have time for inane bullshit.

Inane bullshit is what keeps the internet alive boet. Actually it's what keeps society alive.

[OomStruisbaai]

Where and why did you flounce to?

Flounce....wtf are you talking about......just don't have time for inane bullshit.

Inane bullshit is what keeps the internet alive boet. Actually it's what keeps society alive.

He post the most inane bullshit

[assfly]

Wille and Elton to start

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 70 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 49 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 24 caps, 25 pts (5t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 56 caps, 35 pts (7t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 23 caps, 85 pts (17t)
10 – Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes) – 42 caps, 312 pts (2t, 64c, 57p, 1d)
9 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 19 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen (Ulster) – 59 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 17 caps, 5 pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 61 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 95 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 52 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 46 caps, 45 pts (9t)
1 – Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 7 caps, 0pts

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 44 caps, 50 pts (10t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 29 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 54 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 9 caps, 0 pts
21 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 19 caps, 40pts (8t)
22 – Handré Pollard (Montpellier) – 58 caps, 580 pts (6t, 83c, 124p, 4d)
23 – Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs) – 72 caps, 144pts (11t, 7c, 22p, 3d)

[boere wors]

Wille and Elton to start

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 70 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 49 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 24 caps, 25 pts (5t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 56 caps, 35 pts (7t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 23 caps, 85 pts (17t)
10 – Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes) – 42 caps, 312 pts (2t, 64c, 57p, 1d)
9 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 19 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen (Ulster) – 59 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 17 caps, 5 pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 61 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 95 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 52 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 46 caps, 45 pts (9t)
1 – Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 7 caps, 0pts

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 44 caps, 50 pts (10t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 29 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 54 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 9 caps, 0 pts
21 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 19 caps, 40pts (8t)
22 – Handré Pollard (Montpellier) – 58 caps, 580 pts (6t, 83c, 124p, 4d)
23 – Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs) – 72 caps, 144pts (11t, 7c, 22p, 3d)

I don't know what to say

[Sards]

Its clear to me....they are refusing to start Fassi because all it will take is a third good outing in a row and Damien is gone......they realize it. They have gone out of their way to exclude him. They have really vokked the kid over.......


Done with Nienaber and Rassie

[Blake]

Its clear to me....they are refusing to start Fassi because all it will take is a third good outing in a row and Damien is gone......they realize it. They have gone out of their way to exclude him. They have really vokked the kid over.......


Done with Nienaber and Rassie

Hmmm...this is tricky.

I want to see Fassi get a proper opportunity, but if excluding him gives Sards an aneurysm, I'm getting more and more okay with it.
Fassi needs to take one for the greater good.

[Sandstorm]

Herschel……… I think he kicks far too deep.

No. He doesn’t. His kicks are all too short.

Stop watching highlights exclusively.

[average joe]

Herschel……… I think he kicks far too deep.

No. He doesn’t. His kicks are all too short.

Stop watching highlights exclusively.

Trying to hard to get height. Reinach did the same with the disallowed try. I've seen school kids kick a ball backwards trying to get height.

[Sards]

Herschel……… I think he kicks far too deep.

No. He doesn’t. His kicks are all too short.

Stop watching highlights exclusively.

You are talking shite girl. And vokkof about highlights you twat. I always see you on the match threads.
Maybe we should just agree that his kicks , short and long just are not accurate enough.

Nienaber has explained the Fassi exclusion.
He has totalled the number of minutes played and reckons Fassi has 240 minutes since June.....more than Willemse at 230 and Frans Steyn is on 250 . So thats why Fassi must step back and give Willemse and Frans a chance....

Now I am a little confused about that.....240 minutes devided by 80 minutes equals 3 full games. According to my reckoning Fassi has only played 2 matches for the Boks.....Both of which he scored a try.....2 x 80 equals 160...anyone beg to differ....

[boere wors]

Herschel……… I think he kicks far too deep.

No. He doesn’t. His kicks are all too short.

Stop watching highlights exclusively.

You are talking shite girl. And vokkof about highlights you twat. I always see you on the match threads.
Maybe we should just agree that his kicks , short and long just are not accurate enough.

Nienaber has explained the Fassi exclusion.
He has totalled the number of minutes played and reckons Fassi has 240 minutes since June.....more than Willemse at 230 and Frans Steyn is on 250 . So thats why Fassi must step back and give Willemse and Frans a chance....

Now I am a little confused about that.....240 minutes devided by 80 minutes equals 3 full games. According to my reckoning Fassi has only played 2 matches for the Boks.....Both of which he scored a try.....2 x 80 equals 160...anyone beg to differ....

WTF, did he really say that???

[FalseBayFC]

Fassi's time will come. As much as some of these selections frustrate me, I've come to respect the coaches adherence to continuity. We've been hamstrung often in the past by kneejerk reaction to public pressure.

Remember when we selected David von Hoesslin and Gaffie du Toit in sheet desparation after the Straueli debacle. We're in a much better position than that now.

Experience is everything at this level. Willie and Elton will deliver the goods in Saturday. It might be ugly and awkward but they have the chops to win.

Similarly I think England's hurry to fast track Marcus Smith is premature.

[handyman]

Its clear to me....they are refusing to start Fassi because all it will take is a third good outing in a row and Damien is gone......they realize it. They have gone out of their way to exclude him. They have really vokked the kid over.......


Done with Nienaber and Rassie

I thought you were done with this place? Welcome back flip flopper.

[Sards]

WTF, did he really say that???

I am still trying to puzzle out 240 minutes since June.......


" Its tough to currently get into this side . Aphelle Fassi is on 240 minutes since June , Damien Willemse is on the least with 230 and Frans is on 250 minutes ". Nienaber.

That was the quote....

[assfly]

Was it maybe the SA A game against the Bulls?

[Sards]

Was it maybe the SA A game against the Bulls?

Ah...very clever by Nienaber...throwing in that match which was not an international and doesn't qualify as a Springbok match in the mix...that would be the same as my sons cricket coach telling him to play in a friendly before a tournament against another team from the club and then asking him to sit out to give other players a chance in the tournament.....Nienaber is trying to fool the public and Fassi......Willemse is on 13 matches and 3 starts

[boere wors]

WTF, did he really say that???

I am still trying to puzzle out 240 minutes since June.....

Maybe Heyneke can help with Jacques' counting...